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Rise and Fall of an Empire-first PBEM/Teikoku Kaigun(J)... - 4/25/2012 11:58:34 PM   
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On September 4, 1941, the Japanese Cabinet met to consider the war plans prepared by Imperial General Headquarters, and decided:

Our Empire, for the purpose of self-defense and self-preservation, will complete preparations for war ... [and is] ... resolved to go to war with the United States, Great Britain and the Netherlands if necessary. Our Empire will concurrently take all possible diplomatic measures vis-a-vis the United States and Great Britain, and thereby endeavor to obtain our objectives ... In the event that there is no prospect of our demands being met by the first ten days of October through the diplomatic negotiations mentioned above, we will immediately decide to commence hostilities against the United States, Britain and the Netherlands.





So this is going to be my first PBEM game and i decided on doing an attempt at doing an AAR also.

Also a first one in any game but i figured this would help in learning more about the game for me and hopefully to someone reading also.

Comments are more than welcome from the veteran players and other newbs.

This AAR will start in the planning phase, going to be a week or two before any action.


Settings and house rules.

FOW ON
advanced Weather OFF
Allied damage control ON
PDU ON
historical first turn OFF
Dec 7 surprise ON
reliable USN torps OFF
realistic R&D ON
no unit withdrawels OFF

combat reports ON
auto sub ops OFF
TF move radius ON
plane move radius ON
facilities expand OFF
auto upgrade ships and airgroups OFF
auto air and ground replacements OFF

turn cycle 1 TURN


No new Allied TFs on turn 1
Only one Japanese aerial port strike on turn 1
Paying pp for restricted units crossing Manchukuo
No civilian picket ships only navy ships
Invasions only in base/dot hexes
Garrison limits must be observed (no evacuating to allow partisans to destroy the infrastructure)

Both open to discussions if something comes up.




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RE: Rise and Fall of an Empire-Newbies first PBEM / Tei... - 4/26/2012 12:32:36 AM   
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Banzai!!!



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RE: Rise and Fall of an Empire-Newbies first PBEM / Tei... - 4/26/2012 1:59:51 AM   
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"May the odds always be in your favor" --

sorry, I just saw The Hunger Games Sunday. Good luck. Nice Cover Page.


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RE: Rise and Fall of an Empire-first PBEM/Teikoku Kaigu... - 4/26/2012 2:16:48 AM   
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There is always someone willing to offer advice or answer any questions you may have.

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RE: Rise and Fall of an Empire-first PBEM/Teikoku Kaigu... - 4/26/2012 2:19:03 AM   
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Good luck...Banzai!!

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RE: Rise and Fall of an Empire-Newbies first PBEM / Tei... - 4/26/2012 2:34:09 AM   
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Banzai indeed.

No in the Newbie HQs table is the Philippines invasions plans and input is more than welcome.


-----Philippines OOB and first week of operations.----

Luzon - 14th Army.

Landing at IBA D-day 7th Dec > from Pescadores

48th Div

Art Reg x1

AA Bn x1

Eng Reg x1

Const.Bn x1


2nd wave landing at IBA D+3 > from Pescadores

4th Arm Reg

7th Arm Reg

AA Bn x2

JNAF unit x1

2nd wave landing at IBA D+3 > from Takao

23th Air Flotilla HQ

Naval units supporting

DD sq x1

TB sq x1

+ Escorts

D+1 Arrive 4 BBs if needed to support the IBA and SAN FERNANDO landings.

Air units supporting

23rd Air Flotilla Takao

5th Air Div Takao



Landing at SAN FERNANDO D-day 7th Dec> from Takao

65th bde

JAAF BF x1

Field AFconst. Bn x1

2nd wave landing at SAN FERNANDO D+3 > from Takao

5th Air Div HQ

2nd wave landing at SAN FERNANDO D+3 > from Pescadores

AA Bn x1

Naval units supporting

DD sq x1

+ Escorts

D+1 Arrive 4 BBs if needed to support the IBA and SAN FERNANDO landings.


Air units supporting

23rd Air Flotilla Takao

5th Air Div Takao


Landing at VIGAN D-day 7th Dec> from Takao

1 Sasebo SNLF Coy

JAAF AF Bn x1

Naval units supporting

Escorts


Air units supporting

23rd Air Flotilla Takao

5th Air Div Takao


Landing at MAUBAN D+2> from Amami Oshima

16th div main body

Landing at MAUBAN D+5 > from Babeldaob

Inf Reg x1 (part of 16th Div)


Naval units supporting

DD sq x1

Escorts

CV Div 3 Soryu, Hiryu

Air units supporting

CV Div 3 Soryu, Hiryu



Mindanao - 16th Army


Landing at CAGAYAN D-day 7th Dec > from Babeldaob

146th Inf Reg

8th Tank Reg

Naval const. Bn x1

JNAF Coy x3

Naval units supporting

CA sq x1

Escorts

CV Ryujo


Air units supporting

21st Air Flotilla Babeldaob

CV Ryujo


Landing at CAGAYAN D+3 > from Babeldaob

SNLF Coy x3

Art Reg x1

Ind Eng Reg x1

JNAF unit x1

Naval units supporting

CA sq x1

Escorts

CV Ryujo


Air units supporting

21st Air Flotilla Babeldaob

CV Ryujo



As you can see the the KB is broken up allready.

