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RE: I was sent this WARNING..... - 3/19/2012 6:22:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Why is it the German players are able to poke holes in the database and diagnose the vulnerabilities and we anglophones are running around like headless chickens in a P-26?


I hope you guys aren't still mad about the whole Enigma thing.



You made my day

Perhaps the stereotype about German love for detail and absolut accuracy sometimes has its justification?

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RE: I was sent this WARNING..... - 3/19/2012 6:26:48 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Why is it the German players are able to poke holes in the database and diagnose the vulnerabilities and we anglophones are running around like headless chickens in a P-26?


I hope you guys aren't still mad about the whole Enigma thing.


That is because we are evil geniuses .
Come over to the dark side, we have unlimited supply, fuel and B17s .

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RE: I was sent this WARNING..... - 3/19/2012 6:30:04 PM   
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That is because we are evil geniuses .


and that is why germany spent the last 60 years as a lunatic assylum..with soviet and US troops to guard it

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RE: I was sent this WARNING..... - 3/19/2012 6:48:55 PM   
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Wow this thread vacillates between horrifying and funny so quickly it is making my head spin.

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RE: I was sent this WARNING..... - 3/19/2012 7:10:51 PM   
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Yes, he loves Germany...sigh

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RE: I was sent this WARNING..... - 3/19/2012 7:12:01 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Frank

That is because we are evil geniuses .
Come over to the dark side, we have unlimited supply, fuel and B17s .


And "lederhosen"...


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RE: I was sent this WARNING..... - 3/19/2012 7:14:05 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Why is it the German players are able to poke holes in the database and diagnose the vulnerabilities and we anglophones are running around like headless chickens in a P-26?


I hope you guys aren't still mad about the whole Enigma thing.

We have enigma day here *nods* NEVER FORGET ENIGMA !!!!!!

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RE: I was sent this WARNING..... - 3/19/2012 7:14:13 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Commander Stormwolf

quote:

That is because we are evil geniuses .


and that is why germany spent the last 60 years as a lunatic assylum..with soviet and US troops to guard it


Why do you insist on making repeated inflammatory posts with no purpose other than to troll our forums?

Take your pathetic little existence and go away! Don't go away mad, just GO AWAY!!!

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RE: I was sent this WARNING..... - 3/19/2012 7:17:59 PM   
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He doesn't like Germans. Propably a dumb racist.
But who cares?

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RE: I was sent this WARNING..... - 3/19/2012 7:19:35 PM   
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It has nothing to do with Germans, or Americans, or Brazilians. He's just a constant troll, and it's time to work on cleaning up the front yard and sweep out the trash.

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RE: I was sent this WARNING..... - 3/19/2012 7:21:23 PM   
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quote:

He doesn't like Germans.


Not true I lived there for a few years

More like.. doesn't like all humans

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RE: I was sent this WARNING..... - 3/19/2012 7:23:12 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Commander Stormwolf


quote:

He doesn't like Germans.


Not true I lived there for a few years

More like.. doesn't like all humans


Take your hatred and filth elsewhere. Your infantile games have worn our your welcome here, troll!

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RE: I was sent this WARNING..... - 3/19/2012 7:24:35 PM   
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That's what the green button was made for.

The only downside is, that it doesn't work like on facebook. You still see he exists and he can still read your postings.

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RE: I was sent this WARNING..... - 3/19/2012 7:29:35 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Historiker

That's what the green button was made for.

The only downside is, that it doesn't work like on facebook. You still see he exists and he can still read your postings.


And you can still read his posts, because someone always quotes him!

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RE: I was sent this WARNING..... - 3/19/2012 7:33:57 PM   
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Seems there are at least two different kinds of cheats as I cannot change the pilotnumbers in the pools or their experience, only supply, fuel, devices.

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RE: I was sent this WARNING..... - 3/19/2012 7:34:12 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Puhis


quote:

ORIGINAL: Historiker

That's what the green button was made for.

The only downside is, that it doesn't work like on facebook. You still see he exists and he can still read your postings.


And you can still read his posts, because someone always quotes him!

That's what I like at facebook. Once you block someone he's gone. This is sooo relaxing, I use it quite frequently.

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RE: I was sent this WARNING..... - 3/19/2012 7:43:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lomri
Wow this thread vacillates between horrifying and funny so quickly it is making my head spin.




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RE: I was sent this WARNING..... - 3/19/2012 7:50:59 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Historiker


quote:

ORIGINAL: Puhis


quote:

ORIGINAL: Historiker

That's what the green button was made for.

The only downside is, that it doesn't work like on facebook. You still see he exists and he can still read your postings.


And you can still read his posts, because someone always quotes him!

That's what I like at facebook. Once you block someone he's gone. This is sooo relaxing, I use it quite frequently.


So that's why you haven't responded to any of my messages on facebook lately! OK. I see how it is!

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RE: I was sent this WARNING..... - 3/19/2012 7:55:20 PM   
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All these pictures of naked men in insinuating poses were just too much, sorry!

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RE: I was sent this WARNING..... - 3/19/2012 7:57:19 PM   
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RE: I was sent this WARNING..... - 3/19/2012 8:00:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin

We have enigma day here *nods* NEVER FORGET ENIGMA !!!!!!


NEVER FORGET ER GR ZA TE RA YQ END TRANSMISSION

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RE: I was sent this WARNING..... - 3/19/2012 8:03:02 PM   
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I think I just replicated what frank did with a standard cheating Tool. Will pass the info to MichealM as well. Btw I do not play PBEM so you guys are safe.

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RE: I was sent this WARNING..... - 3/19/2012 8:03:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: USS America
Take your hatred and filth elsewhere. Your infantile games have worn our your welcome here, troll!


Yer right on this one, USS Mike. I was on the fence earlier, but I'm decided now. Green button on.

