From: Jackson Tn
Only in a marginal way. I am ready for the attacks this will bring, but here goes. The Soviet Union defeated Germany. Utterly and completely.
This is a common fallacy being propagated by historians with Marxist biases. Without US & British air supremacy, Axis oil production would have sustained a stalemate on the Russian front. Point being no belligerent could have beaten the Axis all alone & nobody did. The war was a team effort from beginning to end.
Ohhhh come on! The Marxist historians know too well that the German army was already in deeeeep sh*t in December 1941. Not a single british bomb had been dropped on oil fields yet and USA was not even at war.
You stated it better than I did. The Germans were screwed by Hitler's diversion from a direct assault on Moscow, to the Kiev operations. The Russians were beginning to launch coordinated and determined attacks during these weeks. Between June 22, 1941 and December 31, 1941 Germany suffered about 200,000 dead/missing and 590,000 wounded!! IN 28 weeks the Germans suffered 790,000 casualties. That was before ANY real western aid reached Russia. Furthermore, this was a casualty rate of about 20%. It is not disrespectful to America or England to say Russia beat the Germans. The United States destroyed the Japanese and it would be a similar false argument to say, that without the Russian declaration of war on Japan, America could not have won that war. So why do Westerners feel the need to insist Russia could not go it alone? I have never understood this fear of admitting the West won the Pacific and Russia beat Germany.
And b4 anyone smashes me let me give the required statement: America is the greatest country in the world(for the moment). Hey, everyone in the world wants to come here, so it can't be too bad.
< Message edited by parusski -- 5/8/2012 12:46:18 AM >
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