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RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) re... - 6/4/2012 11:53:49 AM   
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01/05/1942

Reported losses for this day are as follows:
Land-
Attacked 51,78- 12 IJA to 327 Indian, Indians Retreat
Attacked 54,58- 71 British, British retreat
Bombardment Changsha- 1 IJA gun to 8 Chinese

Air
Regular Chinese ground bombings-
Regular Malay ground/af bombings-
Regular Filipino ground/af bombings
Sweep Changsha- 1 Ki43Ic to 1 H81-A3
Sweep Soerabaja- 1 Ki43Ic to 1 CW-21B + 1 75A-7 Hawk
CAP TF near Billiton- 4 139WH-3 + 2 CW-22 (losses were higher)

Navy

Sub
SS KXV 4 hits from PB Tatsumiya Maru
SS I-3 1 hit from DMS Chandler
SS Stingray 3 hits from PB Santos Maru
SS Swordfish hits PB Santos Maru 1 torp heavy dam
SS I-123 hits AKL Ipoh 4 shell heavy dam

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RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) re... - 6/4/2012 11:59:32 AM   
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01/06/1942

Reported losses for this day are as follows:
Land-
Attacked 85,54- 280 IJA to 1892 Chinese, Chinese Retreat
Attacked 87,41- 219 IJA to 1225 Chinese, Chinese retreat
Bombardment Changsha- 6 IJA to 7 Chinese
Attacked Djambi- 27 IJA to 74 Dutch
Captured Malacca- 190 IJA to 3356 Allied, 6 Units retreated 3 destroyed (See Geoffs previous post for piccys)
Captured Pucheng

Air
Regular Chinese ground bombings-
Regular Malay ground/af bombings-
Regular Filipino ground/af bombings
Bombed Wake- 106 US
Sweep Changsha- 1 H81-A3
Sweep Soerabaja- 1 CW-21B + 1 75A-7 Hawk


Navy

Sub
SS KXIV 8 hits from SC Ch 9
SS I-1 1 hit from DD Patterson

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RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) re... - 6/4/2012 12:04:26 PM   
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01/07/1942

Reported losses for this day are as follows:
Land-

Bombardment Changsha- 12 IJA to 24 Chinese
Attacked Djambi- 8 IJA to 38 Dutch
Captured Malacca- 190 IJA to 3356 Allied, 6 Units retreated 3 destroyed (See Geoffs previous post for piccys)
Attacked Wake- 155 IJN to 57 US

Air
Regular Chinese ground bombings-
Regular Malay ground/af bombings-
Regular Filipino ground/af bombings
Bombed Wake- 106 US
Sweep Changsha- 1 H81-A3 (night bombing- forgot to mention after AVG moved in all bombers went to night bombing)
Sweep Soerabaja- 1 75A-7 Hawk
Naval bombing Tavoy- AKL Nam Yong 1 bomb, heavy dam and fires

Navy
Naval Bombardment Wake- 83 US

Sub
SS KXIV 5 hits from DD Hatakaze + 7 hits from PB Higashiyama Maru
SS Perch 5 hits from Nagata Maru

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RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) re... - 6/4/2012 12:14:05 PM   
vontiger


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01/08/1942

Reported losses for this day are as follows:
Land-
Bombardment Changsha- 1 IJA gun to 9 Chinese
Attacked 52,64- 113 British, British retreated
Attacked 79,56- 313 IJA to 88 Chinese, Chinese held
Shock Attack 88,46- 188 Chinese, Chinese retreat
Attacked Djambi- 39 IJA to 77 Dutch
Attacked Wake- 22 IJN to 39 US

Air
Regular Chinese ground bombings-
Regular Malay ground/af bombings-
Regular Filipino ground/af bombings
Sweep Changsha- (night bombing) 1 sqn day bomb 1 Ki-43-Ic lost- bombers got through small amount of AF dam
Sweep Soerabaja- 1 A6M2 to 1 CW-21B
Allied Naval bomb Kendari- 1 PBY-5 shot down
Naval bomb- AKL Mabella 1 bomb on fire

