Matrix Games Forums

A look through the keyhole #10!The Age of Shadows on Distant Worlds starts now!Paypal System UpdateDistant Worlds: Shadows Final Teaser!Distant Worlds: Legends gets Updated!Recruiting Testers for Commander: the Great War on Mac!Armageddon invasion starts in 2014Command Rommels Panzers in Battle Academy!Servers UpdateThe Deal goes Fourth!		 Forums  Register  Login  Photo Gallery  Member List  Search  Calendars  FAQ 

My Profile  Inbox  Address Book  My Subscription  My Forums  Log Out

RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80

 
View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
Users viewing this topic: none
  Printable Version
All Forums >> [New Releases from Matrix Games] >> Gary Grigsby's War in the East Series >> After Action Reports >> RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 Page: <<   < prev  7 8 [9] 10 11   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/3/2012 10:46:44 AM   
glvaca

 

Posts: 1109
Joined: 6/13/2006
Status: offline 		Destroyed units




Attachment (1)

(in reply to glvaca)
Post #: 241
RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/3/2012 10:47:27 AM   
glvaca

 

Posts: 1109
Joined: 6/13/2006
Status: offline 		And finally, production. ARM's are still plentiful so I must be doing *something* right




Attachment (1)

(in reply to glvaca)
Post #: 242
RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/3/2012 3:35:22 PM   
Scook_99

 

Posts: 256
Joined: 6/20/2007
Status: offline 		You fight like a Russian! Your losses are painful, but not critical yet. The hardest time will be right after the mud, the November offensive; I often do my best work then, and take the steam out of those Blizzard offensives. Since he is not trying to cross the Oka, I would assume he will try to snap off the troopers you have north and west of Moscow. I wish I could give you better advice, but I tend to play as Axis most every game (even though I am an equal opportunist). Dig in as best as possible, and try to keep the flanks wide and deep. Oh, do the same in the other areas too. I would think though, keeping your armies intact at this stage of the game are most important, the cities you lose now you should be able to take back come December.

You have the making of a tremendous game here, this is balancing on the blade of a knife. Good luck, and may Providence smile upon you.

(in reply to glvaca)
Post #: 243
RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/3/2012 5:58:52 PM   
Flaviusx


Posts: 5752
Joined: 9/9/2009
Status: offline 		I think he stripped the south of armor. I'd be marching forward from Rostov and slamming into all that infantry before it gets dug in.

Am not impressed by his hey diddle diddle up the middle approach to Moscow. It virtually guarantees that this push is just a raid. Even if he takes it, he can't hold it through winter. In order to do that he needs to clear out the entire area, not just stick his nose into the city and leave the flanks gathering strength.

< Message edited by Flaviusx -- 4/3/2012 6:02:59 PM >

_____________________________

WitE Alpha Tester

(in reply to Scook_99)
Post #: 244
RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/3/2012 7:33:34 PM   
M60A3TTS

 

Posts: 786
Joined: 5/13/2011
Status: offline 		Agree with Flavius on Moscow.  From the looks of things, he could have caved in the defensive line north of there much easier.

< Message edited by M60A3TTS -- 4/3/2012 8:48:37 PM >

(in reply to Flaviusx)
Post #: 245
RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/3/2012 7:56:07 PM   
Q-Ball


Posts: 5266
Joined: 6/25/2002
From: Chicago, Illinois
Status: offline 		Hopefully you moved the IL-2 factories from Voronezh?

And if you haven't yet, move all aircraft from Moscow, there is alot there

(in reply to M60A3TTS)
Post #: 246
RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/3/2012 8:49:52 PM   
M60A3TTS

 

Posts: 786
Joined: 5/13/2011
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

Hopefully you moved the IL-2 factories from Voronezh?

And if you haven't yet, move all aircraft from Moscow, there is alot there


I wouldn't bother with the MiG-3s though. They stop prod in December.

(in reply to Q-Ball)
Post #: 247
RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/3/2012 9:09:37 PM   
Schmart

 

Posts: 552
Joined: 9/13/2010
From: Canada
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Flaviusx


quote:

ORIGINAL: randallw

I'm seeing Soviet players have a total of tank + mech corps at about 40, so for that target 'throwing away' tank brigades will require more than just a few tank/motor/mech brigades to be raised up.


That's about what I build as well, but note that mech corps don't use tank brigades.

You will have more tank brigades than you know what to do with. Trust me on this.


Historically, the Russians kept a large number of independent Tank brigades. The game doesn't provide enough Tank Bdes to build/maintain the historical number of Tank Corps and independent Tank Bdes.

