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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/27/2012 7:49:02 PM   
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2/1/42 and 2/2/42
 
NoPac:  Shifting around of troops continues as I work on the Prince Rupert-into-the-interior-of-Canada invasion route.  I'm also boosting Vancouver's garrison significantly.  Otherwise, quiet in this region with no sign of the KB.

DEI:  Japan is making good progress in rolling up the remaining Allied defenses in Java.  The focus of Japan's activity in the region continues in the Timor/Darwin area.

India:  India always worries me, in part because it holds a mystical power to attract Japanese attention and losing the territory would be embarrasing and perhaps fatal to an Allied player.  Happiness, therefore, is reaching February 2 with Singapore and Sabang in Allied hands and with good garrisons in place on Cocos Island, Port Blair, Diego Garcia, Attu Atoll and Socotra.  I'm not dismissing the possibility of a threat to India, but that vector would be much more risky and time-consuming for Steve than would be a move on Oz.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/27/2012 11:26:46 PM   
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If i was steve i'd go for india. Nopac is a suicide and it's too late for oz....but i think he still has time to conquer india if he committs everything on this gamble....but for sure ruining his divisions at clark won't help...

Keep an eye on India CR! And keep a strong garrison at Karachi


I don't think NoPac is suicide.....an attrition air war in 1942 with Scen 2 favors Japan, actually, and he can score a bunch of points over Seattle. But I do agree India should be a tempting target. I would expect it, in fact, except for the pile of guys at Clark.

I am playing Steve in another game, as Japan, and I do agree he is a very capable opponent. If he has a weakness, it's over-aggressiveness; he's lost 2 USN CVs vs me, and it's 1/15/42. He'll risk forces that are important, good or bad.


My opinion is that India is impossible for the Japanese player. If Japan wants to make a 'spoiling' attack and take eastern India to gain HI, Resources, and oil then that MIGHT work, however, I still think doing all of India is fool's errand. Not to insult---just my thoughts here.


I'm very interested in this subject cause i felt i wav very close to losing it...could you elaborate a bit more mate?

Just food for thoughts....

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/28/2012 1:52:48 AM   
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I think it's due to the fact that Rader, a very skilled opponent who had great experience in land campaigns from invading Russia in a previous PBEM, attempted it against you (a complete newb), and still failed in the end. If he couldn't do it then, it would probably be near impossible barring exceptional circumstances (Allies losing most of the Indian army and British/Aussie divs in Burma early 1942 or something).

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/28/2012 2:38:48 AM   
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It also seems to me that you must have been assembling your substatial force for the Kurile/Hokkaido invasions while he was trying to conquer India. If you had done as most players would, a lot of that force would have ended up in India, stopping his invasion well before your Hyderabad [Sindh] line. Like the Germans in Stalingrad, it only looked like they might succeed because a massive counterpunch was being held back until it was fully cocked.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/28/2012 6:59:34 AM   
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It also seems to me that you must have been assembling your substatial force for the Kurile/Hokkaido invasions while he was trying to conquer India. If you had done as most players would, a lot of that force would have ended up in India, stopping his invasion well before your Hyderabad [Sindh] line. Like the Germans in Stalingrad, it only looked like they might succeed because a massive counterpunch was being held back until it was fully cocked.


Honestly at that time(1942) i was just struggling to survive and wasn't thinking about an hokkaido invasion at all!
That said, i think that Rader's achievements could still be improved...he waited too many months before crossing the LOD, giving me time to build up my defences and probably was too methodical in his conquest....if he had gone directly to the throat ( say a landing at karachi) i fear that things may have gone differently.... I imagine a landing in the chittaong area first ( or Viza) ....the, while the allies are trying to stop the japs in the plains, a combined landing at attu- diego, bypassing cylon.... Then, while the japs are blietzkrieging in the south- east of India, another massive landing at Surat, bypassing Bombay.... From Surat the last leap....directly to Karachi....by the end of april 42... Sounds that fool?