Navy
Amphibious Kalidjati- troops landed
Surface combat- 4 IJN DD - 7 MTB all MTB bar MTB 8 sunk

Sub (3 Allied subs reported sunk)
SS Permit 1 mine hit buna on fire
SS Tarpon 1 mine hit buna on fire, heavy dam
SS Sturgeon 4 hits from PB Takuna Maru
SS I-123 hits AKL Marudu 1 torp heavy dam

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RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) re... - 6/4/2012 12:22:15 PM   
vontiger


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01/09/1942

Reported losses for this day are as follows:
Land-
Attacked 54,59- 16 RTA to 112 Britsh, British retreat
Captured Beaufort- 12 IJN to 52 British
Bombardment Changsha- 14 Chinese
Captured Chengchow- 568 IJA to 6623 Chinese
Captured Kalidjati

Air
Regular Chinese ground bombings-
Regular Malay ground/af bombings-
Regular Filipino ground/af bombings
Sweep Changsha- (1 Sqn night bombing) 1 H81-A3 down, 3 sqns day attack- good hits on AF
Sweep Soerabaja- 1 75A-7 Hawk
Allied Naval bomb- 5 B-339D+3 139WH-3 des 4 dam + 1 CW-22 Falcon + 1 dam (losses higher) bombers got to ships no hits
Naval Bomb Vic Point- AKL Nanchang 3 bomb sunk

Navy

Sub
SS Pickerel 1 hit AKE Nagisan Maru 12 shell hits
SS I-6 DD MaCdonough 1 torp heavy dam

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RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) re... - 6/4/2012 12:26:47 PM   
vontiger


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01/10/1942

Reported losses for this day are as follows:
Land-
Attacked Djami- 5 IJA to 67 Dutch
Bombardment Changsha- 5 IJA to 12 Chinese
Attacked Kendari- 53 IJN to 60 Dutch
Attacked Kuantan- 82 Indian, 8th Indian Brigade Des
Captured Prome
Captured Toungoo

Air
Regular Chinese ground bombings-
Regular Malay ground/af bombings-
Regular Filipino ground/af bombings
Bombed Wake- 57 US
Bombed Changsha- All day bombing no sign of AVG

Navy

Sub
SS I-121 2 hits from AKL Kaiping 9 shell heavy fire and dam

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RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) re... - 6/4/2012 12:33:39 PM   
vontiger


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01/11/1942

Reported losses for this day are as follows:
Land-
Shock Attack 87,46- 176 Chinese, Chinese retreat
Attacked Djami- 9 IJA to 68 Dutch
Bombardment Changsha- 7 IJA to 31 Chinese
Captured Kendari- 22 IJN to 255 Dutch
Captured Wake- 74 IJN to 632 US, Wake USN CPNAB + 1st Marine Def Bat des

Air
Regular Chinese ground bombings-
Regular Malay ground/af bombings-
Regular Filipino ground/af bombings
Bombed Wake- 98 US
Bombed Changsha- Light hits on AF Ki-21-Ic Sally lost to flak

Navy
Amphibious Kolaka

Sub
SS I-26 hits TK Falkefjell 1 torp on fire, heavy dam

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RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) re... - 6/6/2012 11:51:38 PM   
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vontiger - any secrets you can share on how you are getting at least one SS encounter (and good hits) nearly every turn? I am most impressed!

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RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) re... - 6/8/2012 2:40:52 AM   
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Moo, you should ask instead how I successfully place targets dead ahead of vontiger, daring him to fire his torpedoes. I am the impressive one. Now, I would like to know from your own AAR where you placed those mines, how many and when. I wish to learn from you.

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RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) re... - 6/8/2012 3:46:24 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: moore4807

vontiger - any secrets you can share on how you are getting at least one SS encounter (and good hits) nearly every turn? I am most impressed!


