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Jap Strategy Discussion Thread - 4/28/2012 1:33:54 AM

larryfulkerson

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So um........Hey you guys. Let's say I have this game going on where my economy is slightly drunk and the car is weaving and I'm sitting in the back seat giving directions and remember I have a cell phone where I can use the "Jap Strategy HotLine" . Could some of you experts out there take a look at my game and gimme some pointers? It would be GREATLY appreciated.

Here's the link to my saved game file:

EDIT: link deleted since the file isn't available anymore.

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RE: Jap Strategy Discussion Thread - 4/28/2012 1:36:25 AM

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The way I see things I have at least three good areas to especially push hard. I'd like us to discuss these and see which one should be the one I adopt in my game.

I'm willing to forgo the foray into Burma / India because I don't think I have the supply to push really hard there. I'd really rather do most of my advancing in the South Pacific somewhere but I'm open to other opinions.

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RE: Jap Strategy Discussion Thread - 4/28/2012 1:40:21 AM

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Here's a picture I did that lists the current conditions air base and port-wise. What's the pro's and con's of this route?

I'm callling this War Plan Red ( red arrow on the picture above ). I'm thinking Dutch Harbour would be the goal of this Plan.

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RE: Jap Strategy Discussion Thread - 4/28/2012 1:42:31 AM

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I think you need to look at Burma/India as well.

Burma in the short term yields valuable oil and refinery's that are relatively easy to get your hands on.

India, at least upto the Calcutta/Darjeeling axis, I think, is a long term but achieveable strategic goal

Just my 2 cents!!

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RE: Jap Strategy Discussion Thread - 4/28/2012 1:43:22 AM

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This is the conditions for Plan White. Comments........anyone?

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RE: Jap Strategy Discussion Thread - 4/28/2012 1:44:46 AM

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And here's the conditions in Plan Yellow. Still looking for comments.

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RE: Jap Strategy Discussion Thread - 4/28/2012 1:48:25 AM

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ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson

This is the conditions for Plan White. Comments........anyone?

This is an important area to take and expand if your goal is to attempt to strangle Australia, and cut American aid down to the bone by interdicting Fuel/troop/supply convoys.

I attempt to take Port Moresby and continue the advance via Luganville, Samoa, Fiji etc. By establishing bases in these areas, it becomes increasingly difficult for the US to resupply Australia

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RE: Jap Strategy Discussion Thread - 4/28/2012 1:53:32 AM

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ORIGINAL: Empire101
I think you need to look at Burma/India as well.

Burma in the short term yields valuable oil and refinery's that are relatively easy to get your hands on.

India, at least upto the Calcutta/Darjeeling axis, I think, is a long term but achieveable strategic goal

Just my 2 cents!!

Thanks for your input Empire dude. I'm no expert in land warfare and frankly the land war in WITP-AE isn't WITE quality if you know what I mean. But hey......if Burma is a pushover then yeah, I say let's go for it. I'm just thinking that there would be months at a time where I'd have to save up enough supply to do a major offensive and I'm more a 3-D thinker where the complex inter-relationships of planes and ships and foot dudes working together to make a plan happen is more to my liking. That plus I don't like the garrison bleed-off that happens when you actually do grab some area.....you have to leave some troops behind as a garrison every where you go on the land.

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RE: Jap Strategy Discussion Thread - 4/28/2012 1:57:51 AM

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This [ Plan White ] is an important area to take and expand if your goal is to attempt to strangle Australia, and cut American aid down to the bone by interdicting Fuel/troop/supply convoys.

I attempt to take Port Moresby and continue the advance via Luganville, Samoa, Fiji etc. By establishing bases in these areas, it becomes increasingly difficult for the US to resupply Australia

YES. Now you're talking my game. I love this idea. Thanks. I'm guessing at the very least Espirtu Santos would be the eventual goal to strangle Australia and prevent the rapid re-supply of American ( west coast ) aid. And this route combined with advances on the west coast of Australia might hinder re-supply via Cape Town etc. from the far west.

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RE: Jap Strategy Discussion Thread - 4/28/2012 6:17:55 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson

Here's a picture I did that lists the current conditions air base and port-wise. What's the pro's and con's of this route?

I'm callling this War Plan Red ( red arrow on the picture above ). I'm thinking Dutch Harbour would be the goal of this Plan.