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/28/2012 7:26:23 AM   
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It also seems to me that you must have been assembling your substatial force for the Kurile/Hokkaido invasions while he was trying to conquer India. If you had done as most players would, a lot of that force would have ended up in India, stopping his invasion well before your Hyderabad [Sindh] line. Like the Germans in Stalingrad, it only looked like they might succeed because a massive counterpunch was being held back until it was fully cocked.


Honestly at that time(1942) i was just struggling to survive and wasn't thinking about an hokkaido invasion at all!
That said, i think that Rader's achievements could still be improved...he waited too many months before crossing the LOD, giving me time to build up my defences and probably was too methodical in his conquest....if he had gone directly to the throat ( say a landing at karachi) i fear that things may have gone differently.... I imagine a landing in the chittaong area first ( or Viza) ....the, while the allies are trying to stop the japs in the plains, a combined landing at attu- diego, bypassing cylon.... Then, while the japs are blietzkrieging in the south- east of India, another massive landing at Surat, bypassing Bombay.... From Surat the last leap....directly to Karachi....by the end of april 42... Sounds that fool?



from a game perspective it doesn't sound fool, from a game perspective you can also land 6 divs directly at Karachi with your next bigger base being Rangoon. But this is only possible in the game and is utter nonsense realistically speaking as in real life you need a line of supply, a working one. In the game, you just need to move halve a dozen divs somewhere and a couple dozen freighters full of supply and you can land wherever you want, even if it is 5000 miles away from your next base. These are those games that usually end earlier than later because one of the players went nuts, as I have seen it too often and experienced it myself just in my last PBEM when my opponent vanished.


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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/28/2012 8:32:38 AM   
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Because rader went into India after wiping China, he had time and resources to buy out virtually every AA and support unit on the map and send them with his gazillion divisions and the entire IJAAF. I don't think a similar all-in invasion can happen without the conquering of China first and complete safety of supply routes to and from the SRA.

That kind of support is what is needed though for taking all of India. It can't be just a good portion of the IJA and 'some' support units. GJ couldn't even bomb his troops or bases without severe losses due to the number of AA there, and the only way you would get the kind of coordinated strikes he got consistently is with a ton of base units and Air HQs.

An invasion of India in any more normally progressing game should be a stalling and resource gathering measure similar to taking west OZ, but with the added HI of Calcutta and a bit of oil added in. A move that helps the economy more than hurts it and that buys time, kills Allied troops, and for which there is a defined limit so that the retreat is not too messy.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/28/2012 9:55:27 AM   
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Because rader went into India after wiping China, he had time and resources to buy out virtually every AA and support unit on the map and send them with his gazillion divisions and the entire IJAAF. I don't think a similar all-in invasion can happen without the conquering of China first and complete safety of supply routes to and from the SRA.

That kind of support is what is needed though for taking all of India. It can't be just a good portion of the IJA and 'some' support units. GJ couldn't even bomb his troops or bases without severe losses due to the number of AA there, and the only way you would get the kind of coordinated strikes he got consistently is with a ton of base units and Air HQs.

An invasion of India in any more normally progressing game should be a stalling and resource gathering measure similar to taking west OZ, but with the added HI of Calcutta and a bit of oil added in. A move that helps the economy more than hurts it and that buys time, kills Allied troops, and for which there is a defined limit so that the retreat is not too messy.


Very true, very true....

But being that true, i wonder why Steve isn't focusing on China that much... I think that if Japan wants to have a "phase 2" (being that every offensive plan once SRA and DEI are conquered and secured) with some chances of being succesfull, the conquest of China is a fundamental MUST-HAVE


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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/28/2012 2:37:59 PM   
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Because rader went into India after wiping China, he had time and resources to buy out virtually every AA and support unit on the map and send them with his gazillion divisions and the entire IJAAF. I don't think a similar all-in invasion can happen without the conquering of China first and complete safety of supply routes to and from the SRA.

That kind of support is what is needed though for taking all of India. It can't be just a good portion of the IJA and 'some' support units. GJ couldn't even bomb his troops or bases without severe losses due to the number of AA there, and the only way you would get the kind of coordinated strikes he got consistently is with a ton of base units and Air HQs.