I run some tests and i dont see any difference in the PH results, they are worse than historical if you stay only one day and then you start to loose planes.

Soryu and Hiryu will move within distance of Manila in the 7th, in the 8th they will go full speed to port attack.
Ive run tests where third of the subs have been sunk or damaged, and also some of those auxliaries.
Two subs and two minelayers will mine the harbor entrance 7th Dec, im willing to loose them if they keep them in for a day more.

Now is the time to tell me if you dont think this will fly.

The 48th div in IBA will move for Clark Field with artillery and engineers.

4th and 7th Arm Reg will move for Lingayen to link up with 65th Bde then turn for Clark Field.

16th Div in Mauban will move for Manila and then Clark Field.

The Zeros of 23rd Air Flotilla will rebase to Iba as soon as possible.

All 5th Air Div AC will rebase to San Fernando and Vigan as soon as possible.

As reserve there are 2 Division, 21 Division and 1 Arm reg, comitted when needed.

+ The 38th div and artillery from Hong Kong

I want to bottle them soon somwhere so i can move most of my units away from Philippines.

I also want to take as much warships and merchants as i can.

But is this realistic?


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RE: Rise and Fall of an Empire-Newbies first PBEM / Tei... - 4/26/2012 4:45:03 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Blackhorse

"May the odds always be in your favor" --

sorry, I just saw The Hunger Games Sunday. Good luck. Nice Cover Page.




Blackhorse, if you're hungry, you should go to the "War and Peas" AAR and get some peas and quiet.

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RE: Rise and Fall of an Empire-Newbies first PBEM / Tei... - 4/26/2012 4:54:25 AM   
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If I am playing the Allies, there would be ZERO ships in port at Manilla on 8 Dec. By making the first TF at Manilla a minesweeper with all 6 minesweepers all ships can leave on the 8th of Dec with little or no problems. Sometimes a ship hits a mine, but most of the time they all leave with no mine hits.

You are going to have a 4 CV TF in the Pacific with 72 fighters on board. He can if he wants put 18 Marine fighters on each of his 3 CVs and have about 120 fighters aboard. Be careful or plan on putting more fighters on your CVs.

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RE: Rise and Fall of an Empire-Newbies first PBEM / Tei... - 4/26/2012 5:32:23 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Dan Nichols

If I am playing the Allies, there would be ZERO ships in port at Manilla on 8 Dec. By making the first TF at Manilla a minesweeper with all 6 minesweepers all ships can leave on the 8th of Dec with little or no problems. Sometimes a ship hits a mine, but most of the time they all leave with no mine hits.

You are going to have a 4 CV TF in the Pacific with 60 fighters on board. He can if he wants put 18 Marine fighters on each of his 3 CVs and have about 120 fighters aboard. Be careful or plan on putting more fighters on your CVs.


Thank you for your advice, this is the type of info i need to consider.
The carriers where a bonus to the plan when i noticed even missing two didnt make a big difference at PH.
And they would help in getting those fleeing ships.
This part can be axed easily out though they would be nice to have around Mindanao with the CVL to cover the landings. The 21 Air Flotilla will move to Mindanao to close the Philippine traffic tough.
Can he get those fighters on and still play catch up with KB that stays only one day?

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RE: Rise and Fall of an Empire-Newbies first PBEM / Tei... - 4/26/2012 7:30:24 AM   
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Im little tired, i think you ment that i would keep them separated.
Im too chicken for that, they wont move much after the initial phases.
Next time they will move to head for Rabaul.

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RE: Rise and Fall of an Empire-Newbies first PBEM / Tei... - 4/26/2012 12:22:40 PM   
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Dear friend,

what a great opponent you would have been and what a chance I’ve missed. I like your plan and I’ve always been a fan of KB breaking… ever finishing with a couple of CV sunk the first week of war!

IMHO the threat of US CVs is not so strong because they always require some day to meet together and if you plan to leave Hawaiian waters on 8th you should be quite safe. On the other hand you’re tied to your oilers and they’re in trouble on their own.

But the worst thing about splitting KB, IMHO is the loss of “fleet in being” power. With 6 Japan CVs around as an Allied you must ponder every single move. But if CVs are only 4 things change a lot… remember Midway!