(in reply to Flaviusx)
Post #: 248
RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/3/2012 9:19:43 PM   
glvaca

 

Posts: 1109
Joined: 6/13/2006
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Scook_99

You fight like a Russian! Your losses are painful, but not critical yet. The hardest time will be right after the mud, the November offensive; I often do my best work then, and take the steam out of those Blizzard offensives. Since he is not trying to cross the Oka, I would assume he will try to snap off the troopers you have north and west of Moscow. I wish I could give you better advice, but I tend to play as Axis most every game (even though I am an equal opportunist). Dig in as best as possible, and try to keep the flanks wide and deep. Oh, do the same in the other areas too. I would think though, keeping your armies intact at this stage of the game are most important, the cities you lose now you should be able to take back come December.

You have the making of a tremendous game here, this is balancing on the blade of a knife. Good luck, and may Providence smile upon you.


Very astute observations! The game is currently at turn 24, almost Blizzard, and you come quite close to predicting what has happened. Won't spoil the fun though, but it has been a real nail biter for me.

(in reply to Scook_99)
Post #: 249
RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/3/2012 9:21:44 PM   
glvaca

 

Posts: 1109
Joined: 6/13/2006
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Flaviusx

I think he stripped the south of armor. I'd be marching forward from Rostov and slamming into all that infantry before it gets dug in.

Am not impressed by his hey diddle diddle up the middle approach to Moscow. It virtually guarantees that this push is just a raid. Even if he takes it, he can't hold it through winter. In order to do that he needs to clear out the entire area, not just stick his nose into the city and leave the flanks gathering strength.


I considered it, but I'm not really that stong and I'm happy to leave things as they are, besides, my attention is rivited on Moscow (and to a lesser extent and unexpectedly also Voronezh) it's the center piece of my whole campaign.

(in reply to Flaviusx)
Post #: 250
RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/3/2012 9:23:47 PM   
glvaca

 

Posts: 1109
Joined: 6/13/2006
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS

Agree with Flavius on Moscow.  From the looks of things, he could have caved in the defensive line north of there much easier.


Perhaps afer he made the large pocket it would have been better for him to move North, I agree. Still, he may not have been in a very good position to do so fuel wise, or he just thought he could outflank me, as he tried with the Bryansk front. If that would have happened, it would have been very difficult to hold him back.

Anyway, quite happy he didn't!

(in reply to M60A3TTS)
Post #: 251
RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/3/2012 9:25:30 PM   
glvaca

 

Posts: 1109
Joined: 6/13/2006
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

Hopefully you moved the IL-2 factories from Voronezh?

And if you haven't yet, move all aircraft from Moscow, there is alot there


Unfortunately I was unable to move anything from Voronezh, he locked it in a blitz move.

I decided against moving the factories in N-Moscow and the Moscow hex, it's a gamble I know...

(in reply to Q-Ball)
Post #: 252
RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/4/2012 3:21:16 AM   
randallw

 

Posts: 1928
Joined: 9/2/2010
Status: offline 		Sometimes a Soviet player can make a mini sacrifice and move a single factory of a specific weapons type; it'll take time for the factory to grow to max size at the new location but it'll make more rail cap available for whatever else needs to be moved.

(in reply to glvaca)
Post #: 253
RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/6/2012 10:08:05 AM   
glvaca

 

Posts: 1109
Joined: 6/13/2006
Status: offline 		TURN 16

Before Soviet moves, Center, Close up.
3 Divisions in fort level 3, of Vatutin's 10th Army are unable to stop or delay the German offensive. The defeat opens the way for infiltration to the South of Moscow.
In the North, 2 or 3 hexes are gained and Moscow is now in accute danger of being encircled.
1 more turn to mud, it's going to be close.





Attachment (1)

(in reply to randallw)
Post #: 254
RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/6/2012 10:08:30 AM   
glvaca

 

Posts: 1109
Joined: 6/13/2006
Status: offline 		Center, overview.




Attachment (1)

(in reply to glvaca)
Post #: 255
RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/6/2012 10:13:56 AM   
glvaca

 

Posts: 1109
Joined: 6/13/2006
Status: offline 		South, overview




Attachment (1)

(in reply to glvaca)
Post #: 256
RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/6/2012 10:15:24 AM   
glvaca

 

Posts: 1109
Joined: 6/13/2006
Status: offline 		Rostov, close up. All quiet and happy to leave it like this. I'm not strong enough to go on the offensive just yet. So, I'm left with building up defenses and gathering strength.




Attachment (1)

(in reply to glvaca)
Post #: 257
RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/6/2012 10:16:35 AM   
glvaca

 

Posts: 1109
Joined: 6/13/2006
Status: offline 		Voronezh, close up. He dashes across the Voronezh river. This is getting dangerous!




Attachment (1)

(in reply to glvaca)
Post #: 258
RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/6/2012 10:23:57 AM   
glvaca

 

Posts: 1109
Joined: 6/13/2006
Status: offline 		Soviet moves. Center, close up.

Judging the risk too high for an encirclement on the right flank, I withdraw behind the Moskva-Volga Canal.
I give up a couple of hexes on the right flank as well. Bryansk front is getting stretched and I need more troops in the center of the line.
Battered elements of Western Fronts 4th Army and Kalinin Front's 49th Army are railed out 10+ hexes for R&R.
1 more turn before mud and I'm feeling reasonably secure.