The secret is to know where his army intends to defend. He will have supply ships going that way. Just set your subs up there. I have also been lucky as I have hit a few ships around northern Australia, some out of the US and a couple of ASW ships as well.

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RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) re... - 6/8/2012 3:48:05 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

Moo, you should ask instead how I successfully place targets dead ahead of vontiger, daring him to fire his torpedoes. I am the impressive one. Now, I would like to know from your own AAR where you placed those mines, how many and when. I wish to learn from you.


Moore- No helping him my mines are doing a good job in taking down subs at the moment

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RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) re... - 6/8/2012 12:19:46 PM   
vontiger


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01/12/1942

Reported losses for this day are as follows:
Land-
Bombardment Changsha- 6 IJA to 5 Chinese
Attacked Djambi- 5 IJA to 27 Dutch, Dutch Held
Captured Kolaka


Air
Regular Chinese ground bombings-
Regular Malay ground/af bombings-
Regular Filipino ground/af bombings

Navy
Amphibious Kolaka

Sub
SS I-123 Att AKL Benkalis 6 shell, heavy fire and Dam

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RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) re... - 6/8/2012 12:25:27 PM   
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01/13/1942

Reported losses for this day are as follows:
Land-
Attacked 63,97- 33 IJN to 41 Dutch, Dutch Held
Attacked 86,41- 264 IJA to 855 Chinese, Chinese Held
Bombardment Changsha- 22 Chinese
Captured Gasmata
Captured Tavoy- 4 RTA to 277


Air
Regular Chinese ground bombings-
Regular Malay ground/af bombings-
Regular Filipino ground/af bombings
Bomb Changsha- base 5 air supply 2 runway 26 to 1 Ki-30+Ki-43-Ic+Ki-51+Ki-21-Ic lost

Navy
Amphibious Tandjoengselor

Sub
SS RO-34 Att AKL Lyemun 16 shell, heavy fire and Dam

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RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) re... - 6/8/2012 12:32:17 PM   
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01/14/1942

Reported losses for this day are as follows:
Land-
Attacked 106,126- 113 IJA to 90 Australian, Australians held
Attacked 63,97- 43 IJN to 34 Dutch, Dutch Held
Attacked 84,53- 51 IJA to 359 Chinese, Chinese Retreated
Attacked 86,41- 132 IJA to 303 Chinese, Chinese Held
Bombardment Changsha-
Captured Djambi- IJA 11 to 182 Dutch
Captured Tandjoengselor

Air
Regular Chinese ground bombings-
Regular Malay ground/af bombings-
Regular Filipino ground/af bombings
Bomb Changsha- base 4 air supply 7 runway 18 + 16 Chinese

Navy

Sub
SS RO-34 Att AKL Tatung 2 shell + 2 torp heavy dam
SS I-20 Att AKL Koonda 3 shell + 2 torp heavy dam
SS R0-67 Att AKL Wear 10 shell + 1 torp heavy fire + dam
SS Tambor 5 hits from PB Kaiun Maru
SS Trout hits 1 mine at Wake

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RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) re... - 6/8/2012 12:36:02 PM   
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01/15/1942

Reported losses for this day are as follows:
Land-
Attacked 106,126- 39 IJA to 145 Australian, Australians held + unit Des
Bombardment Changsha- 13 Chinese

Air
Regular Chinese ground bombings- 99 Loyang
Regular Malay ground/af bombings-
Regular Filipino ground/af bombings
Bomb Changsha- base 2 air supply 2 runway 33 + 7 Chinese to 1 Ki-21-Ic+Ki-43-IC

Navy

Sub
SS I-20 Att AK Dardanus 7 torp on fire + heavy dam
SS RO-33 Att AKL Lee Sang 3 shell 1 torp on fire + heavy dam



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RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) re... - 6/8/2012 12:40:50 PM   
vontiger