An invasion of India in any more normally progressing game should be a stalling and resource gathering measure similar to taking west OZ, but with the added HI of Calcutta and a bit of oil added in. A move that helps the economy more than hurts it and that buys time, kills Allied troops, and for which there is a defined limit so that the retreat is not too messy.


Very true, very true....

But being that true, i wonder why Steve isn't focusing on China that much... I think that if Japan wants to have a "phase 2" (being that every offensive plan once SRA and DEI are conquered and secured) with some chances of being succesfull, the conquest of China is a fundamental MUST-HAVE




Yes, China is a must for any Japanese player who wants to go long term and is not just shooting for autovictory. As an Allied player I can say that China does not need to be totally taken. Take or surround Chunking and the Allied supply situation becomes intolerable. until he retakes Rangoon he will not be able to fight an offensive campaign in China.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/28/2012 5:55:43 PM   
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2/3/42 and 2/4/42
 
NoPac:  Configuring Allied garrisons in the critical Coal Harbor/Prince Rupert/Victoria/Vancouver areas is now complete.  Due to terrain and other factors, I think Prince Rupert is an unproductive route for Steve in the short and medium term, and that's probably all that matters.  Same is close to being the case with Vancouver.  That leaves Coal Harbor and Victoria as vulnerable places.  Seattle has the lion's share of American AA units, though some of the nearby bases have some.  No sign of the KB.  It's been gone long enough to show up anywhere in the Pacific now.

SWPac:  No big Japanese moves yet in places like New Guinea and the lower Solomons.

Eastern DEI:  Advance Japanese units will reach Soerabaja in a week or less.  The Allies might have 175 AV to defend the base, so Steve will claim it fairly soon.  Still lots of activity around Timor/Darwin area.  Japanese TF of unknown composition in the IO south of Java perhaps heading for Padang, Sumatra, wtih supplies or reinforcements.  Allied carriers are in position to intercept, though I won't if it isn't worth revealing my location.  I may use the two RN carriers just to try to ruffle Steve feathers.

India Defenses:  A bucket load of American units just arrived at Capetown.  Two Marine regiments go to Karachi, a combat engineering unit to Bombay, a big Marine CD unit to Socatra, and a engineering unit to Diego Garcia.  Prince of Wales is in the Colombo yard for maintenance, with the rest of Force Z enroute to Sumatra to provide cover for the Oz division slated for western Sumatra.  I've about decided to proceed with that operation.

Clark Field:  The Allied garrison held against yet another shock attack spearhead yet again by a small parachute unit.  Steve's got to be chewing nails now.  The siege is beginning to reach the length of time that is completely unacceptable for him.  Eight divisions against the tattered fragments of the Allied army.  I am a bit irritated by him using a small para unit for the third time to try achieve 2:1 odds.  I didn't say anything this time, because I've simply decided I will make much more liberal use of my paratroops in the future in retaliation for his conduct (I usually only use paratroops to seize lightly held or vacant bases, not to drive down odds on major enemy bastions).

China:  Steve's on the move in various ways to test out the Allied MLR.  No action imminent yet, but it won't be too long now.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/28/2012 6:00:07 PM   
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Yes, China is a must for any Japanese player who wants to go long term and is not just shooting for autovictory. As an Allied player I can say that China does not need to be totally taken. Take or surround Chunking and the Allied supply situation becomes intolerable. until he retakes Rangoon he will not be able to fight an offensive campaign in China.


I can say I have had Rangoon for three months now Jun 43 and supplies are not enough in central China yet to sustain an offense. So not only does Rangoon have to be taken but some unknown length of time for the supplies to start propagating deep within China.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/28/2012 6:02:26 PM   
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Wow, Clark is really becoming an Alamo for PJH (a Pyrrhic victory, in other words). This game reinforces my perception it is best left to wither on the vine. It also shows that the firepower advantages of American forces should not be underestimated by the Japanese player, IMHO.

Well done.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/28/2012 6:07:30 PM   
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At the time of this latest Japanese shock attack, I think 4th Marine Regiment had an AV of about 19, which is pretty telling about the condition of the Allied forces.  Clark will fall soon, but as long as the base has supply it is a tough nut to crack.

You can probably see why I'll be able to sleep well at night with two Marine regiments in Karachi?