Attachment (1)

(in reply to glvaca)
Post #: 259
RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/6/2012 10:24:29 AM   
glvaca

 

Posts: 1109
Joined: 6/13/2006
Status: offline 		Center Overview




Attachment (1)

(in reply to glvaca)
Post #: 260
RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/6/2012 10:30:03 AM   
glvaca

 

Posts: 1109
Joined: 6/13/2006
Status: offline 		In the Voronezh Area, 16th and 19th Armies are attached to the Wolga MD (previously to Urals MD) to avoid to high penalties because of mixing units. I don't have the AP's to sort it out as I'm basically spending most on building forts around Moscow in an effort to build lvl 3 forts. Incidentally, I see a major difference in German losses versus lvl 2 forts. A lvl 3 means approx equal losses, while lvl 2 is about 1/3rd to 1/2 losses for the German.

Anyway, I shore up the defenses around Voronzeh, more units are railed in. Lastly, I pray




Attachment (1)

(in reply to glvaca)
Post #: 261
RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/6/2012 10:32:08 AM   
glvaca

 

Posts: 1109
Joined: 6/13/2006
Status: offline 		Finally, Overview South. He's really pushing his units as far forward as he can. Obviously, he's trying to gain as much turf as possible to give room to fall back. I'm not quite sure if he's not pushing it too far. Sure, he's annoying me. Sure, he's destroying RR's and taking a few towns. But there is a fine line between just enough, and too much...




Attachment (1)

(in reply to glvaca)
Post #: 262
RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/6/2012 10:42:25 AM   
glvaca

 

Posts: 1109
Joined: 6/13/2006
Status: offline 		TURN 17

Before Soviet moves, Center.
I can hardly believe it, he managed to actually isolate Moscow but did not have the movement to actually follow up and create a real pocket.

I think it is fair to say that if there would be one more clear weather turn, or if I would not have been able to relieve the Rzhev pocket, Moscow would have been lost...
But that is the past! Moscow holds! But it truely must be with the narrowest margins, ever!




Attachment (1)

(in reply to glvaca)
Post #: 263
RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/6/2012 10:45:25 AM   
glvaca

 

Posts: 1109
Joined: 6/13/2006
Status: offline 		Voronezh, close up.
Eventhough he makes some headway, Voronezh holds, at least till mud.




Attachment (1)

(in reply to glvaca)
Post #: 264
RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/6/2012 10:47:36 AM   
glvaca

 

Posts: 1109
Joined: 6/13/2006
Status: offline 		Whole Front:




Attachment (1)

(in reply to glvaca)
Post #: 265
RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/6/2012 10:58:58 AM   
glvaca

 

Posts: 1109
Joined: 6/13/2006
Status: offline 		Soviet Moves.
With Mud around the Corner I rail out as many divisions as I possibly can to start the process of refitting and regaining morale for the upcoming fight during Snow and, later, Blizzard.
I'm not out the woods yet in Moscow or Voronezh and, especially around Moscow & the Northern front, once strong units are badly depleted and low on morale...




Attachment (1)

(in reply to glvaca)
Post #: 266
RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/6/2012 11:02:47 AM   
glvaca

 

Posts: 1109
Joined: 6/13/2006
Status: offline 		In the Center, I re-occupy the lost hexes East of Moscow and build several FZ, with 3 RR brigades attached, for maximum digging. It's mud, so I know it will be slow but I must try to dig as deep as possible. There's no doubt in my mind that come Snow, he'll be attacking again in full strength.





Attachment (1)

(in reply to glvaca)
Post #: 267
RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/6/2012 11:06:56 AM   
glvaca

 

Posts: 1109
Joined: 6/13/2006
Status: offline 		South Overview.
Several armies are moves out of the line for R&R. Many divs are below 50 morale and this is the perfect time to try and improve on this.
Finally, after months in the thick of it, most Cav divisions are pulled out of the line in preparation for their transformation to Cav Corps.




Attachment (1)

(in reply to glvaca)
Post #: 268
RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/6/2012 11:08:02 AM   
glvaca

 

Posts: 1109
Joined: 6/13/2006
Status: offline 		OOB




Attachment (1)

(in reply to glvaca)
Post #: 269
RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/6/2012 11:08:26 AM   
glvaca

 

Posts: 1109
Joined: 6/13/2006
Status: offline 		Ground Losses




Attachment (1)

(in reply to glvaca)
Post #: 270
Page:   <<   < prev  7 8 [9] 10 11   next >   >>
All Forums >> [New Releases from Matrix Games] >> Gary Grigsby's War in the East Series >> After Action Reports >> RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 Page: <<   < prev  7 8 [9] 10 11   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts


Forum Software © ASPPlayground.NET Advanced Edition 2.4.5 ANSI

0.188