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01/16/1942

Reported losses for this day are as follows:
Land-
Attacked 50,81- 20 IJA to 827 Allied, 3 Allied units Des
Attacked 86,41- 680 IJA to 608 Chinese, Chinese Held
Bombardment Changsha- 10 IJA

Air
Regular Chinese ground bombings-
Regular Malay ground/af bombings-
Regular Filipino ground/af bombings
Bomb Changsha- base 4 air supply 1 runway 9 + 9 Chinese

Navy
Amphibious Boela

Sub
SS RO-67 Att AKL Karuah 8 Shell + 1 torp on fire + heavy dam

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RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) re... - 6/9/2012 4:06:48 AM   
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The "secret" is in turn one, Pick as many ports that you are going to lose as you have CM's relatively nearby... On turn one send them to mine the "friendly" port then run like **** back home! works flawlessly against AI... you can't really do it in later turns because of air coverage makes the CM a sitting duck vs Nells & Betty's... That was the reason I was looking for bombardment missions - Larry was loading up CA's & CL's on hunter -killer TF's in the Celebes, so there are still some surprises left for him. (keeping OPSEC secure)

PS- as a noob reading the AAR's, I've noticed several house rules that prohibit single ship TF's. Solution is to add one ship that's as fast as your CM to it.

Nothing to worry about vontiger - I'm really no help at all!!!

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RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) re... - 6/9/2012 6:44:15 PM   
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The prohibition on single ship TFs is only when you use them for certain purposes, such as using AKLs and AKs to screen your CV TFs from air attack especially.  As long as you do not have sin in your heart it's perfectly ok.  If you want to have a convoy scatter in the face of air attack or surface attack, I think that's an ok tactic, but it doesn't always work very well.  Support ships such as ADs AVPs AVDs ARs etc. are often alone.  Some of those can't defend against enemy subs though. 

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RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) re... - 6/9/2012 7:49:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

The prohibition on single ship TFs is only when you use them for certain purposes, such as using AKLs and AKs to screen your CV TFs from air attack especially.  As long as you do not have sin in your heart it's perfectly ok.  If you want to have a convoy scatter in the face of air attack or surface attack, I think that's an ok tactic, but it doesn't always work very well.  Support ships such as ADs AVPs AVDs ARs etc. are often alone.  Some of those can't defend against enemy subs though. 


Hmm, I've developed a habit of TF'ing my support ships and ALWAYS have escorts... never fails that I lose about 1 out of 3 support ships when they are TF'd, but lose 2 out of 3 when they are running solo...

Sort of the exasperation the Brits had about convoys when America got into the war, They had been doing it since 1939 and offered help... We waited until tankers and shipping were burning and sunk all along the East Coast before we said "Gee why didn't we think of that?"

Just trying to stay one step ahead of the last idiot in line...


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RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) re... - 6/10/2012 6:47:21 PM   
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Yes, agreed, those support ships are very valuable, but the allies (especially the Brits) have very few escorts initially.  The Japanese are loaded with PBs and Es and SCs for freighters and tankers, but they have way too few DDs to escort their CVs.  Some of those AMs you have are very good but their range is inadequate and they really weren't meant for the high seas.  Go ahead and send them with the support ships to any small base you want them at, use an AK if need be to refuel them, and then have the AM(s) patrol that port.  Also, when desperate, I don't worry about the AKLs, the allies have gobs of them and they're expendable. Also you can escort AKs and AKLs out of port and well out to sea, then send the escorts home. The subs will usually cluster around ports and your chances are good once you're clear of them. When they're approaching their port of call, send escorts out from there to bring them in. Try not to use predictable shipping lanes. Anything with troops or planes on them I always escort everywhere, though. TKs and AOs too. Now that I've told you some stuff you already knew, you may wake up now.

