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RE: Better solution than simply locking threads? - 4/13/2012 5:11:59 PM   
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This. Also, if I may offer some advice


Very true. Green button is useful.

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RE: Better solution than simply locking threads? - 4/13/2012 5:48:58 PM   
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That is, I suspect, what DD is getting at. There are certain cliques of abusive, bullying posters who use mob tactics to drive reasonable people away from the forums and to shut down discussions that for some reason they simply cannot abide having discussed. Matrix knows who they are. I agree with DD that the time has long past where such should be escorted from the premises and instructed never to return.


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RE: Better solution than simply locking threads? - 4/13/2012 5:56:08 PM   
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while I can't support the statement you quote above, it was aimed at exactly one of those SPAMMING every good thread with his nonsense.


It's OK to have that opinion. But I ask you this. WHERE'S THE HARM? The guy wasn't being an insulting jerk or mean. He's just seeing a connection to the general topic, yeah, very derivative, and running with it. I like Beowulf Shaeffer on this. I may be paraphrasing: "If I had to watch every word I say, I'd never say anything."

The reaction to that "spam" was beyond reasonable and TYPICAL of the person who made the insulting remark. And it's a tactic that one and one of his close allies has deployed many times to drive reasonable people away.

If someone's comment in a thread is too derivative for the subject, any person can politely suggest that it's an interesting subject and recommend that he start a new thread.

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RE: Better solution than simply locking threads? - 4/13/2012 8:06:05 PM   
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I honestly think green buttoning someone is childish as hell. Announcing it afterward is even more juvenile in my eyes.

However if someone lacks the strength of will necessary to avoid rising to the bait and the maturity to avoid sinking to the level of schoolyard insults then I would much rather they use the green button to avoid trashing up threads every time they lose their cool.


I use the green button (mostly) temporarily on trolls and thread hijackers who try to bring an otherwise interesting
thread off topic.

Personally I do not care the slightest bit whether this behaviour is intentional, is because the hijacker had a difficult childhood
and wants revenge, or simply because he is missing some basic manners. Such behaviour is extremely impolite to the OP and
those participating in the discussion.
I do not have any problems to insult them, call them names, or use the green button on them and announcing it to others
who might not be aware of this option, childish as it might be.

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In a forum such as this one that is 'lightly' patrolled, I consider it a duty to call out particular trolls.


Agreed.




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The Matrix Approved Method for self-policing this forum is to report offensive posts to the admin.

Calling people out, calling them names (including "Troll"), and publicly demanding bans and locked threads only escalates the situation.

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RE: Better solution than simply locking threads? - 4/13/2012 8:09:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've only used the green button I think 2 or 3 times at most. The people I've tended to use it on had axes to grind at the personal (I hate you) or national (I hate your country) level. This to me at least is overall a civil board but depending on the topic can turn heated. Curtain topics can turn into unpleasant locked threads in no time.

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RE: Better solution than simply locking threads? - 4/13/2012 9:57:27 PM   
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RE: Better solution than simply locking threads? - 4/13/2012 11:26:50 PM   
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I think the really rabid trouble makers are long gone. I don't see anything on the scale that we had before.


Not that I am an old timer but there is one person (or is it three persons?) who regulary and deliberately flamed threads. In fact he appeared last week for a brief moment. Of note, when The Poster Who Shall Not Be Named (TPWSNBN) attempted to agitate, to a man (and Graf Zepplin) we ignored his posts. Lo, and behold he disappeared when no one took the bait.

A lesson to be learned perhaps?

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RE: Better solution than simply locking threads? - 4/13/2012 11:30:23 PM   
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I think the really rabid trouble makers are long gone. I don't see anything on the scale that we had before.


I do not consider myself an old timer but am quite familiar with one person (or is it three persons) who used to regulary flame threads. Interestingly, he appeared briefly last week and attempted to light a fire. To a man (oh, and Graf Zepplin too } we ignored him. Lo and behold he slipped back underneath his rock

A lesson learned, perhaps?

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RE: Better solution than simply locking threads? - 4/14/2012 12:34:55 AM   
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RE: Better solution than simply locking threads? - 4/14/2012 12:41:49 AM   
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I sometimes use the green button on myself. Try it. It is quite spiritual, like going to your own funeral.


Only DivePac88 would truly know anything about that particular evolution

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RE: Better solution than simply locking threads? - 4/14/2012 1:26:32 AM   
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(oh, and Graf Zepplin too }



Grrrrrrrrrr


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RE: Better solution than simply locking threads? - 4/14/2012 10:00:45 AM   
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Status: online 		vettim89, you should know better, in this case it is Gräfin!

Ah, the joys of language like Finnish which is gender-neutral. Tho...amusingly, in case of counts and countesses, we'd have different word.