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/28/2012 8:20:26 PM   
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That is a major problem for him, Clark. That's exactly why spending resources to reduce it is not wise, IMO. 8 divisions now can't do it.....but wait 6 months, and a couple brigades can easily. You have to garrison Manila anyway, so what's the rush?

I respect Steve as an opponent alot, but I think that para-move is a little beyond the pale.......that's a pretty clear exploit of the game engine

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/29/2012 12:25:15 AM   
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2/5/42 and 2/6/42
 
NoPac:  Everything is quiet except continued SigInt of support troops bound for various bases.  Steve is bringing in alot of "clutter" but not, as yet, anything major.  He's too smart to think that Alaska and Canadian islands mean a thing in the game, except as a deception or for a prolonged strategic air campaign.  Since, for the latter, time is everyting and he is just twiddling his thumbs, I am of the opinion that NoPac is a feint.  I will keep my fighter squadrons and everything else ready until I can afford to stand them down or move them, but that's my developing hunch.  A sub missed a shot at BB Mutsu near Anchorage.

Oz:  Still the enemy activity around Darwin plus a bit around northern New Guinea.  My money is still here. Now that I've attended to India for several weeks and several weeks-worth of political points, I'll give more attention to Oz.  I'll buy out the 2nd battalion of 27th Div. at Los Angeles in the near future and ship her to Melbourne via Queen Mary, which is repairining SYS damage at LA as we speak.

DEI:  The vanguard Japanese unit or units should reach Soerabaja in a day or two.  Naval support is ashore at Cocos, so I'm hoping I can get the shore guns ashore now.  Australian brigades will arrive at Sabang in two or three days.  The RAF will be present to provide fighter cover and Force Z will handle things at sea.

China:  Four IJ divisions roughed up several Chinese units outside Changsha.  This looks like the main vector for Steve's China offensive.


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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/29/2012 7:29:42 PM   
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Luzon:  Nuts!  Clark Field yielded on a 2:1 Japanese attack.  The garrison held heroically, but every day it continued to hold was like manna...or water to a man in a parched land.  Suddenly I have to worry about where six or seven or eight Japanese divisions will go.

Where To?:  So where does the Japanese Army go now?  My money is on Oz.  China is my second guess.  India is a relatively remote longshot.  I consider Hawaii and West Coast highly improbable.

NoPac: Quiet.

CenPac:  Yorktown and Saratoga have been sliding southward for several days.  This is part of my evaluation that the Japanese NoPac activity is most likely a deception.  The carriers will continue to the Tahiti region, where I'll have to make a firm decision whether to send them to Oz or hold them just in case their fighters are needed in CONUS.

SWPac:  Japan is landing at Milne Bay.

Oz:  The second regiment of 27th Div. will be purchased at LA in one or two days.  It will then board Queen Mary and sprint for Melbourne.  I also decided yesterday to withold the Aussie divison that was moving for western Sumatra.  It would be steamrolled if Steve committed a bunch of divsions there.  Instead, I'll hold it aboard ship south of Cocos Island, from whence it can move to Oz or India, whichever might seem emperiled.

Indian Ocean:  Ent and Lex are on station near Cocos.  The RN carriers are drifting towards Ceylong to refuel.

Burma:  A small IJA unit took Schwebo, cutting the route of retreat for a bunch of small Allied units, though I'm not concerned yet.  Steve doesn't have much and the Allies will stick and fight as best they can and, if necessary, try to melt into the jungle.

China:  Still waiting to see if Steve seriously threatens the Chinese MLR.  I think he has big plans here, but I'm not positive yet.  He even sent 27th Div. way around to the north, but I know where it is and where it's going and I can position several units in very tough terrain to fight in.  I would think IJA units way out in the desert and wilderness would be low on supply.



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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/29/2012 8:24:51 PM   
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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/29/2012 9:07:20 PM   
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American cryptographers have cracked the "Natalie is on!" message.

Natalie refers to the actress Natalie Portman.  So Japan is going to attack a port, man!

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/29/2012 9:17:06 PM   
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Natalie refers to the actress Natalie Portman.  So Japan is going to attack a port, man!