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RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) re... - 6/11/2012 2:24:49 AM   
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quote:

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Yes, agreed, those support ships are very valuable, but the allies (especially the Brits) have very few escorts initially.  The Japanese are loaded with PBs and Es and SCs for freighters and tankers, but they have way too few DDs to escort their CVs.  Some of those AMs you have are very good but their range is inadequate and they really weren't meant for the high seas.  Go ahead and send them with the support ships to any small base you want them at, use an AK if need be to refuel them, and then have the AM(s) patrol that port.  Also, when desperate, I don't worry about the AKLs, the allies have gobs of them and they're expendable. Also you can escort AKs and AKLs out of port and well out to sea, then send the escorts home. The subs will usually cluster around ports and your chances are good once you're clear of them. When they're approaching their port of call, send escorts out from there to bring them in. Try not to use predictable shipping lanes. Anything with troops or planes on them I always escort everywhere, though. TKs and AOs too. Now that I've told you some stuff you already knew, you may wake up now.


Nah I don't know how your break off escorts (create new TF?), How many turns do you go before splitting them? suggestions about ASW? I use air and ship method off West Coast and Pearl Harbor - but Australia? do you use Brisbane or Sydney ports? Some things I'm confident in... others I'm as rookie as it gets!

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RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) re... - 6/11/2012 4:01:39 AM   
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Anyone who disagrees with or wishes to amend any advice I give, please please please bust in and give it.

Moo - yes exactly, just form a new TF say for surface combat and then have them return to base.  It's not a matter of turns really, but where you suspect or know enemy subs lurk.  However, to use your analogy, I think 2 days to or from Australia will usually work, and 3 days to or from the west coast.  Mathematically, the odds of his subs being in the right place plunge dramatically, unless he has intelligence about a choke point or some other fixed point where your TFs assemble or pass through.  Just be careful about being predictable.  When you need stuff (in LA say) that happens to be in Panama without escorts, just order them to a spot in the ocean well south of LA and to remain on station.  As soon as they are on map, send an escort to meet and merge while ordering the TF to go to LA or return to base (LA).  On ASW, in the early going almost nobody is good at it.  There are a few exceptions among the AMs and YPs.  No matter what, patrol your major ports especially if you have TFs not disbanded in those ports.  A prudent enemy will test you there, and may deliver mines as well, so it's a good idea to have some minesweepers as well. I find if you put out say DDs DMs or DMSs with an ASW value of 2 on patrols outside of port, the subs actually have a better chance of sinking them than the other way 'round.  Patrol outside the port only for special occasions (you fill in the blank) until they are upgraded to 4. Once trained, your ASW aircraft will be much more effective at beating up his subs, not to mention your search planes (which will attack almost anything they see).  Make sure all the DDs etc. due upgrades are in port and disbanded so they will.  It's really important they get the better ASDIC ASAP.  Slow down your operations as needed to accomplish this.  Also, I generally like to have ASW TFs of at least 2 ships, so when the sub torpedoes one ship the other has at least a chance of retaliation.  Once your ASW rating on your DDs etc. is 6 or 8, life on those subs is pretty difficult.  The sub tactics will have to change. 

Brisbane and Sydney are both good ports, so use both.  Sydney needs naval support as soon as you can get it there though.  You should have an RAAF HQ in Sydney which maintains a torpedo inventory so you can rearm subs there, but Brisbane has a repair shipyard that's more than adequate to handle your subs, so get an AS or two there and use it for your sub base, and when you can't load torps there, send the sub to Sydney.  For all other purposes, don't forget Melbourne, Adelaide, Perth and Aukland, that will spread out your risk should the KB come for a friendly visit; and of course it'll be handy if you develop Noumea into a significant base and port.  Don't forget to develop search plane havens, try to cover all the Coral Sea and the South Pacific with overlapping search arcs coming from different directions all the way from Townsville to Pearl Harbor. 