Only my little piece

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RE: Rise and Fall of an Empire-Newbies first PBEM / Tei... - 4/26/2012 2:08:30 PM   
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Teikoku, glad to see that you found some opposition! Good luck with your plan. Hal

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RE: Rise and Fall of an Empire-Newbies first PBEM / Tei... - 4/26/2012 2:17:41 PM   
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They can't do it on the first few turns, but just sending 2 CVs to bomb Manilla port on day 2 and return to Truk is probably going to be a waste of resources. I don't expect there to be any ships in port, and your PH attack will be weaker. If you were going to use the 2 CVs to help cover landings in the DEI then it might make some more sense. In that case you would need to be careful about meeting his 3 CVs with possibly 120 or so fighters and lots of SBDs. A trade of a 2 or 3 CVs is not in your best interest early in the game.

BTW, I edited my first post to reflect that my math seemed to be off. You have 72 fighters on 4 CVs.

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RE: Rise and Fall of an Empire-Newbies first PBEM / Tei... - 4/26/2012 2:44:27 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Dan Nichols

They can't do it on the first few turns, but just sending 2 CVs to bomb Manilla port on day 2 and return to Truk is probably going to be a waste of resources. I don't expect there to be any ships in port, and your PH attack will be weaker. If you were going to use the 2 CVs to help cover landings in the DEI then it might make some more sense. In that case you would need to be careful about meeting his 3 CVs with possibly 120 or so fighters and lots of SBDs. A trade of a 2 or 3 CVs is not in your best interest early in the game.

BTW, I edited my first post to reflect that my math seemed to be off. You have 72 fighters on 4 CVs.


And you could lose a few over PH as well. I concur with Dan. If you do anything different, use 5 CVs and bring Kaga to the DEI to support landings and kill ships. There's a lot of info about this early in Mike Solli's AAR added by ny59giants. That would ensure you have an advantage anyway. You most likely would only meet 2 US CVs unless you sat in Cent Pac doing nothing for 2 weeks. You will most likely move those back to the Gilberts and Solomons to support landings there and then possibly to the DEI.

Your Nells and Bettys from Takao will hit Manila pretty hard. You may choose to go for the fields, but my experience is that you won't hit enough to justify missing all of those subs and other ships in port. Plus, you want to take down many of the fighters with your Zeros to get the kills and resulting experience gains. Also, once you have a base on the PI you can LR CAP spots to catch PBYs moving things around as well as support bombing.

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RE: Rise and Fall of an Empire-Newbies first PBEM / Tei... - 4/26/2012 6:48:37 PM   
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Thank you for your words but this could turn from a brainstorm to a ****storm if i take too many risks with this little experience i have.

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RE: Rise and Fall of an Empire-Newbies first PBEM / Tei... - 4/26/2012 7:10:01 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Dan Nichols

They can't do it on the first few turns, but just sending 2 CVs to bomb Manilla port on day 2 and return to Truk is probably going to be a waste of resources. I don't expect there to be any ships in port, and your PH attack will be weaker. If you were going to use the 2 CVs to help cover landings in the DEI then it might make some more sense. In that case you would need to be careful about meeting his 3 CVs with possibly 120 or so fighters and lots of SBDs. A trade of a 2 or 3 CVs is not in your best interest early in the game.

BTW, I edited my first post to reflect that my math seemed to be off. You have 72 fighters on 4 CVs.


Well the main reason was to get control of the area around Philippines from day one and destroy as much air an naval assets as possible. My wish would be to get those cruisers, B17s and PBYs.

The second stage was to move fast for Sumatra and isolating Singapore, getting the 23rd Air Flotilla to Singkawan and Kuching also to support. Im new and maybe too fixed in having air cover for every move but 2 real CVs would be helpfull.
I just want to make zones where the opponent will get hammered, total superiority where i want, other thing if i can make it happen.

But in the long run i will not brake the KB easily, i will post my draft for my fleets also, good commentary here, thank you.

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RE: Rise and Fall of an Empire-Newbies first PBEM / Tei... - 4/26/2012 7:24:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: obvert


quote:

ORIGINAL: Dan Nichols

They can't do it on the first few turns, but just sending 2 CVs to bomb Manilla port on day 2 and return to Truk is probably going to be a waste of resources. I don't expect there to be any ships in port, and your PH attack will be weaker. If you were going to use the 2 CVs to help cover landings in the DEI then it might make some more sense. In that case you would need to be careful about meeting his 3 CVs with possibly 120 or so fighters and lots of SBDs. A trade of a 2 or 3 CVs is not in your best interest early in the game.

BTW, I edited my first post to reflect that my math seemed to be off. You have 72 fighters on 4 CVs.


And you could lose a few over PH as well. I concur with Dan. If you do anything different, use 5 CVs and bring Kaga to the DEI to support landings and kill ships. There's a lot of info about this early in Mike Solli's AAR added by ny59giants. That would ensure you have an advantage anyway. You most likely would only meet 2 US CVs unless you sat in Cent Pac doing nothing for 2 weeks. You will most likely move those back to the Gilberts and Solomons to support landings there and then possibly to the DEI.

