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QATARRA DEPRESSION_Mod (Question for Doom- 5/04/2012) - 4/4/2012 1:41:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		A mod that adds Qatarra depression in Egypt (impassible terrain)

It was made only with water.

If you, guys, want to have a realistic graph terrain effect for the depression, please : note all the coordinates (x,y) of Qattara depression hex on the map in the game and post the list here. With this list (that I have no time to do), I will create eyecandies.CSV file and eyecandies.png file for adapt the "lookk" and replace sea graph by some cool special graph for the depression.

This mod includes the USA territory mod.

It works only with the 1939 grand campaign scenario (not German Grand Campaign)

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RE: QATARRA DEPRESSION_Mod - 4/4/2012 1:43:01 PM   
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RE: QATARRA DEPRESSION_Mod - 4/4/2012 2:29:24 PM   
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RE: QATARRA DEPRESSION_Mod - 4/4/2012 3:17:55 PM   
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agreed.
MASSIVE POTENTIAL.
bloody frustrating

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RE: QATARRA DEPRESSION_Mod - 4/4/2012 3:21:38 PM   
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RE: QATARRA DEPRESSION_Mod - 4/4/2012 5:19:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Of course.But if some guys want that sort of feature, they will have to work a few for that and to give me the list of all coordinates of all qatarra depression hex they can see in the game, at the top of the screen (I will not do this list myself, no time for that and not pleasure to do that). If someone gives me this complete list, I will just have to copy it and to do the modding work in CSV and png files.

Please, if someone do that : needed in this form (to allow copy-past more easy :

15 56
16 46
34 52

etc etc

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RE: QATARRA DEPRESSION_Mod - 4/4/2012 5:48:26 PM   
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Nice mod. Thanks for making it available.

Uxbridge once created the impassible Qattara buy making those hexes owned by a minor country that would never be played. Did the same for many of the Cyranaica plateau and scarp hexes west of Tobruk.

What is the USA mod?

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RE: QATARRA DEPRESSION_Mod - 4/4/2012 5:54:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Perhaps you should try the map with other scenarios (not tried myself) [Edited : Yes, I verified, you are right : so, it seems that the map will work for all european sceanrios = great)]

Concerning the mod, it would be improved If someone gave me the list of hex of qattara depression as they appearsin the game (and list of all hex players want to have as "impassible"). With this list, I will create eyescandies CSV and Png to have better graph for the mad, than this blue water. Perhaps Iwill do myself the list, but no time actually.

The USA territory is a little mod that modify the aspect of Us territory (no longer geometric territory, but more "geographical"

see here
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3072439


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RE: QATARRA DEPRESSION_Mod - 4/4/2012 7:27:01 PM   
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RE: QATARRA DEPRESSION_Mod - 4/5/2012 5:25:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		As you roll the cursor over the map in the editor you get the hex coordinates.
Should be easy for you.
I stopped counting hexes when I went through and found every invading hex along the entire coast of Europe

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RE: QATARRA DEPRESSION_Mod - 4/5/2012 5:46:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		If I remember correctly there was a pass through the depression. Also you can go South of it.

So I suggest re-making the map with one hex through it and the ability to go South of it.

This would also enhance game play.

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RE: QATARRA DEPRESSION_Mod - 4/5/2012 9:08:30 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Agent S

As you roll the cursor over the map in the editor you get the hex coordinates.
Should be easy for you.


Yes, I know that. But want not to do it myself, too long and I have a lot of thing to do (to read the manuel, to study others scenarios and mods to learn more, to finish my classic wargame mod, to improve qatarra mod, to do SS unit mod,etc etc). If someone could do that in place of me and post the list, would be great. It takes not long time but I have not actually.

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RE: QATARRA DEPRESSION_Mod - 4/5/2012 9:10:06 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Razz

If I remember correctly there was a pass through the depression. Also you can go South of it.

So I suggest re-making the map with one hex through it and the ability to go South of it.

This would also enhance game play.


Ok, thanks for info. Could you, please, in addition, upload here a little map with the "impassible" hex that were be asked in thread above (Cyranaica plateau and scarp hexeswest of Tobruk).



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RE: QATARRA DEPRESSION_Mod - 4/5/2012 1:58:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Doom, could you please take a look about the following ?

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RE: QATARRA DEPRESSION_Mod - 4/5/2012 2:06:25 PM   
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The pb is that :

To cover my qattara water depression (in attached scenario), I have made 4 eyecandies in one of the eyecandies file of the vanilla game. I setted the depth sprite to 0 for water, 3 for beachs and 2 for my eyecandies. So, the eyescandies should cover the water and should be covred by beachs, right ?