One more thing, engineers, engineers, engineers. They fight the war and will win it, clause edited out as it was offensive to many who certainly do not deserve such offense. The Brits and Commonwealth troops are woefully short of them and will remain so. Be generous to them (from the American point of view) because the USA will be turning out engineers like cuckoo clocks. Send them units with bulldozers, such as EABs and construction regiments. However, I say never send Marines to the Indian Ocean. Also, the Brits badly need fighters and can use some of those Aviation battalions with aviation support. Those can be transferred by air to China from Burma if and when it seems appropriate. When considering what fighter squadrons to send the Brits, I like to send that P-40 group and perhaps a bit more, but there's another consideration as well. The British carriers are generally short on aircraft, and they would be a lot more effective if they had full complements, especially including US naval aircraft which are generally superior to what they have. Ask yourself this question, in consideration of your general game strategy, would it be better to ship some Wildcats and Dauntlesses to Cape Town or to ship them west to meet up with the Brit carriers in the Coral Sea region? Though the Brit carriers are smaller, with the right planes and crews they can be a powerful supplement to the US CV force.

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RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) re... - 6/11/2012 2:50:44 PM   
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Just 3 thoughts on early submarine warfare ..

1) I would agree that those ASW "2" and "1" boats are targets .. but they do a good job of taking one for the team and getting IJN submarines to shoot at them exposing position and wasting torps. I like to form 1 & 2 ship YMS TF's and patrol areas I think the IJ are just as an example.. then I find out .. which leads to 2 ..

2) Float planes do a great job of ASWand prevent the "park in front of the port" move . I station float planes at stratgic locations along with coast. At least this forces the IJ to patrol out a bit wheere I can maneuver ..also on a rare occasion . they drop a bomb on target and ruin the IJ's day ..

3) BTW) The USN get a 150% experience bonus in ASW the first year. To use this wisely put high Naval & Agressive leaders in charge of ASW forces patroling areas that you found with 1 & 2 above ..

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RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) re... - 6/11/2012 7:33:15 PM   
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Thanks, Crackaces.


quote:

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Anyone who disagrees with or wishes to amend any advice I give, please please please bust in and give it.

Moo - yes exactly, just form a new TF say for surface combat and then have them return to base.  It's not a matter of turns really, but where you suspect or know enemy subs lurk.  However, to use your analogy, I think 2 days to or from Australia will usually work, and 3 days to or from the west coast.  Mathematically, the odds of his subs being in the right place plunge dramatically, unless he has intelligence about a choke point or some other fixed point where your TFs assemble or pass through.  Just be careful about being predictable.  When you need stuff (in LA say) that happens to be in Panama without escorts, just order them to a spot in the ocean well south of LA and to remain on station.  As soon as they are on map, send an escort to meet and merge while ordering the TF to go to LA or return to base (LA).  On ASW, in the early going almost nobody is good at it.  There are a few exceptions among the AMs and YPs.  No matter what, patrol your major ports especially if you have TFs not disbanded in those ports.  A prudent enemy will test you there, and may deliver mines as well, so it's a good idea to have some minesweepers as well. I find if you put out say DDs DMs or DMSs with an ASW value of 2 on patrols outside of port, the subs actually have a better chance of sinking them than the other way 'round.  Patrol outside the port only for special occasions (you fill in the blank) until they are upgraded to 4. Once trained, your ASW aircraft will be much more effective at beating up his subs, not to mention your search planes (which will attack almost anything they see).  Make sure all the DDs etc. due upgrades are in port and disbanded so they will.  It's really important they get the better ASDIC ASAP.  Slow down your operations as needed to accomplish this.  Also, I generally like to have ASW TFs of at least 2 ships, so when the sub torpedoes one ship the other has at least a chance of retaliation.  Once your ASW rating on your DDs etc. is 6 or 8, life on those subs is pretty difficult.  The sub tactics will have to change. 



No sooner did I say that that an IJN sub attacked some of my ships coming from Panama. Wily devil. Better send the escorts to the rendezvous site first and have them wait for the for the convoy to arrive. The attacks (two) occurred at 206,102 with both being misses.


