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41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs bigbaba (axis) no bigbab... - 5/10/2012 2:04:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's good to be back, how are you fine gentlemen today?

I'm going to be playing two GCs as sovs, this is the first one. My last AAR was against ComradeP, but we quit it due to RL issues and the game was very unbalanced at the time.

It's been a while so expect many mistakes on my part, should be fun.

I've invited bigbaba to post a message, best of luck to him, may we have a long and dynamic game.

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs bigbaba (axis) no bi... - 5/10/2012 3:18:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		And welcome to amateur hour. As I said before its been a long time. I'm having difficulty evacuating factores. I have toggled industry display and rail mode, I click on top right name of the factories but then I don't have the blue arrows allowing me to relocate factories. Is there some turn 1 prohibition to factory evacuation? Or am I forgetting to do something?

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs bigbaba (axis) no bi... - 5/10/2012 3:21:39 PM   
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Kind regards,

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs bigbaba (axis) no bi... - 5/10/2012 3:25:58 PM   
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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs bigbaba (axis) no bi... - 5/10/2012 3:51:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well here are Axis turn 1 moves, notice the extensive use of regiments down south.






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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs bigbaba (axis) no bi... - 5/10/2012 5:50:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, that went better than I'd guessed. All pockets were resupplied. About 70% of the North was evacuated by sea. Two succesful counterattacks against panzer regiments.

I have roughly 50 APs left, and intend to use them to disband stuff. Any suggestions? Trying not to spend too many AP points on CC as I'll need it latter for corps etc.




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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs bigbaba (axis) no bi... - 5/10/2012 6:46:50 PM   
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Would be helpful going forward to toggle control and forts on...looks like he left a lot of potential pockets open in the South so that should be good for you.

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs bigbaba (axis) no bi... - 5/10/2012 7:59:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Regarding Heavy Industry: I evacuated a few (4?) because...they do not matter much with the current patch..but what if they do become more important in a future one? A GC game lasts at least a year and one never knows :).
Let's call it insurance...

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs bigbaba (axis) no bi... - 5/10/2012 8:01:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Also, do not disband too many Corps HQs, they are manageable and they go away by themselves by turn 5-6. Use the APs to replace the worst Front and Air leaders.

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs bigbaba (axis) no bi... - 5/10/2012 8:29:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Axis progress on turn 1 in the north looks a little disappointing; Riga was taken but not much else near the Daugava river. May not mean that much in the long term, who knows.

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs bigbaba (axis) no bi... - 5/11/2012 5:10:42 AM   
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In the North the entire Panzer group is isolated. I've yet to see a deep penetration doctrine work for the Axis, btw.






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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs bigbaba (axis) no bi... - 5/11/2012 5:12:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		In the Center I'm the weakest, the panzers have reached (but not crossed the Dnepr. Minsk is resupplied but I can't quite manage to get the rest of the pocket opened (10 miles... grr).






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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs bigbaba (axis) no bi... - 5/11/2012 5:15:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		In the South there is no progress as the pocket is resealed. I came within one failed counterattack of relieving the pocket, sent one romanian division running away and found an unprotected RR team with a marauding sec regiment. Overall this is the strongest sector. Notice reserves building a line on the Dnepr.




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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs bigbaba (axis) no bi... - 5/11/2012 2:04:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		And that's game, unfortunately. Bigbaba resigned on turn 3, citing the encirclement of Panzergroup 1. Happens.

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs bigbaba (axis) no bi... - 5/11/2012 5:10:42 PM   
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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs bigbaba (axis) no bi... - 5/11/2012 6:05:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ah, I wouldn't be so harsh. With the Axis you're always on a knifes edge. Push too hard, get cut off. Push too soft, you're damning yourself. Push too wide you're dispersing your forces and lacking focus. Push too narrow and you're not exploiting enough or not taking enough territory. The game (as was history) punishes Axis mistakes more harshly than Soviet ones.

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs bigbaba (axis) no bi... - 5/12/2012 9:21:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Perhaps this part of the game works like it should. You leave a 60 mile gap between the back end of your spearhead and the front of your infantry shuffling forward to support them; is it supposed to be safe?

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs bigbaba (axis) no bi... - 5/12/2012 9:34:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Normally, it is not a problem for the Axis to either leave flank protection or make sure that you leave broad enough swathes of flipped territory that the odd Soviet division will not cause cut off spearheads. I would say that the Axis player appears to have been sloppy with his flank protection in this game. But as has been pointed out above, as the Axis, you can't really afford any mistakes, while as the Soviet, you can survive mistakes.