LOL

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/29/2012 9:23:14 PM   
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Dan, say your last post with a Shaggie from Scooby Doo accent. Try it. You'll laugh for hours.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/29/2012 9:23:49 PM   
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Ditto, Greyjoy!
For readers not familiar with PzJH, he uses a striking picture of Natalie Portman as his avatar.
That doesn't mean CR is wrong about the port attack though!

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/29/2012 9:26:17 PM   
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Dan, say your last post with a Shaggie from Scooby Doo accent. Try it. You'll laugh for hours.

It made me think of Laugh-in's "Hippie-dippie weatherman with the hippie-dippie weather, man."

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/30/2012 4:00:33 PM   
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I half expected my "it'll be a port, man!" comment to be preiscient (spelling?) and to find the KB raining terror upon Pearl Harbor today.  But the turn was delightfully quiet.

NoPac:  Lots more SigInt about units bound for Cold Bay and Juneau etc., but quite up here today.  I did shift some shipping around and begin to draw down the numbers in the souther ports as I begin to contemplate the likelihood of a Japanese move against Oz.

CenPac:  Another damaged BB departs Pearl tonight, most likely making for East Coast, though I might divert her to Los Angeles if it becomes clear that the KB isn't around.

Oz:  Japan took Daly Waters and is landing at Derby.  I should be able to buy 27th/B Div. and ship it to Melbourne via Queen Mary in no more than another two days.  Five or six fighter squadrons are enroute to Adelaide from Capetown, with five or six already in place.  Oz is not naked.  If it becomes clear that India might be the target, I have a few weeks to divert.

Indian Ocean: Quiet.

China:  Two IJA divisions are heading the long way around towards the cities behind Sian.  They have a LONG way to go and I have plenty of time and interior lines to shift to meet that threat.  It won't develop for at least a month, maybe two, and I have mountains terrrain in that area, so I don't see what Steve is doing.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/30/2012 6:55:30 PM   
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Where To?:  So where does the Japanese Army go now?  My money is on Oz.  China is my second guess.  India is a relatively remote longshot.  I consider Hawaii and West Coast highly improbable.



Burma:  A small IJA unit took Schwebo, cutting the route of retreat for a bunch of small Allied units, though I'm not concerned yet.  Steve doesn't have much and the Allies will stick and fight as best they can and, if necessary, try to melt into the jungle.




Some of those units could be going to Burma. A tried and tested strategy is to sucker the Allied player into not expecting that not very much will happen here.

In my opinion Burma is of vital importance to Japan, both as a springboard into India, and also as a prime defensive line. The one thing that that is driving me in my present campaign, is to drive the oilwells in Burma out of strategic bomber range from India by the Allies.

Australia is a dead end for the Japanese.
If your opponent starts to extend his grip southwards via Fiji, Samoa etc, you can be pretty sure he is attempting to strangle Australia by other means.

If those units start turning up in Burma, you could have the fight of your life on your hands!!


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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/30/2012 9:59:21 PM   
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Have you managed to draw some supplies into China?

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 7/1/2012 1:21:49 PM   
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JocMeister, I'm not sure from your question if you are trying to draw supplies into China down the Burma Trail and having problems with it or not, but based on the assumption that you are experiencing problems, I'd say this:

In my current game (at May 2, '42), I still have the Trail open and have had great success drawing supplies out of Burma into cemtal and southern China.  It has paid dividends in enabling the Chinese to rebuild units faster and to accumulate supplies fo r more attacks than normal.  However, I will tell you it takes some patience (or a player better than me that really knows how to use those supply draw toggle switches).  If you start by drawing supply out of Rangoon, thru Mandalay, into far south China, you will see a slow accumulation of supply sort of pipelining to the north as you manage the supply draw to the next base.  At this point, I have drawn a LOT of supply all the way to Ichang and Changsha.  The only place (I still hold) I have not figured out how to get supply to via this method is Kukong.

You can enhance the process by flying supply in from Ledo to Parsan CH (sp?) or even deeper into China.

Off course, doing this to a major extent requires a steady flow of supply into Rangoon by sea.

