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RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/14/2012 11:14:14 AM   
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RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/14/2012 11:19:02 AM   
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I don't have any designs there really, supply situation is just too bad.




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RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/14/2012 11:19:22 AM   
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RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/14/2012 11:19:44 AM   
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RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/14/2012 11:20:10 AM   
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RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/14/2012 2:39:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting, the OOB indicates he is protecting the minor Axis Allies, letting the Germans take the brunt of the beatings. Congratulations for drawing his motorised forces out into the cold too! The size of your army is becoming precipitously large. Your losses are not even 3 million yet! There will be lots of medals to hand out in February, as March may bring some changes. If you are wholly evil, like me, rotate good troopers (aka Guards) out of the front into the rear to gain morale and experience. Leave the rabble up front to take the initial blows. Take special note of German divisions you can get to rout. Often a German commander has too many problems, so those troops will stay in the line approximately where you break them. They create special soft spots in his lines. If you can hide your large and formidable army long enough, and let him stretch out, you can probe and find the soft spots, and choose carefully where to attack at the right times. If you don't break his Sj80's morale this winter, often that will do it enough to make your opponent resign.

Lesson learned to me! Regardless of taking objectives, the Soviet Army must be punished! 4 million casualties before December. Losing Leningrad and Moscow but not severely wounding the Bear means the objectives are meaningless.

Well played, sir.

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RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/15/2012 11:31:08 AM   
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Interesting, the OOB indicates he is protecting the minor Axis Allies, letting the Germans take the brunt of the beatings. Congratulations for drawing his motorised forces out into the cold too! The size of your army is becoming precipitously large. Your losses are not even 3 million yet! There will be lots of medals to hand out in February, as March may bring some changes. If you are wholly evil, like me, rotate good troopers (aka Guards) out of the front into the rear to gain morale and experience. Leave the rabble up front to take the initial blows. Take special note of German divisions you can get to rout. Often a German commander has too many problems, so those troops will stay in the line approximately where you break them. They create special soft spots in his lines. If you can hide your large and formidable army long enough, and let him stretch out, you can probe and find the soft spots, and choose carefully where to attack at the right times. If you don't break his Sj80's morale this winter, often that will do it enough to make your opponent resign.

Lesson learned to me! Regardless of taking objectives, the Soviet Army must be punished! 4 million casualties before December. Losing Leningrad and Moscow but not severely wounding the Bear means the objectives are meaningless.

Well played, sir.


Hi Scook, thanks for the compliment.
I'm not sure I agree with your conclusion completely though. It seems many people are in need of generalization and rules of thumb to make sense of it "all". I would put forth that much more depends on strategy and tactics than many people are willing to give the game credit for. For example, your conclusion that you need 4 million Soviet casualties or your toast as the German is, IMO, just not true. What I believe is the correct conclusion is that as the German, if you fail to have those 4 million, you need to adjust your strategy for Blizzard accordingly. Failing to do so could spell dissaster, but even so, there will be German players out their who can defend in such a way as to make it very difficult for the Soviet to have a good blizzard.

Simply put, there is much more player impact than people are willing to give to give the game credit for. It's much easier to shout the game is unbalanced than to face up to the possibility you may be doing something wrong OR, your opponent may be doing everything right. Human nature is just like that...

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RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/15/2012 5:00:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Quick question, I know this has been asked before but I simply can't remember, what are considered the best SU's for Tank Corps?
It's always said that the brittle nature of the Tank Corps is because they lack infantry, would be usefull to attach only infantry type units?

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RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/15/2012 5:52:09 PM   
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Status: online 		I normally attach sapper regiments and MG-arty support units to try and strengthen the tank corps. This seems to match what you have heard concerning assigning infantry units to the tank corps. Great AAR by the way!

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RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/15/2012 10:05:38 PM   
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I normally attach sapper regiments and MG-arty support units to try and strengthen the tank corps. This seems to match what you have heard concerning assigning infantry units to the tank corps. Great AAR by the way!


So 1 sapper regiment, or 2 regiments? And an MG, looks good, do you see a difference in their defensive performance?

Thanks!

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RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/16/2012 11:16:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Two sapper regiments per all types of corps. For the "third" SU:

a) Later on, medium and heavy SU's ( SU 122 ans SU 152)

b) Tank battalions for rifle corps ( if your pool is up to it).

Boutique third SU's to be maximized: Flame tanks ( build them as your pool will allow ), and Heavy Tank Battalions ( as your pool will alllow as these seem to auto upgrade to Guards and Regiments).

Avoid artillery units which will compete for the tubes needs in your Artillery Divisions.

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RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/16/2012 11:47:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the tips, Farfarer.
Any idea how sapper regs compare versus MG-Bat. when it comes to defensive combat effects? Those MG bat. have a large amount of MG's which I presume are great in the defense. Downside is, I'm very short on those MG squads in virtually all my Divs so they're probably going to take ages to fill out.

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RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/16/2012 11:57:17 AM   
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Thanks for the tips, Farfarer.
Any idea how sapper regs compare versus MG-Bat. when it comes to defensive combat effects? Those MG bat. have a large amount of MG's which I presume are great in the defense. Downside is, I'm very short on those MG squads in virtually all my Divs so they're probably going to take ages to fill out.


I've never build a MG bat and with 500.000-700.000 arm in the pools through out most of mid to later '42 my divs tended to be 20-30% short on MG squads less being on refit for several turns on a RR in the hinderland. Seems to be a particular chokepoint.

