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RE: OT The best airplane of WWII? - 3/14/2012 2:04:20 PM   
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My kids middle name is after this bomber! When my wife asked for middle name ideas I started rattling off the code names. Betty, Dinah, Emily...


sneaky, does your wife know the uh "secret" behind these names ?



I'm really very bad at keeping secrets so this one lasted about 5 seconds. She thought it was awesome and nerdy.

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RE: OT The best airplane of WWII? - 3/14/2012 3:08:58 PM   
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I'm really very bad at keeping secrets so this one lasted about 5 seconds. She thought it was awesome and nerdy.

And right she is. It gets of course supernerdy if you start to call her my little Ki-51, make her an airportshaped baby crib and mount a little camera on her baby bottle ^^


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RE: OT The best airplane of WWII? - 3/14/2012 3:29:53 PM   
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My kids middle name is after this bomber! When my wife asked for middle name ideas I started rattling off the code names. Betty, Dinah, Emily...


sneaky, does your wife know the uh "secret" behind these names ?



I'm really very bad at keeping secrets so this one lasted about 5 seconds. She thought it was awesome and nerdy.


What she actually thought was that it was just nerdy. What she told you...

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RE: OT The best airplane of WWII? - 3/14/2012 3:40:12 PM   
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I'm really very bad at keeping secrets so this one lasted about 5 seconds. She thought it was awesome and nerdy.

And right she is. It gets of course supernerdy if you start to call her my little Ki-51, make her an airportshaped baby crib and mount a little camera on her baby bottle ^^



Excellent idea for a nickname! (I've been calling her little baby entropy). I agree with an earlier poster though, she could use dive breaks.

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RE: OT The best airplane of WWII? - 3/14/2012 3:42:33 PM   
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I'm really very bad at keeping secrets so this one lasted about 5 seconds. She thought it was awesome and nerdy.

And right she is. It gets of course supernerdy if you start to call her my little Ki-51, make her an airportshaped baby crib and mount a little camera on her baby bottle ^^



Excellent idea for a nickname! (I've been calling her little baby entropy). I agree with an earlier poster though, she could use dive breaks.


Just one serious tip, dont tell her the origin of her name until she is 20. If you reveal it in her teenager age she will go kamikaze on you for sure.

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RE: OT The best airplane of WWII? - 3/14/2012 3:50:15 PM   
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Just one serious tip, dont tell her the origin of her name until she is 20. If you reveal it in her teenager age she will go kamikaze on you for sure.


Hmm, good point. And considering how borked(*) flak is I'd be defenseless. Oh well, and here I was hoping she'd play the Allies when I finally get around to learning how to play Japan.


* I don't really have a strong opinion on flak, it just seemed like a topical joke ;)

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RE: OT The best airplane of WWII? - 3/14/2012 3:55:21 PM   
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Spitfire? Used from (almost) the very beginning, to the very end. Has to count for something.


Failing that, the "wooden wonder" maybe.

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RE: OT The best airplane of WWII? - 3/14/2012 5:26:50 PM   
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Well not just the best airplane of WWII but one of the best ever. And, I mean ever. The DC3, C47's day is about over but I don't think anyone can name an aircraft that has had a greater global impact over the course of the last half century. This plane was "everywhere" in the decades after the war. Practically every nation in the world saw its use in some catagory. Airlines, air forces, relief organizations fire fighters. It was the volkswagen beetle of aircraft for so many years.

About 1980, I was flying from Key West to Tampa on a small commuter airlines. As we were about to load it was announced that the regular turbo prop plane was out of service and we would be flying on a "back up" Turns out it was an old DC3. I was really excited. Flying to Tampa we flew into the worst thunderstorm. It was incredibly scary as the plane was violently thrown about and the vomit bags were everywhere. However, I doubt that I could have been on a safer airplane.

The memory is even sweeter in that a woman picked me up on that DC3 and took me home for the night-not something that usually happened to me....