Your Nells and Bettys from Takao will hit Manila pretty hard. You may choose to go for the fields, but my experience is that you won't hit enough to justify missing all of those subs and other ships in port. Plus, you want to take down many of the fighters with your Zeros to get the kills and resulting experience gains. Also, once you have a base on the PI you can LR CAP spots to catch PBYs moving things around as well as support bombing.


I read that and started experimenting with taking two carriers out.

I probably still would hit Clark Field and Cagayan the first and second day with LBA, i just want the skies badly, the CVs would bring some reserve power that can hit fast in any targets.

Remember 21st Air Flotilla starts from day one in Babeldaob, thats 1 Nettie sq and 1 Betty sq away from Takao but closing the door to Philippines in Mindanao and hitting the B17s in Cagayan. BTW they have torps from D+1.

Thank you also for your comments and please keep them coming and keep me honest.

< Message edited by Teikoku Kaigun -- 4/26/2012 7:28:41 PM >

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RE: Rise and Fall of an Empire-Newbies first PBEM / Tei... - 4/26/2012 8:44:48 PM   
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Here is the work in progress fleet composition, the idea is to put forward two strong area fleets from where to build task forces depending on situation.
I have still small fleets like the 5th under consideration but i have some 2nd line ships still available.
I might give the Minekaze DDs also to the area fleets along with the Subs and auxliaries they will get.
Comments again welcome, if you spot a mistake thats only helpfull for me.


---COMBINED FLEET---

-KIDO BUTAI-


CVdiv

2xCV (Akagi class CV) AKAGI, (45F, 18DB, 18TB) (Kaga class CV) KAGA (36F, 18DB, 18TB)


CVdiv

2xCV (Shokaku class CV) SHOKAKU, (36F, 18DB, 18TB) ZUIKAKU (36F, 18DB, 18TB)


CVdiv

2xCV (Soryu class CV) SORYU, (27F, 18DB, 18TB), HIRYU (27F, 18DB, 18TB)


CVdiv

2xCVL (Zuiho class CVL) SHOHO,(24F, 6TB), ZUIHO (24F, 6TB)

(The main task of the CVLs fighters is to fly CAP and the torpedo bombers to fly ASW.)



BBdiv

2xBB (Kongo class BB) KIRISHIMA, HARUNA


CAdiv

2xCA (Tone class CA) TONE, CHIKUMA

1XCS (Chitose class CS) CHIOYDA


DDdiv

5xDD (Shiratsuyu class DD)


DDdiv

5xDD (Shiratsuyu class DD)


DDdiv

2xDD (Yugumo class DD)



SSdiv

6xSS (Type B1)



-TOTAL AC-

F 255/ DB 108/ TB 120/ FP 42

CAP

100 F

ESCORT

155 F

STRIKE

108 DB

97 TB

NAVS

10 TB

21 FP


ASW

6TB



-KB replenishment group-


1x CVE (Hosho class CVE) HOSHO (14F, 6TB, CAP&ASW)

1X CLAA (Tenryu class CLAA) TENRYU

6x DD (Mutsuki class DD)

4x E (Shimushu class E)

7x AO (fast)


When KB moves it will usually get atleast 2-3 DDdiv attached from Combined Fleet for ASW and scouting.

And if i still have my carriers in late 42 the KB 2 can be formed as need arises, these carriers are a reserve and training fleet


CVdiv

2xCV (Hiyo class CV) JUNYO (27F, 18DB, 9TB) HIYO (27F, 18DB, 9TB)


CVdiv

2X CVL (Ryujo class CVL) RYUJO (27F, 9DB, 12TB), (Ryuho class CVL) RYUHO (21F, 9TB)


CVdiv

3x CVE (Taiyo class CVE) TAIYO (27F), CHUYO (27F), UNYO (27F)


1xCS(Chitose class CS) (24 FP)



TOTAL AC

183 F/ 45 DB/ 39 TB/ 24 FP
















-BB sq-


BBdiv

2xBB (Nagato class BB) NAGATO, MUTSU



-CA sq-

CAdiv

2xCA (Mogami class CA) MOGAMI, MIKUMA


CAdiv

2xCA (Mogami class CA) SUZUYA, KUMANO


DDdiv

1x CL (Nagara class CL) NATORI

3xDD (Kagero class DD)


DDdiv

1x CL (Nagara class CL) KINU

3xDD (Kagero class DD)



-CA sq-


CAdiv

2xCA (Takao class CA) TAKAO, ATAGO


CAdiv

2xCA (Takao class CA) MAYA, CHOKAI


DDdiv

1X CL (NAGARA class CL) YURA

3xDD (Kagero class DD)


DDdiv

1x CL (NAGARA class CL) ABUKUMA

3xDD (Kagero class DD)



-DD sq-


DDdiv

1xCL (Sendai class CL) SENDAI

5xDD (Asashio class DD)


DDdiv

1xCL (Sendai class CL) JINTSU

5xDD (Asashio class DD)