Even more amusingly, I once used green button on castor troy after an argument. Two days later removed it, after I cooled down. People here tend to have strong personalities and sometimes clashes in opinions (and personality) are unavoidable.

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RE: Better solution than simply locking threads? - 4/14/2012 10:30:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Grafin, I cannot stop looking at that walking teddy bear in your avatar. It's hypnotic. Where did you find that thing?

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RE: Better solution than simply locking threads? - 4/14/2012 2:13:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sardaukar


Even more amusingly, I once used green button on castor troy after an argument. Two days later removed it, after I cooled down. People here tend to have strong personalities and sometimes clashes in opinions (and personality) are unavoidable.


This is a good point. We must maintain our sense of proportion. We are all human after all.
We all sometimes fly off the handle for all sorts of reasons ( bad day at work, row with nearest and dearest, your pet hamster gets sat on etc...),
but I am gratified by the fact that so many people here behave as adults, and try to maintain a sense of balance.


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RE: Better solution than simply locking threads? - 4/14/2012 4:47:23 PM   
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Grafin, I cannot stop looking at that walking teddy bear in your avatar. It's hypnotic. Where did you find that thing?

Six or seven years ago when I started with this internet stuff. I had to save that one and burned it on CD. It must been at the Star Wars Galaxies(I hate you Sony) forum methinks.

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RE: Better solution than simply locking threads? - 4/14/2012 5:10:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin


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ORIGINAL: ilovestrategy

Grafin, I cannot stop looking at that walking teddy bear in your avatar. It's hypnotic. Where did you find that thing?

Six or seven years ago when I started with this internet stuff. I had to save that one and burned it on CD. It must been at the Star Wars Galaxies(I hate you Sony) forum methinks.


That is not cuddly at all (ok...mine is neither)... I think your is more scary, though...


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RE: Better solution than simply locking threads? - 4/14/2012 5:25:34 PM   
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vettim89, you should know better, in this case it is Gräfin!

Ah, the joys of language like Finnish which is gender-neutral. Tho...amusingly, in case of counts and countesses, we'd have different word.

Even more amusingly, I once used green button on castor troy after an argument. Two days later removed it, after I cooled down. People here tend to have strong personalities and sometimes clashes in opinions (and personality) are unavoidable.


Guilty as charged but I'm too lazy to find the damn umlat button

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RE: Better solution than simply locking threads? - 4/14/2012 10:27:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin

Six or seven years ago when I started with this internet stuff. I had to save that one and burned it on CD. It must been at the Star Wars Galaxies(I hate you Sony) forum methinks.


Star Wars Galaxies? I was a master ranger/pistoleer. That game was the ultimate MMO.

I hate you also Sony.


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RE: Better solution than simply locking threads? - 4/15/2012 1:35:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ilovestrategy


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ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin

Six or seven years ago when I started with this internet stuff. I had to save that one and burned it on CD. It must been at the Star Wars Galaxies(I hate you Sony) forum methinks.


Star Wars Galaxies? I was a master ranger/pistoleer. That game was the ultimate MMO.

I hate you also Sony.



What happened - some lawsuit to shut it down?

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RE: Better solution than simply locking threads? - 4/15/2012 4:11:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well basically the changed the game after the success of world of warcraft into something realy dumb. Imagine you play war in the pacific and then they decide "hey Command and Conquer is cool lets change the game" In the end it was worse then WoW and the game everyone loved was gone forever.
It is recognized as one of the greatest failures someone has ever done in the MMO industry.Thats good and they deserve it but *sigh*


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RE: Better solution than simply locking threads? - 4/15/2012 4:12:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ilovestrategy


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ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin

Six or seven years ago when I started with this internet stuff. I had to save that one and burned it on CD. It must been at the Star Wars Galaxies(I hate you Sony) forum methinks.


Star Wars Galaxies? I was a master ranger/pistoleer. That game was the ultimate MMO.

I hate you also Sony.


Architect/pistoleer here *cries*


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RE: Better solution than simply locking threads? - 4/15/2012 4:33:47 AM   
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Well basically the changed the game after the success of world of warcraft into something realy dumb. Imagine you play war in the pacific and then they decide "hey Command and Conquer is cool lets change the game" In the end it was worse then WoW and the game everyone loved was gone forever.
It is recognized as one of the greatest failures someone has ever done in the MMO industry.Thats good and they deserve it but *sigh*



Ah, I see.

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RE: Better solution than simply locking threads? - 4/15/2012 7:28:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin

Six or seven years ago when I started with this internet stuff. I had to save that one and burned it on CD. It must been at the Star Wars Galaxies(I hate you Sony) forum methinks.


Star Wars Galaxies? I was a master ranger/pistoleer. That game was the ultimate MMO.

I hate you also Sony.



I would have to disagree. Think the best one was UO before it was nerfed.

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RE: Better solution than simply locking threads? - 4/16/2012 12:50:48 AM   
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