Matrix Games

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ORIGINAL: michaelm

It does cost to change leaders.

One option could have been to allow a first time change of TF leader on creation of TF, but I believe that there too many ways to get around that from memory. Time to counter all the possibilities at the time was not warranted as more important things needed to be fixed, or worked on.

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ORIGINAL: jamesm

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ORIGINAL: michaelm

It does cost to change leaders.

One option could have been to allow a first time change of TF leader on creation of TF, but I believe that there too many ways to get around that from memory. Time to counter all the possibilities at the time was not warranted as more important things needed to be fixed, or worked on.

That would be a good idea to "a first time change of TF leader on creation of TF", because if you are playing as the allies, latter in the war when you are creating a lot of task forces you will run out of pp and as a result you may have sub standard commanders. You do have to disband task forces on a regular basis to allow for repairs to the various ships.

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ORIGINAL: Crackaces

I thought the most senior person becomes the TF leader by default unless otherwise specified .. so I have to keep a TF artifically intact in order to keep my competent commanders? That rewards "Hidden Knowledge" ....

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ORIGINAL: USS America

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ORIGINAL: Crackaces

I thought the most senior person becomes the TF leader by default unless otherwise specified .. so I have to keep a TF artifically intact in order to keep my competent commanders? That rewards "Hidden Knowledge" ....

From what I've seen, when forming a new TF the most senior ship captain becomes the TF leader by default. If you spend PP's to assign a different one, they remain in command of that TF until it is disbanded, destroyed in combat, or they are manually replaced.

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ORIGINAL: USS America

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ORIGINAL: Crackaces

I thought the most senior person becomes the TF leader by default unless otherwise specified .. so I have to keep a TF artifically intact in order to keep my competent commanders? That rewards "Hidden Knowledge" ....

From what I've seen, when forming a new TF the most senior ship captain becomes the TF leader by default. If you spend PP's to assign a different one, they remain in command of that TF until it is disbanded, destroyed in combat, or they are manually replaced.

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ORIGINAL: USS America
You do not have to disband a TF to allow the ships to repair. You can transfer them to a port, from the Add/Remove ships panel, leaving as few as 1 ship in the TF to "preserve" it, and also keep the leader assigned to it. Then, when you are ready to go out and fight some more, don't create a new TF. Transfer ships into the existing TF, with the good leader already assigned and go to war!

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ORIGINAL: jmalter

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ORIGINAL: USS America
You do not have to disband a TF to allow the ships to repair. You can transfer them to a port, from the Add/Remove ships panel, leaving as few as 1 ship in the TF to "preserve" it, and also keep the leader assigned to it. Then, when you are ready to go out and fight some more, don't create a new TF. Transfer ships into the existing TF, with the good leader already assigned and go to war!

this is a good method, but beware of a problem:
the game will auto-change the TF type if it can. for example, say your CVTF consists of 2 CV, 2 CA, & 6 DD - and all of them have some minimal damage. you get back to port, you'll want to clear that damage, refuel, re-arm & get back to sea ASAP.

but if you detach both CVs from the TF, the TF will become a SurfTF (w/ a CV-style leader) & you won't be able to xfer your CVs back into it after they repair. looks to me like you have to leave a CV in the TF while 1 repairs, then xfer the repaired CV back in before removing the 2nd CV for its turn at the repair facilities.

so there's a price to be paid for keeping that TF commander - it'll take longer to complete your turn-around in port. not all TF types suffer from this prob, but be wary!

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ORIGINAL: Dan Nichols
You can transfer them back. Change the TF type to Escort, which allows any ship to be attached. Then move the CVs back into the TF and if necessary, change the TF type back to Air Combat.

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ORIGINAL: Charbroiled

Personally, I never quite understood the need to spend pp's in order to change leaders of any type of unit.

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ORIGINAL: USS America

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ORIGINAL: jamesm

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ORIGINAL: michaelm

It does cost to change leaders.

One option could have been to allow a first time change of TF leader on creation of TF, but I believe that there too many ways to get around that from memory. Time to counter all the possibilities at the time was not warranted as more important things needed to be fixed, or worked on.

That would be a good idea to "a first time change of TF leader on creation of TF", because if you are playing as the allies, latter in the war when you are creating a lot of task forces you will run out of pp and as a result you may have sub standard commanders. You do have to disband task forces on a regular basis to allow for repairs to the various ships.

Ah, but there's the solution!

You do not have to disband a TF to allow the ships to repair. You can transfer them to a port, from the Add/Remove ships panel, leaving as few as 1 ship in the TF to "preserve" it, and also keep the leader assigned to it. Then, when you are ready to go out and fight some more, don't create a new TF. Transfer ships into the existing TF, with the good leader already assigned and go to war!

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

Except this doesn't work for CV TFs if you transfer out the CV. The TF type is automatically changed to Surface Combat and then the CV can't be tranferred back in. Otherwise it's a perfectly viably tactic that I use constantly.


If you let the game engine choose a commander when you create the TF at least sometimes it might choose a decent one and relieve you of the cost of assigning one yourself. I always let it choose one rather than not so I might get lucky enough to save some PPs.

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ORIGINAL: jmalter

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ORIGINAL: USS America
You do not have to disband a TF to allow the ships to repair. You can transfer them to a port, from the Add/Remove ships panel, leaving as few as 1 ship in the TF to "preserve" it, and also keep the leader assigned to it. Then, when you are ready to go out and fight some more, don't create a new TF. Transfer ships into the existing TF, with the good leader already assigned and go to war!

this is a good method, but beware of a problem:
the game will auto-change the TF type if it can. for example, say your CVTF consists of 2 CV, 2 CA, & 6 DD - and all of them have some minimal damage. you get back to port, you'll want to clear that damage, refuel, re-arm & get back to sea ASAP.

but if you detach both CVs from the TF, the TF will become a SurfTF (w/ a CV-style leader) & you won't be able to xfer your CVs back into it after they repair. looks to me like you have to leave a CV in the TF while 1 repairs, then xfer the repaired CV back in before removing the 2nd CV for its turn at the repair facilities.

so there's a price to be paid for keeping that TF commander - it'll take longer to complete your turn-around in port. not all TF types suffer from this prob, but be wary!