Kind regards,

Rasmus

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RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/16/2012 12:03:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Walloc, agreed, together with mortars they are huge choke points.
Does anyone know why and how to reduce this?

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RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 4/16/2012 10:17:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		These are just my suggestions, and they make it simple and use less ARM, but maximize the use of what you produce anyway. Check the TOE before building an SU to check on the pool of 'stuff' available. When you are attacking the inevitable German forts, it makes sense ( to me ) to be stuffed with Sappers, monster SP Assault guns ( SU122-SU152), T34 Flame tanks. Some advocate AT support units while on the strategic defence, but until they are a decent calibre I'm not sure.

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RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 5/3/2012 3:54:24 PM   
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RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 5/4/2012 9:55:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Ed, we're in mud april 1942, but since I show so much detail, I need to wait a little more before updating just to be on the safe side.
So once the direction of his summer offensive is clear I'll start to update and it will be a 10-15 turns worth.

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RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 5/12/2012 12:47:43 AM   
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Status: online 		Ok, so while we're waiting...

How many sapper regiments do you have?
How many RR construction Bdes?
Planning to build any motorized brigades?

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RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 5/12/2012 12:54:47 AM   
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EDIT: this is on turn 49




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RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 5/12/2012 12:56:53 AM   
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RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 5/12/2012 1:01:43 AM   
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Ok, so while we're waiting...

How many sapper regiments do you have?
How many RR construction Bdes?
Planning to build any motorized brigades?


I've got 15 sappers currently at Stavka in anticipation of Guard Rifle Corps which I can build in 2 turns.
Perhaps I have too many RR brigades, but they were damned handy to repair all those broken RR lines during and after blizzard. If I wouldn't have had them, I would have been seriously streched supply wise. Perhaps I would have had an adverse effect on digin in AND receiving replacements in the frontline units.

RE mot brigs, that's a good thing you bring up, I was thinking about whether or not they are useful. They can be used to form Mech Corps BUT are they as good as the Mech Brigs you can build later?
An upside would be they can train for several months, but perhaps there is adownside too? Any advice?

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RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 5/12/2012 1:15:04 AM   
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Status: online 		I would disband half of those RR brigades and replace them with sapper regiments. That would put you at about 180 regiments which of course you can attach to your corps whereas you can't with RR Bdes. And I'd start planning now to equip those future 90 rifle, cav, mech and tank corps with all of them @ 2 per corps. If you want more for the armies you can do that too, but you don't want to be short sapper SUs when it comes time to go on the offensive and dig him out of his forts.

Plus, you'll pocket close to 2k in manpower for each one that you swap out for roughly the same construction values. So that's 130k of men you can hand rifles to- about 10-12 rifle division equivalents.

I built mech brigades in my last game, but looking back I wish I had done motorized bdes for the reason you mention. They can get trained up so when you turn them into corps they'll take the exp hit, but still be higher than 3 green mech brigades that will combine into a corps with an experience level in the high teens.

Later on you'll get those RR repair corps to help rebuild the railnet as you go forward.

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RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 5/12/2012 1:28:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sound advice. I did raise an eyebrow when I saw that they take close to 400k out of the pool
Thing is, it's damn expensive to disband them and form Sappers, and assign them, and then off course building all those Corps.
I was a little to "liberal" with AP's during Blizzard. Merged practically all mu rifle brigs to keep the offensive going and that also costs 1 AP, although strangely enough, if you're out of AP's you can merge for free...

I'll have to sit on them for a while longer until I find the AP's, but you're right, they'll have to go at some point.

On another matter, I'm running out of Mig3's and now I'll have to upgrade/change planes for several of my top regiments. I'll put a SS of my top scorers, pretty good stuff actually

RE mot brigs, isn't there a downside? Perhaps something with the armoured component? I mean, it seems so logical to just build mot brgs I feel like I must be missing something

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RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 5/12/2012 1:32:22 AM   
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RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 5/12/2012 1:44:17 AM   
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Status: online 		The RR Bde conversion- sure you don't have to do it all at once but I'd still try to do as much as you can over time. Failed attacks against Level3 forts can run you 12k in manpower losses when you're committing rifle corps and even with high engineer values, it's no guarantee of success. In one test I had an engineer value of 19 against such a fort and failed. So that die roll wherever it is in the battle sequence can still come up short and kill you.

No easy answer on the MiGs or any plane for that matter. I found the game terrible at auto-upgrades so you'll also deal with the same issues with 3 versions of IL-2s and other aircraft types that are also competing for precious APs.

The downside on the motor brigades is as brigades they are of little use so they just sit back out of harms way gaining exp. until merge time. And so the manpower in the meantime is of little use as well. But the payoff is having better mech corps if you go that route in the winter of 42-43 and beyond.


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RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 5/12/2012 10:13:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think there is a choice BUT to go for Mech Corps with Tank Corps being so brittle in the defense. I think I'll need this guys to hold terrain once I get a breakthrough but we'll see as this is just theoretical thinking for the moment. Let's first survive summer of 1942!

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RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 5/21/2012 12:17:20 PM   
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We're going into turn 52 now, so high time to update the AAR.
South, overview before Sov moves:




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RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 5/21/2012 12:17:54 PM   
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RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 5/21/2012 12:18:39 PM   
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RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80 - 5/21/2012 12:23:45 PM   
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