Matrix Games

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ORIGINAL: DKW

Issue 3:
Whether or not you have used Ops, from TF screen select Unload Cargo/Troops, then select Cancel Unload Cargo/Troops.

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The load status will say unloading stopped, the load will be 72, the SP/1 troops will still be on the AK. From TF screen, select Load Troops. Click LOADING UNIT so that it now says Select Unit. You are now in a situation where you cannot select it back to say LOADING UNIT. Wait a few turns and the unit will NOT be loaded, it will still be at 72 loaded and be in status *unloading canceled*. So with this sequence of steps the only way to get that unit loaded on this transport could be to waste 1 turn on actually performing the unloading, then loading again. You might be able to do something if you have other troops and ships, but still.

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ORIGINAL: DKW

OK, so issues 1 and 2 being random based on leader roll makes sense, it would fit with why all xAKs at HK used 72 Ops and yet my AK used 72 Ops only twice out of tons and tons of tries.

However, I disagree on issue 3 being something that should cost me 1 turn to fix. It is true, it should not be done, but, as a newb on his first turn who doesn't know any better, I did it. Think of it this way. I am queueing up orders, but we haven't even gotten to the turn phase yet, where the orders are executed. For all I know it's still 3am in the morning. I should be able to change my mind and give new orders before any loading has been started. Really, this orders phase of the game is just an abstraction, plenty of other things don't happen immediately (and some do).

That's why issue 2 is such a problem: I haven't even changed my orders and it still docks me more and more based on a certain UI path followed. You might now see issue 3 in the same way: I'm trying to switch what's loaded, and if I do it through 1 sequence of UI steps it works and another sequence it locks up. Doesn't this make sense to a newb: Load LCU 1, Unload Troops, Load LCU 2 as an alternative to Load LCU 1, Adjust Load, Select LCU 2? And before you say 'well just don't do that,' I'm trying to explore all UI options to find what I can and can't do. Makes sense given that I still haven't found the pilot reserve page, etc.

Don't worry, I have plenty of saves and if I screw up I go back to the last one.

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ORIGINAL: pompack

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ORIGINAL: DKW

OK, so issues 1 and 2 being random based on leader roll makes sense, it would fit with why all xAKs at HK used 72 Ops and yet my AK used 72 Ops only twice out of tons and tons of tries.

However, I disagree on issue 3 being something that should cost me 1 turn to fix. It is true, it should not be done, but, as a newb on his first turn who doesn't know any better, I did it. Think of it this way. I am queueing up orders, but we haven't even gotten to the turn phase yet, where the orders are executed. For all I know it's still 3am in the morning. I should be able to change my mind and give new orders before any loading has been started. Really, this orders phase of the game is just an abstraction, plenty of other things don't happen immediately (and some do).

That's why issue 2 is such a problem: I haven't even changed my orders and it still docks me more and more based on a certain UI path followed. You might now see issue 3 in the same way: I'm trying to switch what's loaded, and if I do it through 1 sequence of UI steps it works and another sequence it locks up. Doesn't this make sense to a newb: Load LCU 1, Unload Troops, Load LCU 2 as an alternative to Load LCU 1, Adjust Load, Select LCU 2? And before you say 'well just don't do that,' I'm trying to explore all UI options to find what I can and can't do. Makes sense given that I still haven't found the pilot reserve page, etc.

Don't worry, I have plenty of saves and if I screw up I go back to the last one.

As to #3, he didn't say it should, he said it does. When you do something like that it screws up the internal sequencing. Should it do it? no. Should a fix be generated? Well, it's all a matter of priorities and the fact that changes are made by a non-Matrix person who does it for fun.

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ORIGINAL: Dan Nichols
Saving a series of times while doing complicated loading is useful.

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ORIGINAL: michaelm

When you click and start loading troops on the TF, a lot of things happen in the background. It is different to say loading supplies where the actual load doesn't happen to the turn runs.

I don't believe that cancelling the load is not just a simple case of 'remove the units from ships and restore ops'. Those background things would need to be reversed which could lead to knock on effects on other things. That is it could create more problems just to change your mind about what to load.

To reverse a load might require a re-design of how troops are loaded (ie don't load a fragment to reserve a ship slot) and possible loss of the 'Verify load' step. This would be a big change to how integrated and relatively user-friendly in info that is today.

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ORIGINAL: michaelm

When you click and start loading troops on the TF, a lot of things happen in the background. It is different to say loading supplies where the actual load doesn't happen to the turn runs.

I don't believe that cancelling the load is not just a simple case of 'remove the units from ships and restore ops'. Those background things would need to be reversed which could lead to knock on effects on other things. That is it could create more problems just to change your mind about what to load.

To reverse a load might require a re-design of how troops are loaded (ie don't load a fragment to reserve a ship slot) and possible loss of the 'Verify load' step. This would be a big change to how integrated and relatively user-friendly in info that is today.

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ORIGINAL: DKW

I have found another "Stupid Things Only Newbs Do" with loading troops that produce 2 bugs:
I have a transport that is loaded 1838/1750 (not sure if a bug, exploit, or normal)
I found an exploit that will not be mentioned on the forums, due to the PBEM nature of the game.

I would encourage you to take a look at this, so please PM me for details and savegame(s). Or, if this patching by MichaelM is just on a volunteer basis and he doesn't want to do it, then I volunteer myself. I'm a recent, unemployed CS graduate, so if you give me read access to the repo I'll give you a patch. It would give me something to do and look good on my resume. But I expect this to be "shot down" as well (pun intended).