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RE: I was sent this WARNING..... - 3/19/2012 8:13:12 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lomri


quote:

ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin

We have enigma day here *nods* NEVER FORGET ENIGMA !!!!!!


NEVER FORGET ER GR ZA TE RA YQ END TRANSMISSION


exactly!

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RE: I was sent this WARNING..... - 3/19/2012 8:17:04 PM   
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The news and information in this thread is disturbing.

< Message edited by Dan Nichols -- 3/19/2012 8:18:47 PM >

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RE: I was sent this WARNING..... - 3/19/2012 8:24:06 PM   
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GREEN BUTTON = GOOD

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RE: I was sent this WARNING..... - 3/19/2012 8:30:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: nashvillen



GREEN BUTTON = GOOD



red button better

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RE: I was sent this WARNING..... - 3/19/2012 8:35:15 PM   
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You claim the Red Tails trained for three years - please provide proof.

Because as far as I am aware, the 99th Flying Pursuit Squadron was activated in March 1941. The Tuskegee Flight School was only established in June 1941 and Pre-Flight stage training (mechanics, physics of flights, aeronautics, deflection shooting, thinking in 3D) only commenced in July 1941.

Primary Pilot Training started in September 41, while Basic Pilot Training started in November 1941, with Advanced Pilot Training starting in January 1942. The first class graduated on 6 March 1942 - after being in training for 9 months (the standard USAAF training period, with each stage - Pre Flight, Primary Pilot (65 hrs), Basic Pilot (70 hrs) and Advanced Pilot Training (80 hours) lasting 9 weeks each, for a total of 36 months). Please note that these aviation cadets graduated with around 215 hours' flight experience (the USAAF required at least 200 hours' flight time to graduate).


The proof is in your own post. It's one of the reasons why no one takes you seriously. Your basic flaw here is to assume that USAAF pilots were immediately deployed to combat on graduation. That is, of course, incorrect.

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Contrast this with Imperial Japanese naval aviators who graduated with 500 hours' flight experience. Not a single one of the Japanese pilots at Pearl Harbor had logged less than 600 hours' flying time, some flight leaders had logged 1500 hours.


There's no question that Japanese pilots were well trained. Indeed, the main point of my observation is that in the REAL world, qua WitP, intensive training really does lead to better A2A combat capability, regardless of combat experience.

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The 99th Flying Pursuit Squadron was only at full strength in August 1942 as they waited for more pilots to graduate. The 90th FPS was declared combat-ready on 15 September 1942 - they then, after a struggle to get a combat posting, was deployed to North Africa in April 1943.


Where they spent the better part of another 6 months flying training missions. You can figure about 400-500 hours per pilot air time before they flew against an enemy fighter. It was one of the reasons why the 99th PG was so very good against veteran luftwaffe pilots.

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Now, July 1941 to April 1943 (assuming the first graduates - of whom there weren't enough to fill a squadron - trained consistently from graduation in March 1942 to April 1943, which is unlikely given the general lack of resources the Tuskegee training centre suffered from - they had almost 2,000 men on base with only two training squadrons) I make as 21 months.


I stand corrected. Only note, however, that they certainly had many hundreds of hours more logged air time than the mere basic requirements required, owing to the general reluctance of the USAAF to deploy them to active fronts.

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Also bear in mind that during their deployment in North Africa, and later Sicily, they were utilised exclusively in a ground attack capacity. Not sure they had much chance to brush up on their air-to-air skill?


Immaterial. At least from my POV. Combat experience is only about 1/3 of the battle vis a vis ability. The rest is airplane familiarization. After all, despite the general dearth of air to air combat prior to the Anzio landings, they were superior to their opposition from the outset.

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What I am trying to diminish is the credibility of your argument, firstly, that they had three years' training (please prove this) and, secondly, that they were the finest squadron in the USAAF (again, please prove this).


"Finest" is such a wonderfully imprecise term. It is well that I did not use it. They had they best operational record in the USAAF and were simply better than their opfor from the outset.

Why are you so interested in claiming that they weren't an outstanding unit, or that their training did not matter? Was it because they were black?


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Didn't we have this conversation already?

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RE: I was sent this WARNING..... - 3/19/2012 8:58:12 PM   
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I made no personal attacks on you. Why do you persist in trying to label me as a racist?

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They had they best operational record in the USAAF


What exactly do you base this claim on? I would love to see comparables?

I refer you back to this line from my original response to you:

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I am not trying to diminish the great gallantry of the Tuskegee Airmen, who were an inspiration for surmounting the incredible obstacles that were placed in front of them at all times.


To answer you bluntly, is it because they were black? No, not at all.

I just like people to substantiate their claims.

For example, let's take the 357th Fighter Group, VIII Fighter Command - the Yoxford Boys. This group flew over 300 missions from Feb 44 to Apr 45, and is officially credited with 595.5 German kills in the air and 106.5 aircraft destroyed on the ground - an average of just over 2.25 kills per mission.

Their own casualties amounted to 128 P-51s shot down in combat, with sixty pilots KIA or MIA.

It's very hard to compare, but the 332nd Fighter Group (the Red Tails) also flew just over 300 combat missions (albeit for the Fifteenth Air Force based in Italy). They destroyed 261 German aircraft for the loss of 66 pilots KIA.

Which of these two groups has the best "operational record in the USAAF"?

The Red Tails did have a very good record of protecting USAAF bombers, losing only 25 bombers during their tour. So the Red Tails were good at protecting bombers. The Yoxford Boys were good at killing German fighters. Which one has the "best operation record in the USAAF"?

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RE: I was sent this WARNING..... - 3/19/2012 9:03:16 PM   
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No. 617 Squadron RAF had really high-experience pilots with absolutely fantasic LowG skill.

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