But, if you are trying this supply draw method, be patient as it takes a couple of months for it to begin to really show up as major infusions of supply in Chinese bases.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 7/2/2012 3:44:51 PM   
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PH is away this week, so I have one turn in the in box to tide me over through Saturday.  In the interim, I will go through all the accumuled SigInt reports to glean what I can.  I should have done so turn by turn, but the situation in the game allowed me some latitude to postpone that until Clark Field fell.  Here's some of the things I'll be looking for and my general inclinations:

China:  We have at least two IJA divisions moving aruond the far north perimeter, plus other units sighted in the Vietnamese jungle coming from the south.  I am nearly positive the Steve plans a big play in China.  I'll know more when I see what he does with those eight divisions at Clark Field.

NoPac:  Steve is committing units to NoPac, possibly to prepare for a strategic bombing campaign, but possibly just as a feint.  The Allies have already sent away the two carriers that had served as a strategic reserve and also just withdrew four or five fighter squadrons to conserve PP that will be needed to defend Oz or India.  The decision to do these two things suggests that I'm increasingly inclined to the opinoin that NoPac is an IJ deception.  I do have enough fighters to handle this very-slow-in-developing threat should it ever materialize.  Before he can mount a credible threat, Steve has to take Coal Harbor and possibly or probably either or both of Victoria and Prince Rupert.  I'll be looking for signs of aggression or commitment of major infantry units that might indicate such a move or moves is imminent.

CenPac:  I have not dismissed the possibilty of a Japanese invasion of Hawaii - so I'm trying to get my damaged BBs out of Pearl and somewhere safe as soon as possible.

Oz:  I think Steve will come here in a major way.  I'll be watching for evidence that he's ready to commit division-sized units.

India:  If most of the Clark Field IJA divisions head somewhere south, east or north, there is no longer any threat posed to India.  That would free up Allied assets to handle the Burma frontier and Oz.  The Allies will also try, if possible, to preserve their hold on key islands in the Indian Ocean.  If India is free of serious threat, two American infantry regiments at Capetown can be sent to Oz, or to Cocos Island and Oz.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 7/2/2012 5:40:18 PM   
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Canoe, just a thought, but why leave the US regiments in Capetown?  Would it not be better to deploy them to India or Ceylon immediately?  If he does come toward India, the KB will make deploying these units to a useful on map position very hazardous if they remain in Capetown.  Further, if he does not come that way, those regiments will be much closer to any threatened location and available for possible redeployment much faster.

I agree that the tell will be where those 8 Div (or at least the majority of them) go from the Philipines.  I do hope your now more effective subs are off Manila Bay and other Luzon ports of extraction, ready to extract a high toll when they sail.  Good hunting and good luck.

Very interesting game as usual.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 7/2/2012 6:05:19 PM   
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I have quite a few subs around Manila Bay, but I also have them at a variety of other critical choke points, so it's not like I've emplaced a massive wolfpack.

The regiments are at Capetown because they are still restricted.  I need PP to buy them, but they are pretty expensive (600 PP each).  So first I'm planning to buy out 27th Div/B and 27th Div/C (at Lost Angeles) as they are more affordable.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 7/2/2012 10:15:13 PM   
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2/9/42
 
NoPac:  IJA 2nd Division arrives at Anchorage.  The ensuing shock attack only gets 1:1 vs. a badly-outnumbered and low-on-supply American garrison.  The Japanese lose heavily disproportionate casualties.  This is an intersting development, but my hunch is that Steve has had his fill and more with NoPac tough-to-crack garrisons.  I still think this is a feint.

DEI:  IJ landing at Siberoet Island, off the southwestern coast of Sumatra.  This is interesting too.  This is one of the places that would permit and enhance a move on India.

China:  I think I'm beginning to see how Steve wants to handle China.  It's too complicated to get into, but I think it involves trying to trap a sizeable part of the Chiense army in the forests east of Sian while he perhaps takes a more southernly route to threaten Ankang.  I"ll have to weight between retiring to keep the bulk of my army between him and Chungking or, instead, coming behind him and threatening to cut off his own army.  Sometime in the next month or so, I expect to see some of his Clark Field army thrown into the mix.

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