DDdiv

1xCL (Sendai class CL) NAKA

6xDD (Hatsuharu class DD)





AODiv


1X CLAA (Tenryu class CLAA) TATSUTA

5x DD (Kamikaze class DD)

3x AO (slow)










---2ND FLEET---


-BB sq-


BBdiv

2xBB (Ise class BB) ISE, HYUGA


BBdiv

2xBB (Fuso class BB) FUSO, YAMASHIRO


-CA sq-


CAdiv

2x CA (Myoko class CA) MYOKO, NACHI


CAdiv

2x CA (Myoko class CA) HAGURO, ASHIGARA


DDdiv

1x CL (Nagara class CL) NAGARA

3xDD (Kagero class DD)


DDdiv

1x CL (Nagara class CL) ISUZU

3xDD (Kagero class DD)



DDsq


DDdiv

1xCL (Kuma class CL) KUMA

5xDD (Fubuki II class DD)


DDdiv

3x DD (Fubuki I class DD)


DDdiv

3xDD (Mutsuki class DD)


DDdiv

3xDD (Minekaze class DD)




---4TH FLEET---



-BB sq-


BBdiv

2xBB (Kongo class BB) KONGO, HIEI



-CA sq- This is actually my favorite, i will give it to Tanaka, 166 Long Lance tubes combined.


CAdiv

2xCA (Furutaka class CA) FURUTAKA, KAKO


CAdiv

2xCA (Aoba class CA) AOBA, KINUGASA


DDdiv

1xCL (Kuma class DD) KITAKAMI

3xDD (Fubuki I class DD)


DDdiv

1xCL (Kuma class DD) OI

3xDD (Fubuki I class DD)



-DDsq-


DDdiv

1xCL (Kuma class CL) TAMA

5xDD (Fubuki II class DD)


DDdiv

4xDD (Fubuki III class DD)


DDdiv

3xDD (Mutsuki class DD)


DDdiv

3xDD (Minekaze class DD)



---5th FLEET---


DDsq

DDdiv

1x CL (Yubari class CL) Yubari

4x DD (Kamikaze class DD)


DDdiv

3xDD (Minekaze class DD)


DDdiv

3xDD (Minekaze class DD

< Message edited by Teikoku Kaigun -- 5/2/2012 6:26:54 AM >

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RE: Rise and Fall of an Empire-Newbies first PBEM / Tei... - 4/27/2012 12:45:00 PM   
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Another beginner question.
I have never accelerated CV Hiyo, when can she be available?

I would like KB 2 ready by May and be agressive and force a fight or raise hell.

Anyone have opinion in building more than one CVE? Thats the max i see point in.

I also like the CS ships, dont see reason in converting these handy ships.
Pros and cons?


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RE: Rise and Fall of an Empire-Newbies first PBEM / Tei... - 4/28/2012 4:55:06 PM   
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Have not been in my own computer for a few days so cant give specifics but i want to share the broad strokes of the plans so far.

December-January operations.

Philippines-Southern Borneo-Northern Celebes

14th Army, 4 Division and 21 Division will take Luzon and destroy or contain the enemy forces there.

16th Army will take Mindanao and destroy the enemy forces there.

Combined Army/Navy forces will take Southern Borneo, Northern Celebes

Malay-Northern Borneo-Sumatra

25th Army will take the Malay peninsula and destroy or contain the enemy forces there.

Combined Army/Navy forces will take Northern Borneo and destroy the enemy forces there.

Combined Army/Navy forces will take Northern Sumatra and destroy the enemy forces there.

Combined Army/Navy forces will take Southern Sumatra and destroy the enemy forces there.

Burma

15th Army will take Southern Burma and destroy the enemy forces there. (Or somebody will be fired.)


January-February operations.

Philippines

4 Division, 21 Division will take Luzon and destroy or contain the enemy forces there

Malay-Sumatra

25th Army will take the Malay peninsula and destroy or contain the enemy forces there

Combined Army/Navy forces will take Northern Sumatra and destroy the enemy forces there.

Combined Army/Navy forces will take Southern Sumatra and destroy the enemy forces there.

Southern Borneo- Southern Celebes-Ceram-Bali

Combined Army/Navy forces will take Southern Borneo, Southern Celebes, Ceram and Bali and destroy the enemy forces there


Burma

15th Army will take Southern Burma and destroy the enemy forces there. (Or everyone will be fired.)


Java

14th Army and 16th Army will take Java and destroy the enemy forces there.


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RE: Rise and Fall of an Empire-Newbies first PBEM / Tei... - 4/28/2012 5:03:23 PM   
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So im going with bypassing the Singapore and Philippines pockets to prevent more speed bumbs, what do the veterans say about this?

The timetable for New Guinea and Solomons is still open but it will probably be December-January.

So is the possible Northern Pacific operation.

Im worried about Burma but even more about China, im reading the forums daily about those.

