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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/1/2012 1:39:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		You either don't have the necessary lift or the unit's experience is too low is my guess.

Fiddle around with the air settings, maybe that'll do it.



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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/1/2012 1:53:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		minimum experience is 40, the airborne brigade has 50 experience. This seems like a bug, as nothing is happening, I'm not being told anything by the game. And this is a bug that is gonna cost me very dearly

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/1/2012 2:32:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		oh another nice counterattack.

although you fail to encircle the PG it will buy you one more turn. he needs to head back and reestablish the supply lines.

nasty one with this cavalery divisions.:)

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/1/2012 2:42:39 AM   
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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/1/2012 2:54:52 AM   
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Interface Change (Section 5.3.9.3) – To airdrop a unit, now you must go to air transport mode and then left click on the hex containing the airbase and airborne unit. Make sure the airborne unit(s) you wish to drop are selected in the unit bar. Next, shift-left click on a hex near the airfield. This will cause the pick air units mission window to be displayed. Close this window and you will now see the hexes where you may conduct an airdrop lit up, while those that are not possible will be displayed in. Shift-left click on the hex you wish to drop the airborne unit and the pick air units mission window will appear. Due to some issues with the interface, the only way to indicate the valid hexes to airdrop in is to click on a valid hex. If you click on an invalid hex it will not bring up the air window nor will it indicate the valid hexes. This is why we suggest you click somewhere near the airbase. Whenever the air window appears, you can execute the air drop. It is important that you select the airborne unit after you have entered air transport mode (previously the airborne unit was supposed to be selected while still in movement mode).


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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/1/2012 2:56:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		i realy underestemate the movement abilities of this early war russian cavalery.

in my running game with gids i managed to copy some kind of "the historical kiev pocket" (PG1 from D/Z area and PG2 of guderian from gomel area) and thought that i have a stable pocket until from somewhere gids got his cavalery into the action and reopen the pocket.

i have a stable pocket now with 60 or so russian units inside but from first hand experience i know how annoying such a move like you did can be to a german player.:) it causes gray hairs and it costs time which the germans don't have a lot.


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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/1/2012 3:06:06 AM   
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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/1/2012 5:14:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		End of turn, zoomed out picture (haven't offered that one up yet. The direct road to Moscow is protected by our two Guards divisions, triple stacks all along the center. The vulnerable area is Reserve Front, north of Moscow, where its a mess. I managed to sort out our command and control, but its a weak carpet and not much more. Our failed attempt to encircle the entire southern pincer left many stacks of divisions due south, and I can't use them to reinforce the north. Let's hope I don't pay for my failure. Elsewhere, I'm warmimg up to tank brigades. They are the ultimate tarbaby/picket units. The axis can shatter a dozen of them for it to equal one division's worth of men. Rostov is evacuated, the evacuation of Moscow should begin next turn unless Voronezh is threatened. These next two turns are gonna be hell.




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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/1/2012 5:17:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		For the curious,the three western front armies directly in front of the Axis are commanded by Tobulkhin and Malinokvsy, with Rokossovky in reserve. Konev commands Western Front, Zukhov STAVKA.

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/1/2012 5:31:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		My one hope (and I forgot to take an oob screeenshot) is that 821 cooked his armour on this turn. Operational tank numbers dipped from 1400 to 1000 during his turn, and his entire armour force was in the red fuel wise. Hopefully my brigade tarbaby will also help, especially in the Tula area.

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/1/2012 5:34:34 AM   
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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/1/2012 5:44:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		The logistics is and isn't a mess, Axis rail repair being what it is, I checked the rail heads and they are past Vyazma. Still, hopefully my mischief will lead to a turn of cleanup for the Axis. Hopefully that'll be enough. Hopefully.

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/1/2012 5:01:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: notenome

No final positions are coming now. I was asking if the level of detail on the counter attack was overkill, with every air bombardment and detailed casualty reports and such.

EDIT: The Slovakian/panzer stack was unviable. I studied it but wouldn't have been able to get forces with enough mps for a strong deliberate attack. Had it been logistically possible it would have been the best option, I agree


To answer your question, perhaps the bombings were overkill, but the rest of the detail was interesting to see as it brings your public closer to what's happening in the game.

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/1/2012 5:15:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: notenome

I may like to play it fast and loose, but not that much, still I've stripped SW, NW and N bare. He has no armour there to exploit so it's a slow 2 hex retreat all the way.

A few questions:

-With the winter starting to come up, should I start building anything? Sappers? Saving up APs? I need to burn APs to counterattack, so I haven't built up an AP piggy bank.
-I Need more Fronts! Really, when do I get the Caucus Front? Or at least the units. Its murder to see all those units frozen.
-Siberian infantry! I have 4, and I love them. I want to hug them. They hold the 3 main hexes on the direct path to Moscow. I want more. How many do I get?
-What should I do with those tank brigades? I'm just dispersing them around hoping they'll do something in reserve mode. But each has 6-8 tanks, so it seems just a tremendous waste.