I stop at Adak. My goal is simply blocking the Northern route. There isn't anything else up that I want. Adak does that. Going further just makes it easier on the allies IMO. You shorten their supply lines and lengthen yours to no real benefit. Just my thoughts.

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RE: Jap Strategy Discussion Thread - 4/28/2012 6:21:35 AM

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ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson

And here's the conditions in Plan Yellow. Still looking for comments.

I don't go much beyond Darwin unless I'm going for Sydney and all of OZ. I prefer India though. Better supply lines for me, much better booty (HI etc), and has bigger impact upon allies (keeps them out of Burma longer)

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RE: Jap Strategy Discussion Thread - 4/28/2012 6:28:56 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson

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ORIGINAL: Empire101
I think you need to look at Burma/India as well.

Burma in the short term yields valuable oil and refinery's that are relatively easy to get your hands on.

India, at least upto the Calcutta/Darjeeling axis, I think, is a long term but achieveable strategic goal

Just my 2 cents!!

Thanks for your input Empire dude. I'm no expert in land warfare and frankly the land war in WITP-AE isn't WITE quality if you know what I mean. But hey......if Burma is a pushover then yeah, I say let's go for it. I'm just thinking that there would be months at a time where I'd have to save up enough supply to do a major offensive and I'm more a 3-D thinker where the complex inter-relationships of planes and ships and foot dudes working together to make a plan happen is more to my liking. That plus I don't like the garrison bleed-off that happens when you actually do grab some area.....you have to leave some troops behind as a garrison every where you go on the land.

Supply isn't that bad IF in connection with your India focus you are also putting China out of the war. If you have Singers to Fusan open and Shanghai to Rangoon open via Kunming, you should not have supply issues in India. Yes you will have to ship some, but your conquests will get you a lot. Taking Calcutta normally gets me +100,000 supply. Madras also is usually a big haul. Ceylon is usually good for +50,000. Plus you are also capturing a lot of fuel. Read raders AAR. When he took India, he netted more than a million HI equivalent in HI and fuel. That's a lot and you will never get that in OZ of SE Pacific islands. From the IJ perspective, the game is all about HI and fuel. I never fight unless I see some of one or the other in the goal.

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RE: Jap Strategy Discussion Thread - 4/28/2012 9:33:43 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

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ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson

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ORIGINAL: Empire101
I think you need to look at Burma/India as well.

Burma in the short term yields valuable oil and refinery's that are relatively easy to get your hands on.

India, at least upto the Calcutta/Darjeeling axis, I think, is a long term but achieveable strategic goal

Just my 2 cents!!

Thanks for your input Empire dude. I'm no expert in land warfare and frankly the land war in WITP-AE isn't WITE quality if you know what I mean. But hey......if Burma is a pushover then yeah, I say let's go for it. I'm just thinking that there would be months at a time where I'd have to save up enough supply to do a major offensive and I'm more a 3-D thinker where the complex inter-relationships of planes and ships and foot dudes working together to make a plan happen is more to my liking. That plus I don't like the garrison bleed-off that happens when you actually do grab some area.....you have to leave some troops behind as a garrison every where you go on the land.

Supply isn't that bad IF in connection with your India focus you are also putting China out of the war. If you have Singers to Fusan open and Shanghai to Rangoon open via Kunming, you should not have supply issues in India. Yes you will have to ship some, but your conquests will get you a lot. Taking Calcutta normally gets me +100,000 supply. Madras also is usually a big haul. Ceylon is usually good for +50,000. Plus you are also capturing a lot of fuel. Read raders AAR. When he took India, he netted more than a million HI equivalent in HI and fuel. That's a lot and you will never get that in OZ of SE Pacific islands. From the IJ perspective, the game is all about HI and fuel. I never fight unless I see some of one or the other in the goal.

I absolutely agree with Pax. The war is being fought to secure those oil and resources for the Japanese economy.
Although the Land warfare element is not upto WitE standard, it is still vital to the game.

Another aspect that you need to consider is the 'Batter China to Death' strategy. Lots of industry and resource lying about here to use in the Japanese economy.

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RE: Jap Strategy Discussion Thread - 4/28/2012 10:13:00 AM

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Burma - yes there is oil and fuel.. all nice.. The reason you really need it is to create a defense jungle buffer to keep the brits out of your important fuel lifeline!