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RE: Rise and Fall of an Empire-Newbies first PBEM / Tei... - 4/28/2012 5:44:10 PM   
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RE: Rise and Fall of an Empire-Newbies first PBEM / Tei... - 4/28/2012 10:06:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Teikoku Kaigun

So im going with bypassing the Singapore and Philippines pockets to prevent more speed bumbs, what do the veterans say about this?

The timetable for New Guinea and Solomons is still open but it will probably be December-January.

So is the possible Northern Pacific operation.

Im worried about Burma but even more about China, im reading the forums daily about those.


Philippines - no problem with this. All the Allied forces tied up in Bataan does is prevent the use of Manila. No big deal.

Singapore - For me, this is too important a base to not have. Yeah, it takes a while and a lot of assets, but I want to get this base as soon as possible. It's too important for me.

If you're going for Pt. Moresby, do it as soon as possible. Not having this base really hurts come mid-42.

NorthPac is easier to do later, but that depends on your opponent. If he decides to, he can build up there and cause you pain later.

China is a pain in the butt. It takes forever to properly garrison the bases. Try to surround the Chinese in the clear hexes. They'll die pretty quickly that way. If you don't kill them now, you'll pay in 43-44.

Burma is tough. There aren't a lot of assets available and it takes forever just to walk there. You'll need lots of support units to build up the air bases you'll need to try and hold off the RAF. Take Pt. Blair. That is a great base for Netties. It can close the Bay of Bengal to Allied shipping.

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RE: Rise and Fall of an Empire-Newbies first PBEM / Tei... - 4/28/2012 10:09:50 PM   
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I have never accelerated CV Hiyo, when can she be available?

Save the money, you have enough CVs in the beginning. Rather spend the HI in accelerating a 44 CV to get it in 43.

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RE: Rise and Fall of an Empire-Newbies first PBEM / Tei... - 4/29/2012 3:45:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Teikoku Kaigun

Have not been in my own computer for a few days so cant give specifics but i want to share the broad strokes of the plans so far.

December-January operations.

Philippines-Southern Borneo-Northern Celebes

14th Army, 4 Division and 21 Division will take Luzon and destroy or contain the enemy forces there.

16th Army will take Mindanao and destroy the enemy forces there.

Combined Army/Navy forces will take Southern Borneo, Northern Celebes

Malay-Northern Borneo-Sumatra

25th Army will take the Malay peninsula and destroy or contain the enemy forces there.

Combined Army/Navy forces will take Northern Borneo and destroy the enemy forces there.

Combined Army/Navy forces will take Northern Sumatra and destroy the enemy forces there.

Combined Army/Navy forces will take Southern Sumatra and destroy the enemy forces there.

Burma

15th Army will take Southern Burma and destroy the enemy forces there. (Or somebody will be fired.)


January-February operations.

Philippines

4 Division, 21 Division will take Luzon and destroy or contain the enemy forces there

Malay-Sumatra

25th Army will take the Malay peninsula and destroy or contain the enemy forces there

Combined Army/Navy forces will take Northern Sumatra and destroy the enemy forces there.

Combined Army/Navy forces will take Southern Sumatra and destroy the enemy forces there.

Southern Borneo- Southern Celebes-Ceram-Bali

Combined Army/Navy forces will take Southern Borneo, Southern Celebes, Ceram and Bali and destroy the enemy forces there


Burma

15th Army will take Southern Burma and destroy the enemy forces there. (Or everyone will be fired.)


Java

14th Army and 16th Army will take Java and destroy the enemy forces there.



What are you doing with 38th Div after capture of Hong Kong? Where is 48th Div? Or are they part of what you call 16th and 14th Armies? This would be easier to understand and comment on if you listed each Army with its divisions, their objectives, and current AV, such as:

14th Army:
4th Division - Luzon (400)
48th Division - Luzon (420)
16th Division - Mindanao (380)
21st Division - Luzon (400)

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RE: Rise and Fall of an Empire-Newbies first PBEM / Tei... - 4/29/2012 4:58:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Historiker

quote:

I have never accelerated CV Hiyo, when can she be available?

Save the money, you have enough CVs in the beginning. Rather spend the HI in accelerating a 44 CV to get it in 43.


No i dont.

But poor is poor and i axed the whole KB2 concept from my starting naval OOB, i will get back to it when i get Junyo and Hioy.

It just isnt for me, i moved the BBs back front and will use KB when i have to, not sitting in port, overall agressive start.

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RE: Rise and Fall of an Empire-Newbies first PBEM / Tei... - 4/29/2012 5:05:22 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Uncivil Engineer


quote:

ORIGINAL: Teikoku Kaigun

Have not been in my own computer for a few days so cant give specifics but i want to share the broad strokes of the plans so far.

December-January operations.

Philippines-Southern Borneo-Northern Celebes

14th Army, 4 Division and 21 Division will take Luzon and destroy or contain the enemy forces there.

16th Army will take Mindanao and destroy the enemy forces there.

