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How much R&D is to much R&D - 5/2/2012 1:20:22 PM   
CarnageINC


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Status: offline 		I've just restarted my WitP career again and I like the changes that have taken place . One question that is nagging the back of my mind is my R&D programs. I've stream lined production to a few types, same with R&D. However, unlike my production, which is reasonable in quantity IMO my R&D is getting very high per airframe. Here is a peek at what I'm getting at.

Each airframe is getting roughly 50 or 100 a/c per month. I'm starting to feel that this is too much. Could I get some expert opinions on this please?




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RE: How much R&D is to much R&D - 5/2/2012 3:12:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well first of all AI or PBEM ?
Secondly, realistic on or off ?

Finally, my 2c ... you are doubling up on research on models which are along the same path. This in my opinion is a bit inefficient. Here's why...

Go for the M3, but not the M5 initially cause once the M3 R&D factories are fully repaired 30(0) you can move them along the path to M3a and then M5 with no loss to factory numbers or status. As you may be aware factories dated sooner repair quicker. The previous point (no loss/status change) is imho a flaw of this game but we'll have to liv with it until someone can convince the powers that be that...

So, have all the factories R&D the M3 and then when repaired move them along the path. It's faster.

ALso size 30(0) IS best rather than the smaller 10(0).

Also you say "each is 50/100 per mth" well not until they are repaired And R&D is a trade off between supply used to repair and the benefits V using the supply for combat etc ... your choice.

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RE: How much R&D is to much R&D - 5/2/2012 3:27:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for looking at this.  Its a pbem game with realistic R&D.

I wasn't aware of the the no loss to the factories, I thought they reset to 0 for new a/c. 

So larger sizes are better than smaller?  I was thinking that they might repair quicker...for some reason..LOL. 

So finally your saying that R&D and supplies need to be balanced for what I want to do overall.  I'm concerned about this because I have no new basis for supply and demand for the troops and ships.  I guess I can always stop production if need be to let supplies go to the front.

Thanks for the help no1487477.

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RE: How much R&D is to much R&D - 5/2/2012 3:31:17 PM   
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So larger sizes are better than smaller?  I was thinking that they might repair quicker...for some reason..LOL. 


Size 30 is probably the best trade-off between repair time and production. I think someone tested this long time ago...

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RE: How much R&D is to much R&D - 5/2/2012 3:33:48 PM   
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Thanks for looking at this.  Its a pbem game with realistic R&D.

I wasn't aware of the the no loss to the factories, I thought they reset to 0 for new a/c. 

Yes, in the previous version.
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So larger sizes are better than smaller?  I was thinking that they might repair quicker...for some reason..LOL. 

Well larger sized factories do but from test carried out some time ago by myself it works out similar to smaller factories anyway. The optimum is size 30 for R&D points.
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So finally your saying that R&D and supplies need to be balanced for what I want to do overall.  I'm concerned about this because I have no new basis for supply and demand for the troops and ships.  I guess I can always stop production if need be to let supplies go to the front.

Thanks for the help no1487477.

Well, I mean the 1K repair per factory point. Once repaired they cost nothing. Only fully repaired add to R&D points

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RE: How much R&D is to much R&D - 5/2/2012 4:11:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		One additional question, I just need confirmation.  For a R&D a/c to count toward the monthly quota you need a matching engine to go with it correct?  So if a engine needs to be R&D'd also it is best to stop production if one or the other is not fully ready yet...right  I hope that is a understandable question .

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RE: How much R&D is to much R&D - 5/2/2012 4:20:05 PM   
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Well larger sized factories do but from test carried out some time ago by myself it works out similar to smaller factories anyway. The optimum is size 30 for R&D points.

30 is optimum. Bigger factories will also produce only one point per day. To produce 2 points per day factory must be somewhere around ~70 size or bigger(not sure of that number). But imagine how long it will take to repair it. So it will be faster and cheaper to have two 30 size factories than one big.


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RE: How much R&D is to much R&D - 5/2/2012 4:20:16 PM   
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Well, I mean the 1K repair per factory point. Once repaired they cost nothing. Only fully repaired add to R&D points
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Well larger sized factories do but from test carried out some time ago by myself it works out similar to smaller factories anyway. The optimum is size 30 for R&D points.

30 is optimum. Bigger factories will also produce only one point per day. To produce 2 points per day factory must be somewhere around ~70 size or bigger(not sure of that number). But imagine how long it will take to repair it. So it will be faster and cheaper to have two 30 size factories than one big.

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RE: How much R&D is to much R&D - 5/2/2012 4:24:49 PM   
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One additional question, I just need confirmation.  For a R&D a/c to count toward the monthly quota you need a matching engine to go with it correct?  So if a engine needs to be R&D'd also it is best to stop production if one or the other is not fully ready yet...right  I hope that is a understandable question .


R&D plane and engine are separate processes but You need also R&D engines to have them in the same month or earlier than plane will arrive or you will not be able to produce planes.

Engine factories also produce R&D points when fully repaired but engines R&D factories repair very fast - one point per day when you have at lest 10k supplies in base, so engine will be not problem for you.


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RE: How much R&D is to much R&D - 5/2/2012 5:19:24 PM   
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One additional question, I just need confirmation.  For a R&D a/c to count toward the monthly quota you need a matching engine to go with it correct?  So if a engine needs to be R&D'd also it is best to stop production if one or the other is not fully ready yet...right  I hope that is a understandable question .


Damian can perhaps confirm, but there's another incentive to speed up R&D of engines and get production started immediately. I've heard that if there are a certain number of engines already produced in the pool (500 has been stated), that any associated R&D of airframes utilizing that particular engine is speeded up. I'd wait to hear confirmation, but this is also something to think about when determining your R&D.

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RE: How much R&D is to much R&D - 5/2/2012 10:28:47 PM   
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Damian can perhaps confirm, but there's another incentive to speed up R&D of engines and get production started immediately. I've heard that if there are a certain number of engines already produced in the pool (500 has been stated), that any associated R&D of airframes utilizing that particular engine is speeded up. I'd wait to hear confirmation, but this is also something to think about when determining your R&D.



Well that's a lot of engines, but I haven't heard that one before.

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RE: How much R&D is to much R&D - 5/3/2012 12:25:09 AM   
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One additional question, I just need confirmation.  For a R&D a/c to count toward the monthly quota you need a matching engine to go with it correct?  So if a engine needs to be R&D'd also it is best to stop production if one or the other is not fully ready yet...right  I hope that is a understandable question .


Damian can perhaps confirm, but there's another incentive to speed up R&D of engines and get production started immediately. I've heard that if there are a certain number of engines already produced in the pool (500 has been stated), that any associated R&D of airframes utilizing that particular engine is speeded up. I'd wait to hear confirmation, but this is also something to think about when determining your R&D.

Yes - perfectly true. Thanks SMLemon for reminding me of this point. ANother thing I'd like to see removed from the algorythm ... but legit at present to use.
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