Stretch the south pacific if you want. Just remember that the allies just need to role up New Guinea and Isolate Truk to make your position in that area a very difficult (and hungry) one!

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RE: Jap Strategy Discussion Thread - 4/28/2012 3:02:54 PM

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My two bits:

1. Clear out the Australian rabble from P/NG, specifically Port Moresby and Milne Bay. You need to hold these as a buffer as long as practical.
2. Why are you permitting an Allied presence / buildup at Tulagi? His buildup there needs to be checked and his efforts countered.
3. Burma, as the others have suggested, must be secured. Magwe is a valuable oil production site and you need the land buffer to hold off the lime...erm...British and Indian troops.
4. You should convert all bases in the DEI, whether they're inhabited or not. I still see a number of islands that are still dutch flagged.

That'll do for starters. These should be accomplished before April 1942. You did not furnish us with the date of your game and-due to warnings about viruses in DLs that you offered before-I'm not going to view your save files at this time. These activities should keep you occupied for this time at least. That will buy you time to further coordinate your offensive and defensive efforts.

Good luck!

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RE: Jap Strategy Discussion Thread - 4/28/2012 4:28:32 PM

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there is a campaign i had in WITP Vanilla --> against an japanese opponent

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1924134&mpage=4&key=bore%2Cpacific

he took port moresby

he took noumea

he landed paratroopers at hilo (hawaii)

he was pretty pleased with himself

... and then i sunk his carriers

.. and then i sunk his battleships

.. and then i massacred his air force

.. and then i landed in northern japan

all in the middle of 1942

oh.. i did lose a few cruisers, destroyers, and pt boats..

allied CV sunk = 0
allied BB sunk = 0

jap opponent quits

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RE: Jap Strategy Discussion Thread - 4/30/2012 9:09:44 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson
if Burma is a pushover then yeah, I say let's go for it. I'm just thinking that there would be months at a time where I'd have to save up enough supply to do a major offensive and I'm more a 3-D thinker where the complex inter-relationships of planes and ships and foot dudes working together to make a plan happen is more to my liking. That plus I don't like the garrison bleed-off that happens when you actually do grab some area.....you have to leave some troops behind as a garrison every where you go on the land.

Burma is a must, because you HAVE TO cut off supply for China. Then you have to prepare for long, bloody air war. Whoever win, will sweep plains around Mandalay, and reopen/keep closed Burma Road.

Kuriles is quickest way to bombard Japan, so you should secure this route.

Australia, New Caledonia, Fiji, etc. gives you nothing, but extends Allies supply routes to Australia, so it is good side-show, where you lose nothing, when you have to get back.

Your main goal should be to keep enemy from your oil fields, and production centers as long as possible.

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RE: Jap Strategy Discussion Thread - 5/2/2012 2:31:00 AM

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....due to warnings about viruses in DLs that you offered before-I'm not going to view your save files at this time.

Yeah, I saw that warning and took it to heart. I updated my virus definations and did a full-system sweep and did in fact find 5 mal-ware files. But the anti-virus program took care of them and so now I'm clean. Thanks to everyone who said something.

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RE: Jap Strategy Discussion Thread - 5/2/2012 4:25:53 PM

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As the Japs I take all the historical gains plus the following:

As much of China as possible, Burma, Nothern Aus (Darwin is a MUST!), PM/Lae/New Guinea area, Lunga/Tulagi and New Cal/New Heb. Anything else is overkill and likely to fail against a decent opponent.......all in my humble opinion of course!

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RE: Jap Strategy Discussion Thread - 5/2/2012 5:06:10 PM

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Does taking Darwin release more allied troops?

your ideas would make me feel over extended even in scn 2

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RE: Jap Strategy Discussion Thread - 5/2/2012 5:07:08 PM

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Does taking Darwin release more allied troops?

your ideas would make me feel over extended even in scn 2

No, activation line is far more south.

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RE: Jap Strategy Discussion Thread - 5/4/2012 2:01:49 AM

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Your strategic goal is to secure the resources your economy needs to continue functioning (including securing the SLOC's required to move these resources to your industry).

Territory seized that does not contribute to that goal is pretty much meaningless (and may even be counterproductive). Keep in mind that a successful Japanese Empire is not the one that took Calcutta for a half a year, but the one that kept the tankers coming in right through 1945 and prevented the invasion of Japan until the clock ran out in '46.

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