Combined Army/Navy forces will take Southern Borneo, Northern Celebes

Malay-Northern Borneo-Sumatra

25th Army will take the Malay peninsula and destroy or contain the enemy forces there.

Combined Army/Navy forces will take Northern Borneo and destroy the enemy forces there.

Combined Army/Navy forces will take Northern Sumatra and destroy the enemy forces there.

Combined Army/Navy forces will take Southern Sumatra and destroy the enemy forces there.

Burma

15th Army will take Southern Burma and destroy the enemy forces there. (Or somebody will be fired.)


January-February operations.

Philippines

4 Division, 21 Division will take Luzon and destroy or contain the enemy forces there

Malay-Sumatra

25th Army will take the Malay peninsula and destroy or contain the enemy forces there

Combined Army/Navy forces will take Northern Sumatra and destroy the enemy forces there.

Combined Army/Navy forces will take Southern Sumatra and destroy the enemy forces there.

Southern Borneo- Southern Celebes-Ceram-Bali

Combined Army/Navy forces will take Southern Borneo, Southern Celebes, Ceram and Bali and destroy the enemy forces there


Burma

15th Army will take Southern Burma and destroy the enemy forces there. (Or everyone will be fired.)


Java

14th Army and 16th Army will take Java and destroy the enemy forces there.



What are you doing with 38th Div after capture of Hong Kong? Where is 48th Div? Or are they part of what you call 16th and 14th Armies? This would be easier to understand and comment on if you listed each Army with its divisions, their objectives, and current AV, such as:

14th Army:
4th Division - Luzon (400)
48th Division - Luzon (420)
16th Division - Mindanao (380)
21st Division - Luzon (400)


Yes, i ment the starting compositions. 14th and 16th have lots of armor also that are useful in Java.
Sorry about not being more specific, been away from my computer.

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RE: Rise and Fall of an Empire-Newbies first PBEM / Tei... - 4/29/2012 5:17:37 PM   
Teikoku Kaigun

 

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ORIGINAL: Mike Solli


quote:

ORIGINAL: Teikoku Kaigun

So im going with bypassing the Singapore and Philippines pockets to prevent more speed bumbs, what do the veterans say about this?

The timetable for New Guinea and Solomons is still open but it will probably be December-January.

So is the possible Northern Pacific operation.

Im worried about Burma but even more about China, im reading the forums daily about those.


Philippines - no problem with this. All the Allied forces tied up in Bataan does is prevent the use of Manila. No big deal.

Singapore - For me, this is too important a base to not have. Yeah, it takes a while and a lot of assets, but I want to get this base as soon as possible. It's too important for me.

If you're going for Pt. Moresby, do it as soon as possible. Not having this base really hurts come mid-42.

NorthPac is easier to do later, but that depends on your opponent. If he decides to, he can build up there and cause you pain later.

China is a pain in the butt. It takes forever to properly garrison the bases. Try to surround the Chinese in the clear hexes. They'll die pretty quickly that way. If you don't kill them now, you'll pay in 43-44.

Burma is tough. There aren't a lot of assets available and it takes forever just to walk there. You'll need lots of support units to build up the air bases you'll need to try and hold off the RAF. Take Pt. Blair. That is a great base for Netties. It can close the Bay of Bengal to Allied shipping.


But does the siege and softening phase need more forces than the 25th allready has?

I really need to get more forces to Burma from somewhere but the same time need some in New Guinea-Solomons, have to go trough all the possibilities.

Playing the AI i have been moving close to historical timetables so this is all new to me.

But this is all theoretical, could be that i have 4-5 Divisions drowned after first week.

Thanks for visiting here also.

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RE: Rise and Fall of an Empire-Newbies first PBEM / Tei... - 5/10/2012 2:36:05 PM   
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So the game started, i have mixed feelings about it.
I have been more busy after my vacation started than normal.
My opponent had to wait for 15days for the first turn and was getting irritated so i abandoned some of my plans.
I went with a conservative start and even forgot some plans i had written down.
But it could have been worse i guess.

I didnt break up KB as i chickened out with little time to finish the turn.
Main landings this turn where
Phillippines> Iba and San Fernando
Malay >Kota Bharu and Singora
Northern Borneo> Miri

I can post more if i get some time and if anyone is interested, im little short on time.
Saturday im leaving to Netherlands and when i get back next week i leave straight to Lebanon.
So the game moves slow until those trips are done.


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 07, 41



The worst thing that happened is that BB Kongo is probably gone, she took 4 torps of Kota Bharu.

quote:

Sub attack near Kota Bharu at 52,75

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo, Torpedo hits 3, heavy damage
DD Oshio
DD Arashio
DD Michishio

Allied Ships
SS KXI



SS KXI launches 4 torpedoes at BB Kongo
KXI bottoming out ....
DD Arashio fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Michishio fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Arashio fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Arashio fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Arashio fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Arashio fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Arashio fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub


quote:

Sub attack near Kota Bharu at 52,75

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Arashio

Allied Ships
SS KXI, hits 4



SS KXI launches 4 torpedoes at BB Kongo
KXI bottoming out ....
DD Arashio attacking submerged sub ....
DD Arashio fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Arashio fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Arashio attacking submerged sub ....
DD Arashio fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub


Her damage is Systems 30 Flotation 80 Engine 15, no fires tough.
But i dont haveany place to dock her close, anyone seen a miracle with this kind of damage?