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One more thing, engineers, engineers, engineers. They fight the war and will win it, clause edited out as it was offensive to many who certainly do not deserve such offense. The Brits and Commonwealth troops are woefully short of them and will remain so. Be generous to them (from the American point of view) because the USA will be turning out engineers like cuckoo clocks. Send them units with bulldozers, such as EABs and construction regiments. However, I say never send Marines to the Indian Ocean. Also, the Brits badly need fighters and can use some of those Aviation battalions with aviation support. Those can be transferred by air to China from Burma if and when it seems appropriate. When considering what fighter squadrons to send the Brits, I like to send that P-40 group and perhaps a bit more, but there's another consideration as well. The British carriers are generally short on aircraft, and they would be a lot more effective if they had full complements, especially including US naval aircraft which are generally superior to what they have. Ask yourself this question, in consideration of your general game strategy, would it be better to ship some Wildcats and Dauntlesses to Cape Town or to ship them west to meet up with the Brit carriers in the Coral Sea region? Though the Brit carriers are smaller, with the right planes and crews they can be a powerful supplement to the US CV force.


I mean the P-40 group that arrives on the East Coast as reinforcements, three squadrons and a headquarters squadron. You may also consider the P-39s that arrive there, mainly for ground attack. You will need to train all of them up before you send them though. Without at least a couple months training they'll be wasted in India. Train them at the East Coast as they will be well supported there. When they do get to India, continue training them there if you don't need to put them on the front right away. In any case, I always keep at least 10 or 20% of each sq. training at all times except when I'm expecting a big battle. That goes for the carrier squadrons as well. Max out the pilots in each squadron so you can train more of them and they won't get so fatigued doing it. When you do ship out those squadrons, put the extra pilots back in the reserve pool as they won't be accomplishing anything much on the ship ride over. You can even get a little fancy and remove the bulk (or all) of the pilots and then reconstitute the squadrons after they're unloaded in India.

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RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) re... - 6/11/2012 9:17:39 PM   
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Excellent! I am absorbing al lthis info and appreciate your taking the time helping me!
Crackaces - Where and Why are the engineers in India invaluable? are they British units from Abadan, etc.? where do you use them at? I figured the USA engineers would be needed in SoWePac/Aus areas.

Not trying to hijack your thread geoff, good stuff though!

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Not to try to barge into Crackace's answer, but first for fortifying.  The Japanese are liable to hit you like a load of bricks somewhere.  Second, for building the airfields you will need when you go on the offensive, all the way down to Singapore and beyond.  There's no such thing as too many engineers.

The addition of US engineers will turn the Brit/Ind/Aus army from a second rate one to a first rate one and believe me, the US will have more than adequate supplies of engineers in the SW Pacific.

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Not to try to barge into Crackace's answer, but first for fortifying.  The Japanese are liable to hit you like a load of bricks somewhere.  Second, for building the airfields you will need when you go on the offensive, all the way down to Singapore and beyond.  There's no such thing as too many engineers.

The addition of US engineers will turn the Brit/Ind/Aus army from a second rate one to a first rate one and believe me, the US will have more than adequate supplies of engineers in the SW Pacific.


You're not barging at all excellent answer . Specfically I move [with NY59Giants sugestion] 1:4 SeaBees to India via Cape Town. and I concurr with geofflambert. One thing to add .. this game is all about supply and infrastructure is abstractly accounted for through port/airbase/fort. So bases not attached to rails are limted per phase by the size of the base .. SeaBees rapidly improve the situation as I have found out ..

Read my AAR around NOV 42 to get a feel how I first built up India and then later pushed those supplies into Burma to surprise the IJ ... now I am sieging Bangkok in APR 43 ...SeaBees made that happen ..

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Got it... I will read the AAR, and thanks to both of you!

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RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) re... - 6/12/2012 6:28:20 PM   
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1/20/42 The KB (4-6 CVs) have appeared near Tulagi. I had several AKLs and AKs unloading supplies there, and as you can see, they're not there anymore. I've had B-17s bombing the airfield at Finschafen, but with only moderate success. There appears to be a squadron of Zeros based there.






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