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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/20/2012 1:02:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here we have the southern conundrum: 821 has placed all the mountain units in the South, with the two Axis mountain divisions counterattacking everything in sight north of the Donetz Basin and the three Rumanian brigades in reserve mode stalling my attacks. So instead of going through with the old plan for Operation Nicholas (Which was what every Soviet player tries to do: Crush the Axis on the sea of Azov), I'm going to try to shoot through the gap between the mountain concentrations and drive harder on Kharkov, which seems to be fairly undefended.

Old plan in Orange, New in Red.




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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/20/2012 2:29:29 AM   
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Axis losses have picked up sharply, in large part due to the rout of the Romanians and the dubious distinction of 292nd division being the first Axis division to surrender. More could have been encircled or locked down this turn but the Axis got holds at the worse possible places. TOEs for artillery and brigades have been reduced, hopefully this will lead to an increase in the Red Army's readiness (most of our divisions are unready at the moment). Overall strength increased from last turn, so it seems we're finally getting those rifle squads in. Also no brigades were harmed during the making of this latest AAR. Glancing and W/L record, we should get 3-4 more guards next turn. (There are divisions with 9-0, 10-0 records that haven't been promoted for some reason). Axis losses combined with the retaking of Rostov and Tula make this a fairly reasonable turn, and the situation in Moscow looks to be completely untenable for the Axis.




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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/20/2012 3:52:36 AM   
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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/20/2012 3:55:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Why is that? I've always been curious, why do finnish units get thrashed in 42? I'm planning on transfering Volkhov Front there in the mud once the Moscow situation is sorted out.

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/20/2012 4:12:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Gah, a second after I clicked the send turn button I remember I forgot to set my high CV/morale frontline units on refit, I hate it when I remember something right after I send the turn. Pretty much guarantees unready divisions will get all our reinforcements, and nothing for the guards.

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/20/2012 5:52:46 AM   
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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/20/2012 6:01:25 AM   
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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/20/2012 10:02:31 AM   
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Overloading fronts is inevitable, so you might as well pick one to burn already and allow some more units to fight without the STAVKA penalty.

The CP cap will change in 4/42 (F: 81, A: 18), so 4 A/F is minimum.

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/20/2012 5:55:40 PM   
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Ding ding ding! The Wehrmacht gives us a Christmas present by reaching the one million casualty mark. And a third of those are permanent losses, which is a better rate than normal. Meanwhile rifle division production continues to ramp up, with a total of 7400 new squads built. A month ago we were building a tenth of this. As a result, readiness has improves somewhat (approximately 40 more divisions are ready now, most divisions are no longer unready). STAVKA overloads so Shaposhikov takes the helm and Zukhov gets to ply his wares on Bryansk Front.

Oddly enough the Germans seem to have stopped running in the center. Suits me just fine.

A special commemorative Christmas carol to celebrate the occasion:

Open clear hexes and zero fort nazis,
low armor values and unready divisions,
emerging pockets tied by brig ZOCs,
these are a few of my favorite things.

Low morale refits and red supply indicators,
want to drop paras and but can't find instructions,
Arty eats arms but contributes 0 CVs,
these are a few of my favorite things.

When a mountain div bites, or the Finn stings,
When I'm a-ragequittin',
I simply remember my favorite things,
and wait for the end of turn processin'






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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/20/2012 7:19:41 PM   
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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/20/2012 8:24:04 PM   
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That said, putting Shaposhnikov there for the time being isn't a bad idea. You need the admin more than the initiative rating right now. But switch them back after the blizzard is over and you need defensive reserves again.



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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/20/2012 8:27:55 PM   
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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/20/2012 8:29:43 PM   
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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/20/2012 10:41:12 PM   
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Why is that? I've always been curious, why do finnish units get thrashed in 42? I'm planning on transfering Volkhov Front there in the mud once the Moscow situation is sorted out.


Finnish units past the halt line have their morale slowly degrade. I have seen Finnish divisions CV fall as low as 2 or 3 with no combat when manning the front in the way shown here.

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/20/2012 10:54:46 PM   
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Why is that? I've always been curious, why do finnish units get thrashed in 42? I'm planning on transfering Volkhov Front there in the mud once the Moscow situation is sorted out.


They take a morale hit below the no attack line IIRC. I hit them hard during the first blizzard in my current game. IIRC, their replacement rate isn't all that great either.

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/20/2012 11:20:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is the scene at Moscow, (midturn but I don't have anything that occupy those vacated hexes). I really don't understand what 821 is doing here. There's a panzerarmee's worth of assets that are coming very perilously close to encirclement. Considering my divisions interfere with supplies in the hexes around them, I don't know how much these units are getting. Either he pulls them out immediately or he runs the risk of suffering a catastrophic loss. Is there something I'm missing here?




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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/20/2012 11:28:27 PM   
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Status: online 		He needs to pull them out. He already made the decision to run everywhere else and that by itself dictates the need for the Moscow garrison to run as well in order to maintain the integrity of his line.