PH strike was ok i think, those minisubs made it this time.
I got some good hits, explosions, listings and engine damage and most of the BBs are out for some time.
Those sunk DDs, hits on cruisers and auxiliaries where an nice plus.
Usual damage on the airfied strike.
I didnt change anything about the strike, i have tested different settings for the airstike and nothing seems to improve it.


quote:

idget Sub attack inside harbor of Pearl Harbor!!!

Japanese Ships
SSX Ha-22, hits 1

Allied Ships
PC Taney
BB West Virginia, Torpedo hits 1



SSX Ha-22 eludes ASW attack from PC Taney
SSX Ha-22 eludes PC Taney by hugging bottom
PC Taney cannot establish contact with SSX Ha-22
SSX Ha-22 eludes PC Taney by hugging bottom


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Midget Sub attack inside harbor of Pearl Harbor!!!

Japanese Ships
SSX Ha-19, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DM Preble
BB Oklahoma, Torpedo hits 1



DM Preble loses contact with SSX Ha-19
SSX Ha-19 eludes ASW attack from DM Preble


quote:

Morning Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 180,107

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 69 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 68
B5N2 Kate x 144
D3A1 Val x 126



Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed by flak
B5N2 Kate: 3 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 2 destroyed by flak
D3A1 Val: 1 damaged
D3A1 Val: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
P-40B Warhawk: 2 destroyed, 52 damaged
P-40B Warhawk: 7 destroyed on ground
PBY-5 Catalina: 179 damaged
PBY-5 Catalina: 7 destroyed on ground
B-17E Fortress: 20 damaged
C-33: 2 damaged
A-20A Havoc: 17 damaged
A-20A Havoc: 3 destroyed on ground
B-17D Fortress: 49 damaged
B-17D Fortress: 1 destroyed on ground
F4F-3 Wildcat: 22 damaged
F4F-3 Wildcat: 1 destroyed on ground
O-47A: 10 damaged
O-47A: 1 destroyed on ground
B-18A Bolo: 65 damaged
B-18A Bolo: 5 destroyed on ground
P-36A Mohawk: 20 damaged
P-36A Mohawk: 4 destroyed on ground
SBD-1 Dauntless: 29 damaged
SBD-1 Dauntless: 4 destroyed on ground
R3D-2: 6 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
BB California, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
BB Pennsylvania, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
AV Wright, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
DM Breese
AV Tangier, Bomb hits 1, on fire
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 3, heavy damage
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 2
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
CA New Orleans, Torpedo hits 1
CL Helena, Bomb hits 1, on fire
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
CL Honolulu, Bomb hits 1
DD Shaw, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Worden, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
AO Neosho, Bomb hits 1
CA San Francisco, Bomb hits 1


Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Repair Shipyard hits 5
Airbase hits 47
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 86
Port hits 22
Port fuel hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 100 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
12 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
25 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
14 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 100 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
1 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
26 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
4 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 15000 feet
8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
City Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
18 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
4 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 15000 feet
8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
18 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
9 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
27 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
8 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 15000 feet
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
27 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
City Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
5 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
City Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
9 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
15 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
City Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
5 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
11 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 15000 feet
21 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
1 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
5 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
18th PG/44th PS with P-40B Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
15th PG/47th PS with P-40B Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 7 minutes

Training flight from 18th PG/44th PS has been caught up in attack
Training flight from 15th PG/47th PS has been caught up in attack



Landings too place in the Philippines in Iba and San Fernando, both lacked LRCAP as i forgot to divide some Zeros for them.
Good luck that real damage happened only in Iba.

quote:

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Iba at 78,75

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 7 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes


Allied aircraft
P-26A x 6
PBY-4 Catalina x 4
SOC-1 Seagull x 3


Allied aircraft losses
PBY-4 Catalina: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
xAK Kazuura Maru, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
xAK Shinko Maru

Japanese ground losses:
2052 casualties reported
Squads: 50 destroyed, 21 disabled
Non Combat: 46 destroyed, 17 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 11 (7 destroyed, 4 disabled)



Aircraft Attacking:
4 x PBY-4 Catalina launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo
3 x SOC-1 Seagull bombing from 6000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 lb SAP Bomb




That hurt.. He is moving forces from Lingayen to Iba, seems he was expecting this landing so its going to get hot there.

This is the only ship i lost in the first turn, i have some AKs with bomb hits in Malay and Philippines but atleast they are empty soon. Next turn im sure i will loose some and Kongo probably.




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