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RE: Fun with Alternative Military Organization - 5/5/2012 11:37:42 AM   
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Mech Infantry do not use the Carl Gustov nor the 60mm mortar........they have 120mm or 4.2" mounted on M113 tracks. Now a days it is the AT4 and the Javelin for AT firepower on the dismounts. But Mech mainly rely on the Brads for AT firepower.

Most Mech infantry do not have designated marksmen assigned. Not in the traditional sense anyway.........why have a sniper rifle when I have a Bradley close by with a 25mm and thermals. You will find that most have M16/M4 and M249 as weapons with at least 1 M203 per squad.


Obviously I'm no expert, this is all just for the fun of playing around with unit organization, however, going back to designated marksmen. You say that they are not needed because of the M-2 Bradley's capabilities close at hand. Doesn't the same also apply to just about any weapon being used by the dismounted element? Why have M136s when the Bradley has the much more capable TOW system? Why have the M-249 when the Bradley can lay much more effective fire with the 25mm? It would sort of seem that the purpose of the small arms carried by the dismounted element is to fight in situations where their IFV's weapons can't as easily reach, places like urban environments or where cover is thick. In such situations the dismounted element might be able to deploy itself better against the enemy than a big clunky IFV. I would think that a designated marksman would come in handy if the enemy is tucked away someplace where only the dismounted element can effectively reach him. Also, the Bradley's 25mm is not exactly a precision sniper rifle. I would think a well aimed sniper round would serve a purpose even for the Bradley team.

Obviously the US Army knows a lot more about mechanized combat than I do but I wonder if just because the Army does something in one way, that way is always the best way to do things. I'm sure even the US Army can occasionally outfit their troops better than it does. Plus occasionally things the Army does I know are due to factors like budget constraints or even politics when congress foists a weapons system on them which they don't want becuase Senator Z's nephew happens to work for Northrop Grumman or something. Then there is always the possiblity that generals fighting their last battle don't see the utility in something which might actually be a good idea. Think of Billy Mitchell and the airplane. Some in the military thought Mitchell was crazy talking up the capabilities of airpower.

But most importantly if the TO&E for the Army is already perfect, that would take all the fun out of coming up with alternative TO&Es.

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RE: Fun with Alternative Military Organization - 5/5/2012 1:45:04 PM   
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So here's the latest organization for the mech infantry platoon. Took out half of the designated marksmen and the sniper team, leaving just 2 designated marksmen for the platoon. The addition of M-16 riflemen in place of the DMs will allow the riflemen to act as assistants for either the M-249 or the Carl Gustav (Yes I'm still fixated on the CG ).




For the weapons platoon, I eliminated the 60mm mortars but left the LMGs and ATM teams. The LMG team is kept at three but the ATM team is reduced to 2 men, hopefully allowing for more ammo stowage in their vehicle. Also the teams are split now into two squads of 1 LMG and 1 ATM team each in a single IFV. This way a weapons squad can be attached to up to two of the companies platoons for additional support. The weapons platoon command vehicle also carries a single M-107 LRSR team instead of having a LR sniper team in each platoon.




Finally here is the Mechanized infantry company in Close Combat terms, broken down into teams as they would appear in the game. Basically the company is broken into 43 teams, including the Bradley IFVs. The 2 designated marksmen in each platoon have been split between two of the fire teams of each platoon. So two fireteams in each platoon consist of 5 men instead of 4 including one DM a piece.




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RE: Fun with Alternative Military Organization - 5/6/2012 1:23:49 AM   
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Disregarding for a moment what the army ACTUALLY does, how do others think my alternative organization of an infantry company would work out? Are there any obvious flaws or essential elements missing? How well or poorly might such an organization function in the real world if it were applied?

Thanks.

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RE: Fun with Alternative Military Organization - 5/7/2012 4:06:23 PM   
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Here's my latest confabulation of military organization. The basic infantry platoon as fielded by Gary's Army.




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RE: Fun with Alternative Military Organization - 5/7/2012 7:15:23 PM   
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Inspired by nate25's idea of the MRAP as transport, here is the Gary Childress brigade motorized infantry company.




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RE: Fun with Alternative Military Organization - 5/7/2012 7:45:59 PM   
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They're amazing vehicles, and I can attest to the quality.

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RE: Fun with Alternative Military Organization - 5/7/2012 10:00:18 PM   
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This discussion about alternate AT weapons for a mechanized platoon made me think of BILL 2 ATGW. I am sure that a platoon that use Bradley would have limited (no?) use for BILL 2 but I curious on what you think about this weapon system.

I found this movie on youtube where they test BILL 2 and it seems decent enough. But how does it compare to other AT weapon systems? For me it looks like an ideal AT component in a motorized platoon. Maybe it could be included in the Gary Childress motorized infantry company?

(Bill = Bofors, Infantry, Light and Lethal)

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RE: Fun with Alternative Military Organization - 5/8/2012 1:05:51 AM   
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Looks pretty "light and lethal". I wonder how it compares to the Javelin?

EDIT: BILL looks like it's wire guided, the Javelin is supposed to be fire and forget.

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RE: Fun with Alternative Military Organization - 5/8/2012 2:34:09 AM   
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Here's a new improved Infantry Company. Forgot to include a platoon HQ section including the FOs. Don't want my men wandering around the battlefield aimlessly wondering what to do without fire support.

So I had to get rid of the two designated marksmen and one of the LMG teams in the platoon weapons squad I had. Now the weapons squad and the platoon HQ are integrated.





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RE: Fun with Alternative Military Organization - 5/8/2012 4:49:12 AM   
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The diminutive Light Infantry Company, designed for rapid deployment anywhere in the world at a moment's notice. Note the squad anit-armor specialist can work with either the Carl Gustav or the Javelin ATM, the CG would be stowed in the squad second humvee. The Javelin could be mounted and fired from the vehicle or dismounted and taken into the field. The company weapons squad consists of a mortar section with 3 M-224 60mm Mortars.




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