But I see strange effects in game, as result :
1/ The eyecandies that appears is one placed in other coordinates that coordinates setted in csv (Eycandies settes 1-0 should appears, and not the one that appears.
2/The eyecandies do not cover the entire qattarra depression ( that is what it asked in CSV file, therefore : I entered all coordinates of the hex of qattarra depression)

What is wrong ?

Eyecandies file and depth Csv follow in nex thread

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RE: QATARRA DEPRESSION_Mod - 4/5/2012 2:12:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here are the eyecandies file and the depth sprite file (I use that with the classic wargame mod, but it may be used with other mod)

Then, to make a verification, I setted eyecandies with high value (20 in place of 2) , and the same strange effects occured. Any explanation for that ?

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RE: QATARRA DEPRESSION_Mod - 4/5/2012 2:13:31 PM   
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RE: QATARRA DEPRESSION_Mod - 4/5/2012 7:49:06 PM   
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RE: QATARRA DEPRESSION_Mod - 4/5/2012 8:16:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		But please, could you try try with my classic mod file (version 2.0 updated on the forum) to verify : on my PC, with this classic wargame mod, the pb occurs, that's I do not understand. I must be wrong somewhere, but Where ? I do not find.

I tried to play in a other mod on my Pc, and I have also the same pb : only the north part of depression is covered, the rest is graph water. I must have done a mistake somewhere, but I can not see where exactly. My eyecandies.png and CSV are ok, my depth sprite too. Don't know the reason, so would be interessant you try with my mod.

How I proceed is that : After installation of my mod and installation of the scenarion 1939_Qattarra, I copy the eyecandies.png and the depth sprite in the SKIN MAP(WELK CLASSIC MOD FOLDER). And when I play, the pb occurs.



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RE: QATARRA DEPRESSION_Mod - 4/5/2012 8:38:55 PM   
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RE: QATARRA DEPRESSION_Mod - 4/5/2012 8:51:43 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Razz

If I remember correctly there was a pass through the depression. Also you can go South of it.

So I suggest re-making the map with one hex through it and the ability to go South of it.

This would also enhance game play.



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RE: QATARRA DEPRESSION_Mod - 4/5/2012 8:51:56 PM   
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again seems to be fine

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RE: QATARRA DEPRESSION_Mod - 4/5/2012 8:54:05 PM   
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RE: QATARRA DEPRESSION_Mod - 4/5/2012 8:56:08 PM   
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I suspect the pb comes perhaps from the editor : the pb seems concern only hex that were not mountains before, but desert, if you see.

So, it's why I think it would be good (if you can do that) to install my classic wargame mod and after that, to try the quattarra mod files with, to see if the pb occurs with your PC. Somethings is bad for 2 ways : the entire depression is not covered, and the eyecandies thatappears is not with the good coordinates (I made a big red "?" on the bad eyecandies that appears in place of others, that have not the red "?"). It's very curious, I hhave no explanation for that


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RE: QATARRA DEPRESSION_Mod - 4/5/2012 9:24:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		I tried your files and the pb occurs again.

To be sure for 100% to havbe exactly the same files, I have sent to you the complete graph files of my classic mod Version 2.0 and the complete files of the qattara scenario. The depth sprite and the eyecandies adapted for qattarra are always in the skin-classic mod, you have just to copy the 2 directories in the concerned folder to have exactly the same configuration I have on my own PC.

If pb occurs not on your PC, I do not see the reason, except a pb with the editor on my PC (but curious) : as I said to you, the pb seems concern only the hex of desert I have changed in water with the editor ( the pre-existing mountains hex that I changed in editor for water are covered by eyecandies, the others ex-desert hexagone are not).

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RE: QATARRA DEPRESSION_Mod - 4/5/2012 9:27:20 PM   
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RE: QATARRA DEPRESSION_Mod - 4/5/2012 9:35:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you considera scenario non worked for qattarra (and without the eyecandies in the skin map folder = a "normal scenario, you see that the mountain hex in Egypt are exactly the hex that are covered in the qattarra scenario.




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RE: QATARRA DEPRESSION_Mod - 4/5/2012 9:35:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		SO, the link of relation is evident, but not the error I have no idea about the origin of that

I have made a verification in the editor and in game : the non covered hex are water (code 0) exactly as the others covered, no difference between them for parameters

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RE: QATARRA DEPRESSION_Mod - 4/5/2012 9:48:02 PM   
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RE: QATARRA DEPRESSION_Mod - 4/5/2012 9:50:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, I used these exact files. And the same files are in the winrar I am sending to you (my e-mail is slow, they will go in few minutes)

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