Don't spend to much AP's on sorting out C&C at this time. With that I mean keep your fronts and Armies within limits for sure, but don't go re-assigning divs for each attack to avoid the penalty. It's counter productive.
Save AP's for spring 42 if you can, you'll need them for tank Corps, Rifle Corps and SU's and re-attachments.
1. You'll get N-Caucassus, Volkhov and Caucassus shortly. Also Moscow defense zone. You'll have plenty, but the demands will be even more. Spend wisely.
2. I think you get a total of 6 Siberian Divs.
3. What I like to do is stack them all close to Stavka HQ. Then, turn on refit for a dozen or so at a time until they fill up.
When they fill up, assign them to an Airborn HQ and assign a got Armor rating General. Then assign that Corps HQ to a Front. Keep those guys for the persuit if he falls back and stay in contact. Cav is better. Cav & Armor works best. There should be many opportunities to get the brigades involved in hasties. Work them up to as high morale and wins as possible. When you can form Corps, consolidate the highest morale units into a corps, having wins will help towards getting guard status with the Corps. If he spams you with regiments, 3 fresh brigs, can attack by themselves provided he's not strong, has suffered some bombing or the regiment has already retreated.

By the way, keep those Airborn brigs back and put them on refit when you can. They will increase their morale to 55+, combine those units into Guards divs. Guaranteed 4CV (sometimes 5) at full strength and a bit of training.


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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/1/2012 6:18:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm well aware of the value of the ab brigs, but I'm using them as screens and don't have much of an option at the moment, I've stripped the non-moscow non-Rostov sectors to a thread of a threadbare force. Every time I think I can pull them out 821 launches 100 attacks on the Moscow Front and I have to reroute everything that way.

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/1/2012 8:05:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm well aware that you need them now for those tasks. I was referring to the empty brigades arriving in a couple of turns.

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/1/2012 8:35:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well my fears have come true, 821 has blown past Reserve Front. He hasn't encircled Moscow, but he's made the defense very tricky.




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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/1/2012 8:36:56 PM   
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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/1/2012 8:37:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		A large part of Bryansk Front is encircled, but I think I can break it.




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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/1/2012 8:40:36 PM   
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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/1/2012 8:44:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Losses and OOB. Time to plan for a hell for leather defense of Moscow.




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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/1/2012 9:06:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		How many mps does it cost for a brigade to make a deliberate attack over a minor river?

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/1/2012 9:32:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		1.9 million prisoners. He might end the Blitzkrieg with let's say 2.5 million (good numbers)... but still, the Red Army lost much more men and held Moscow and Leningrad

Perhaps the trick is about setting many big tables (or banquets) here and there -but especially along the way to Moscow and Leningrad- for the enemy cannibals to lose one turn here and another turn there And when I say big tables I mean it (by the millions)... So forget any sophistication, just lay the tables!

And the hysterical German lobby still dares to complain! LOL RELOL

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/1/2012 9:34:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's the small victories that make it all worthwhile as the soviets. We open the Bryansk pocket with counterattacks from within and without. 4x air bombardments, 4x sucidal hasty attacks followed by the main assault. He'll reseal the pocket, but that's his last clear turn.




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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/1/2012 10:00:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's STAVKA's Moscow Defensive Plan:

Defensive zone 1-yellow - a picket, taking advantage of the forts and not much else.

Defensive zone 2- green - stronger, infantry based defense, meant to protect from a deep isolating maneuver.

Defensive zone 3- red- tough as nails infantry stacks. 821 hasn't managed to break one of my doom stacks yet. I hope they don't fail me now.

We have to protect Moscow from isolation for one turn. That's it.




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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/1/2012 10:30:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think you are placing too much of your strength in the wrong place here, Notenome, he very plainly isn't going for a frontal assault on Moscow.

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/2/2012 12:40:13 AM   
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Here is the disposition atm. I can still change things somewhat so feel free to comment.

What I'm thinking is that the next turn is the last clear turn. Now if 821 pushes forward, he's so far from his railhead that he might end up isolating his entire panzer force. So either he encircles Moscow now or he has to pull back, no? Plus he has to fight his way to the motorized division and its pretty much all forested terrain. I don't know, this could be a catastrophe or the turning point.




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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/2/2012 12:58:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Never mind, once again, I am confused by your before and after screens. I keep thinking your planning screenies are your final dispositions.

I think what you've done here is pretty good. Just watch out for your flank down south, you do not have the Oka well covered.



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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/2/2012 1:20:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		I really need to start being clearer about these before turn things.

Here's our dispositions south of the Oka. A glorified checkerboard. But if the Axis have the mps to cross a major rive and exploit it, then the game is borked and I wouldn't be able to defend anyways.




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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/2/2012 1:31:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Something I wanted to note, was that analyzing some of the combats north of Moscow, the axis were beginning with CV values about equal to the soviet divs but by the end those values nose dived to a fraction for the Sovs, it seems awfully strange. Is this bad generals?

Having my final CV value be divided by 20 is rather rough. And these are STAVKA units, with Zukhov in command. Baffles me.






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