These guys in Mscow would be far more dangerous out in the open, split into regiments and placed in reserve mode, backstopping the infantry. Moscow is just a deathtrap. He did the right thing in Rostov, for example (also a deathtrap), and should do the exact same here.

As I said uptopic, if he was serious about taking the place for real, he should have double enveloped it and taken a good deal of real estate east of it to give himself room for maneuver; this would have have likely killed a major chunk of the Red Army in the process.

What he instead did was a raid; and what's worse, he doesn't seem to realize that it was a raid. The position was and remains untenable in the fashion he took it.

I don't think his Moscow grab right before the blizzard made a lick of sense even as a raid; the factories were already gone. Now he appears to be tempted to hold on to the place.

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/20/2012 11:33:48 PM   
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Is there something I'm missing here?


Yes.

Either

a) he's drank Optimist Absynth and is waiting for a snow turn to encircle part of your forces [?]

or

b) he's drank good old Absynth

Little does he know both absynths are one and the same sinister drink...

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/20/2012 11:37:04 PM   
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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/20/2012 11:39:40 PM   
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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/21/2012 4:52:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, 821 had been digging forts with regiments behind the lines. Our cavalry made contact this turn, and wasted no time and blowing a hole right through:




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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/21/2012 8:17:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Reference Map for the first month of the Winter counteroffensives. Solviet soldiers have taken to calling the German fortified line the "Baba Yaga Line", as it only scares children. Dishonorable mention goes to Kalinin Front, who has been completely stalled in its advance. I actually contemplating disbanding all its divisions as punishment.




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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/21/2012 8:29:25 AM   
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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/21/2012 8:32:06 AM   
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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/21/2012 12:13:09 PM   
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You lost Moscow, but you should be able to retake it and possibly have a good blizzard.

Your numbers look good and moral ok. Your manpower output will be low for 42, so if you can keep him from getting any major pockets you should be in good shape from 43-45.

Dispite Moscows loss I would say you still have a slight advantage. as of now.

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/21/2012 3:56:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is a pretty hard fought game on both sides, though I suppose a lot will depend on how many (if any) panzer divisions get trapped in Mosocw). Due to supply interdiction from adjacent hexes, the mobile divisions there are all in the red supply wise.

Losses and OOB




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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/21/2012 5:06:13 PM   
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-- OOB figures --


-Axis (not counting Axis minors)-

Axis overall strength has dropped by 402,650 and effective strength has dropped by 554,747 men.
Axis have 3922 less guns total and have 3759 less guns operational.
Axis have 119 less tanks total and 99 less tanks operational. (Axis tank strength picked up last turn, reinforcement?)
Axis have GAINED 169 aircraft and have 18 MORE aircraft operational. (??)

-Soviet-

Soviet overall strength has INCREASED by 145,931 and effective strength has INCREASED by 95,304 men.
Soviets have 6903 MORE guns total and have 5735 MORE guns operational.
Soviets have 289 MORE tanks total and 96 MORE tanks operational.
Soviets have GAINED 685 aircraft and have 419 MORE aircraft operational.


-- Losses --


And now the weird part
Axis losses (including minors as there's no way to differentiate) total 265,980 men, with only 28,535 permanent losses (killed and captured) and 237,445 men disabled.

Soviet losses total 221,075 men, with 137,975 permanent losses and 83,100 men disabled.

Axis losses do not match up to the OOB reduction over the same period. Either this is the losses screen being wonky (probably) or a massive off map of Axis divisions (which I don't recall happening during the winter crisis).


--Superiority figures (inc. minors)--


Soviets have a 1.113:1 numerical superiority in manpower.
Axis have a 1.079:1 numerical superiority in guns
Soviets have 1.592:1 numerical superiority in tanks
Soviets have 1.897:1 numerical superiority in aircraft


--Equipment comparisons (on paper)--

Germany has 1 gun per 95 men on the front
Rumania has 1 gun per 116 men on the front
Hungary has 1 gun per 131 men on the front
Italy has 1 gun per 151 men on the front
Finland has 1 gun per 94 men on the front
Slovakia has 1 gun per 202 men on the front

Soviet Union has 1 gun per 114 men on the front

This really shows just how horribly ill equipped the Italians are for war in the eastern front and conversely how well equipped Finland's troop are (best on the Eastern Front!).

The Soviet Union already has a heavy weapon shortage, and this will only worsen as we prioritize the construction of Rifle squads over guns. There are 4 000 more rifle squads on the front then when December began, and this is the consequence of it.

Hope you enjoyed this rather large and cumbersome post.

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/21/2012 5:12:19 PM   
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Status: online 		The blizzard does wonky things to the Axis OB and the drop in strength is to some extent an illusion. Much of it is just being disabled due to the weather and not enemy action. By February this starts bouncing back rather dramatically and going into March the OB will zoom past 3 million again, barring some kind of total Axis crack up.

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/21/2012 5:22:29 PM   
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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/21/2012 5:25:29 PM   
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Status: online 		You probably have. The best way to count battle losses is to ignore the OB screen and track individual battle results. (The battle report screen in the Commander's Report is best for this.) Which is incredibly tedious. The OB is kind of flaky.

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