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RE: OT The best airplane of WWII? - 3/14/2012 5:40:58 PM   
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Ju52, first built 1932, still 8 planes flying.
Not a beauty, but a really cool plane!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Ju_52

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RE: OT The best airplane of WWII? - 3/14/2012 5:44:52 PM   
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Heinkell 100 - major help for the development of inline fighters in soviet union and japan

but it was a heinkell and luftwaffe didn't like it




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RE: OT The best airplane of WWII? - 3/14/2012 5:45:43 PM   
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The F6F Hellcat had the best kill to loss ratio of any fighter and in the Battle of the Philippine Sea the Hellcats shot down bucket loads of Japanese aircraft for minimal losses.  David McCampbell shot down 9 in one sortie on Oct 24, 1944.

It's really difficult to come up with "the best of anything with such broad categories.  The mission requirements the bombers and fighters mission are so different, comparing the two is very difficult.  For bombers, the fateful few minutes at Midway the SBD certainly shined bright.  The SBD didn't so such a bad job defending Guadalcanal either. 

Bill Dunn who was an Eagle Squadron pilot before getting transferred to the USAAF and the 9th AF, had the opportunity to fly most of the Allied land based fighters.  He said he has frequently been asked which one was "the best".  His response is that it depends heavily on the mission.  For ground attack, the P-47 was excellent.  For long range escort, the P-51 is hard to beat.  For short range defense and pleasure of flying, the Spitfire is an excellent choice.  He found the Hurricane to be a nice mix of ease of handling, good fire power, and ruggedness too.  The P-38 is very good for long distances over water with it's twin engines.  The P-40 is best for rugged conditions because it's so easy to maintain.

When asking "the best", it really should be qualified with the exact mission you have in mind.

The SBD was the best dive bomber in a dive.  The trailing edge split flap made the dive much smoother than the fence type dive flaps on most other dive bombers.  It was also a better diver than the SB2C because the turtle back and short fuselage made the Helldiver inherently more unstable than the SBD and in a pushing the envelope situation like a dive, it bucked more, even with the trailing edge split flaps.  So for steadiness of dive, the SBD is the winner.  The SBD also had rock solid reliability the SB2C lacked until very late versions.  But the SBD had shorter range and lacked folding wings that the SB2C had.  The SB2C also had a larger bomb load and was faster.  So which was "better"? 

This discussion will probably devolve into another one of those x vs y arguments...

Bill



The Ju87 wasn´t too inferior to both of them and carried 3600lbs of bombs. Wasn´t a carrierplane though.

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RE: OT The best airplane of WWII? - 3/14/2012 6:35:37 PM   
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the Ju-87C was though, with full carrier gear installed. I am an SDB fan when it comes to dive bombers, just love the Slow But Deadly :) As far as fighter aircraft, the Bf.109 is my all time favorite. Competitive from the first day to the last day. Good looking, dangerous, capable armament. Just beautiful!!! Second favorite is the F6F Hellcat, for nostalgic reasons. Gramps had many stories of plane guard during the way aboard his DD. Good deals trading pilots for ice cream!!!

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RE: OT The best airplane of WWII? - 3/14/2012 6:42:31 PM   
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This discussion will probably devolve into another one of those x vs y arguments...

Bill



Sonia don't care. Sonia just keeps on bombing.

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RE: OT The best airplane of WWII? - 3/14/2012 9:10:24 PM   
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Wildcat....hands down.

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RE: OT The best airplane of WWII? - 3/14/2012 9:10:46 PM   
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Zero...without doubt.

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RE: OT The best airplane of WWII? - 3/14/2012 9:15:05 PM   
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Wasn't it Eisenhower that said something about the C-47 as winning the war??? Not sure.

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RE: OT The best airplane of WWII? - 3/14/2012 10:08:05 PM   
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Zero...without doubt.

Now you have gone and started it....

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RE: OT The best airplane of WWII? - 3/15/2012 10:16:38 AM   
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Just saw one out at Sky Harbor here in Phoenix.  If longevity is your criteria, and that is a good one, then the DC-3 really needs to up there on the list.  Awesome design.