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs bigbaba (axis) no bi... - 5/12/2012 9:40:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Is that necessarily bad game design, or just actual circumstances of the war? ( if need be this can moved to some other thread in a different section, in the case of AAR highjacking )

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs bigbaba (axis) no bi... - 5/12/2012 9:47:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: randallw

Is that necessarily bad game design, or just actual circumstances of the war? ( if need be this can moved to some other thread in a different section, in the case of AAR highjacking )


I wouldn't say it's bad design, it is the way it is (and was). And maybe I was a bit categorical, you can survive some mistakes as the axis, and as the Soviets, big mistakes will damn you, but in general, I think the game is more forgiving when you are playing the Soviets.

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs bigbaba (axis) no bi... - 5/12/2012 7:16:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Speaking of mistakes, in my other game (have to get that AAR in gear, I've made two really bad mistakes. 821 mannaged to cross the Dnepr on turn 2 near smolensk and I forgot the all or nothing rule when evaccing AFVs, so I just blew up a lot of my Leningrad production (though thankfully not the KV factory, think it was Yak-4s and BA-1s

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs bigbaba (axis) no bi... - 5/12/2012 8:28:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		For future reference there is no point in evacing the BA-10 factory, actually its counter productive, cuz all things given u will lose production. It stops producing in Nov IIRC and doesnt upgrade to any thing. So might as well let it produce as long as it can in Leningrad.
If its the Yak 6, u have unknowingly done the right thing. Since when u evac just 1 tank/aircraft factory, it will be repaired in around 33 turns and would take another 3 turns to max out production. So its done by turn 36/37 and as good as if u had evaced all 4, by april 42.
Since it doesnt enter production until dec 42, there is actually no point in evacing more than 1.

Guess i should write an optimized evac guide some day....

Hope it helps,

Rasmus

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs bigbaba (axis) no bi... - 5/12/2012 9:04:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		yes Im suffering some serious growing (or remembering) pains vs 821. Him crossing the Dnepr on turn 2 really put the west in a tough spot. Here's hoping I can get some lucky mud or something.

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs bigbaba (axis) no bi... - 5/13/2012 6:05:57 AM   
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For future reference there is no point in evacing the BA-10 factory, actually its counter productive, cuz all things given u will lose production. It stops producing in Nov IIRC and doesnt upgrade to any thing. So might as well let it produce as long as it can in Leningrad.
If its the Yak 6, u have unknowingly done the right thing. Since when u evac just 1 tank/aircraft factory, it will be repaired in around 33 turns and would take another 3 turns to max out production. So its done by turn 36/37 and as good as if u had evaced all 4, by april 42.
Since it doesnt enter production until dec 42, there is actually no point in evacing more than 1.


As far as I can determine, the only way to find these things is by checking every single fastory via the productions screen. AFAK there is no way of seeing the start and stop dates via the city production screen, which I find extremely annoying. The cumbersome checking via production and then back to the city screen to evacuate just drags things down. Or is there a smarter way that I have not found?

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ORIGINAL: Walloc
Guess i should write an optimized evac guide some day....


Yes, please, that would be helpful. You have obviously spent some effort on studying the subject. Me, I mostly just evacuate what's there, beacause it is just too awkward to check.

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs bigbaba (axis) no bi... - 5/13/2012 10:47:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Tarhunnas


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ORIGINAL: Walloc

For future reference there is no point in evacing the BA-10 factory, actually its counter productive, cuz all things given u will lose production. It stops producing in Nov IIRC and doesnt upgrade to any thing. So might as well let it produce as long as it can in Leningrad.
If its the Yak 6, u have unknowingly done the right thing. Since when u evac just 1 tank/aircraft factory, it will be repaired in around 33 turns and would take another 3 turns to max out production. So its done by turn 36/37 and as good as if u had evaced all 4, by april 42.
Since it doesnt enter production until dec 42, there is actually no point in evacing more than 1.


As far as I can determine, the only way to find these things is by checking every single fastory via the productions screen. AFAK there is no way of seeing the start and stop dates via the city production screen, which I find extremely annoying. The cumbersome checking via production and then back to the city screen to evacuate just drags things down. Or is there a smarter way that I have not found?


No smarter way sorry, Tarhunnas. I sat down studied it in depth, made some conclusion based on that and is then relying on a pretty good memory.

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Guess i should write an optimized evac guide some day....


quote:


Yes, please, that would be helpful. You have obviously spent some effort on studying the subject. Me, I mostly just evacuate what's there, beacause it is just too awkward to check.


Ok, ill put it high on my list of things to do.

Rasmus

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs bigbaba (axis) no bi... - 5/21/2012 8:42:42 PM   
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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs bigbaba (axis) no bi... - 5/21/2012 8:45:10 PM   
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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs bigbaba (axis) no bi... - 5/21/2012 8:47:19 PM   
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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs bigbaba (axis) no bi... - 5/21/2012 8:49:04 PM   
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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs bigbaba (axis) no bi... - 5/21/2012 8:50:50 PM   
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