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ORIGINAL: nate25

Mr. Childress,

How about: One four-man fire team (M240B) AFV-1
One four-man fire team (M249) AFV-2
One two-man team (Karl Gustav, AT-4, whatever time period you're planning) AFV-3
One two-man team (Barrett) AFV-3
One two-man team (Stinger) AFV-4
One two-man team (FO) AFV-4
Spread your CO/PLTSGT and other specialists out among your AFVs.

I'm trying to build teams around weapon systems.

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ORIGINAL: nate25
Maybe current US Army TOE is best. They know a thing or two we don't.

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ORIGINAL: nate25

Where did you get the info for the 60mm mortar?

I like how you remembered the M14 in the FT.

Not Karl Gustav but maybe M136 LAW instead?

And you still fitted an M107 team in. Nice.

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ORIGINAL: Gary Childress

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ORIGINAL: nate25

Where did you get the info for the 60mm mortar?

I like how you remembered the M14 in the FT.

Not Karl Gustav but maybe M136 LAW instead?

And you still fitted an M107 team in. Nice.

For the mortar I came across a post by someone in another forum who included the 60mm in his company weapons platooon. Seems like a useful addition:

http://council.smallwarsjournal.com/showthread.php?t=4550&page=3

As far as the Karl Gustav, it is supposed to be considerably more expensive than the M136 which is a disposable weapon, however, I like the fact that it is reloadable and there is a plethora of ammo types for it which can be used in various roles, anti-tank, bunker killer, anti-personel. It seems reasonable to me to assume that carrying 10 rounds of ammo for a Karl Gustav would take up less space and weight than an equivalent 10 M136s. That's sort of my reasoning with the Karl Gustav.

Plus the disposable version is less environmentally friendly and would only take up extra space in landfills. (sorry couldn't resist)

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ORIGINAL: nate25

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ORIGINAL: Gary Childress

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ORIGINAL: nate25

Where did you get the info for the 60mm mortar?

I like how you remembered the M14 in the FT.

Not Karl Gustav but maybe M136 LAW instead?

And you still fitted an M107 team in. Nice.

For the mortar I came across a post by someone in another forum who included the 60mm in his company weapons platooon. Seems like a useful addition:

http://council.smallwarsjournal.com/showthread.php?t=4550&page=3

As far as the Karl Gustav, it is supposed to be considerably more expensive than the M136 which is a disposable weapon, however, I like the fact that it is reloadable and there is a plethora of ammo types for it which can be used in various roles, anti-tank, bunker killer, anti-personel. It seems reasonable to me to assume that carrying 10 rounds of ammo for a Karl Gustav would take up less space and weight than an equivalent 10 M136s. That's sort of my reasoning with the Karl Gustav.

Plus the disposable version is less environmentally friendly and would only take up extra space in landfills. (sorry couldn't resist)

True, I've read the M136 was disappointing to the Army in the bunker-busting role.
My thought was the M136 is a one-man weapon, vs. an asst. loading your next 84mm round.

Doesn't the 60mm have a 3-man crew?

Please tell me you're not a tree-hugger.

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ORIGINAL: Gary Childress

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ORIGINAL: nate25

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ORIGINAL: Gary Childress

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ORIGINAL: nate25

Where did you get the info for the 60mm mortar?

I like how you remembered the M14 in the FT.

Not Karl Gustav but maybe M136 LAW instead?

And you still fitted an M107 team in. Nice.

For the mortar I came across a post by someone in another forum who included the 60mm in his company weapons platooon. Seems like a useful addition:

http://council.smallwarsjournal.com/showthread.php?t=4550&page=3

As far as the Karl Gustav, it is supposed to be considerably more expensive than the M136 which is a disposable weapon, however, I like the fact that it is reloadable and there is a plethora of ammo types for it which can be used in various roles, anti-tank, bunker killer, anti-personel. It seems reasonable to me to assume that carrying 10 rounds of ammo for a Karl Gustav would take up less space and weight than an equivalent 10 M136s. That's sort of my reasoning with the Karl Gustav.

Plus the disposable version is less environmentally friendly and would only take up extra space in landfills. (sorry couldn't resist)

True, I've read the M136 was disappointing to the Army in the bunker-busting role.
My thought was the M136 is a one-man weapon, vs. an asst. loading your next 84mm round.

Doesn't the 60mm have a 3-man crew?

Please tell me you're not a tree-hugger.

Not a tree-hugger.

My understanding is that the Karl Gustav is capable of being operated by a solo gunner. Albeit the reload time is considerably longer, but then how many M136s can a team field at a given moment? I figure one shot with a disposable M136 is roughly the same difference as one shot with the Karl Gustav, followed by later shots over a protracted period of time. Of course the convenient thing about the M136 is the crewman doesn't have to tote it around with him after expending it. Although the Anti-Armor Specialist doesn't need to tote the KG on every mission, only on ones where the team thinks they'll need the extra firepower. The rest of the time the AA Specialist can double as a rifleman.

My biggestI see plenty of pics with the 60mm mortar being operated by only two men, so the three I've assigned to it seems like it might be adequate. Not really sure though. But it is a relatively small weapon. concern is assigning two to ride in a single IFV is going to mean limited ammo that can be stowed for it. Might have to rethink that a bit.

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ORIGINAL: 2ndACR

Mech Infantry do not use the Carl Gustov nor the 60mm mortar........they have 120mm or 4.2" mounted on M113 tracks. Now a days it is the AT4 and the Javelin for AT firepower on the dismounts. But Mech mainly rely on the Brads for AT firepower.

Most Mech infantry do not have designated marksmen assigned. Not in the traditional sense anyway.........why have a sniper rifle when I have a Bradley close by with a 25mm and thermals. You will find that most have M16/M4 and M249 as weapons with at least 1 M203 per squad.