This is, IMHO, the best designed aircraft in the history of aviation. Many other types flew higher, farther, and faster, but for fundamental aircraft design and engineering the DC-3 was an innovator in many aspects.

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RE: OT The best airplane of WWII? - 3/15/2012 11:18:42 AM   
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Wildcat....hands down.

Zero...without doubt.


I dis....erm...agree...

Phew, that was close.

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RE: OT The best airplane of WWII? - 3/15/2012 12:37:30 PM   
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Spitfire. Competitive throughout the war, good producability.

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RE: OT The best airplane of WWII? - 3/15/2012 4:08:01 PM   
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Spitfire was the definition of the air superiority fighter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21Uqy2YjuP4&feature=fvsr

just remove them subtitles

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RE: OT The best airplane of WWII? - 3/15/2012 4:31:13 PM   
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Spitfire. Competitive throughout the war, good producability.



My favorite all time plane, but you win wars by projecting air power deep into enemy space. The spit could not do that.

Now how bout that DC-3...

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RE: OT The best airplane of WWII? - 3/15/2012 4:41:17 PM   
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you win wars by projecting air power deep into enemy space. The spit could not do that.


you win wars by shooting down the enemy AC, the army is just there to capture airfields

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RE: OT The best airplane of WWII? - 3/15/2012 4:48:51 PM   
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Spitfire. Competitive throughout the war, good producability.



My favorite all time plane, but you win wars by projecting air power deep into enemy space. The spit could not do that.

Now how bout that DC-3...

A great plane. But as different from the Spit as a machinegun to a tank.

"The best plane" propably doesn't exist, as there's no common ground to compare them. Some DC-3 are still in use, but it is a little easier to use an ancient TP in a usefull role than an anchient fighter (though El Salvador and Honduras propably would disagree )
Also, while the P-51 was superb - is it fair to compare it to a plane that was used throughout the war?

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RE: OT The best airplane of WWII? - 3/15/2012 5:36:32 PM   
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Spitfire. Competitive throughout the war, good producability.


Spitfire took 3 times longer to assemble than a Bf-109 (15,000 vs 5000 hours).. production difference is because
UK factories were running 24/7 while germans were lazy

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RE: OT The best airplane of WWII? - 3/15/2012 6:13:21 PM   
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I would say that the best aircraft out of all of them would be the airplane that performed it's job the "best".

Now which one is that?

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RE: OT The best airplane of WWII? - 3/15/2012 6:23:05 PM   
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I would say that the best aircraft out of all of them would be the airplane that performed it's job the "best".

Now which one is that?

still hard to compare. Differences in doctrine, infrastructure, pilots...

Its like wanting to compare Leopard 2 with Abrams. In theory, one of both is better, but the only accurate account would be to train one crew equally well in both tanks and then let them perform all possible tasks for tanks.
Even if just two tanks facing the same tests, the crew matters most. Just look at Isreal, what they performed with their upgunned Shermans against theoretically far superior T-55 and T-62.

The only possible conclusion using your approach is to find the best plane per country, not overall.

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RE: OT The best airplane of WWII? - 3/15/2012 6:24:40 PM   
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I would say that the best aircraft out of all of them would be the airplane that performed it's job the "best".

Now which one is that?


Probably would need a whole bunch of categories to be fair in that case...


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RE: OT The best airplane of WWII? - 3/15/2012 6:26:48 PM   
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I would say that the best aircraft out of all of them would be the airplane that performed it's job the "best".

Now which one is that?


Probably would need a whole bunch of categories to be fair in that case...


The most versatile planes that performed good in almost every category they were used in were Mosquito and Ju-88.
So one might consider them best, if one has to award that title to a plane.

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RE: OT The best airplane of WWII? - 3/15/2012 6:54:56 PM   
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...while germans were lazy


Ridiculous statement and sure to rightfully incite those on the forum that are German. Why say that?

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