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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/22/2013 8:27:30 PM   
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Just finished Saburo Ienaga's Pacific War;

started today with Peter Thompson, Pacific Fury, and am still not done with Amphibians Came To Conquer Vol.2

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/22/2013 8:51:49 PM   
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QUASI-SILLY W1-SEMI-NEWBLETTE,
Just one thing SLAAK.

So you invest all this time, all this money, all this effort, into getting the Czar overthrown. No mean feat, after all, there had been plenty of goes before. BUT this time, with Lenin and Trotsky in hand, the Illuminati succeeded.

Now. Wouldn't you think, that when this upstart Stalin came along, and threatened the men the Illuminati had spent years and millions on - the Illuminati's own "agents" - that they would have got a tad concerned?

But no. They allowed their plan to potentially go down the toilet by allowing Stalin free reign, even though he wasn't one of theirs and at that stage no one knew what he would or wouldn't do.

Strange....

Roth Schilds primary goals were achieved. They succeeded in killing the Czar and his family, filching the Czars treasury estimated at more than $300 billion in 1918 dollars (worth unknown trillions today), imposed their Utopian vision of Socialism on Russia and killed off millions of people in cold blood who were considered politically incorrect. Even though they lost the power struggle between Stalin & Trotsky, they still made bank and eventually Stalin collaborated anyway out necessity. All else was just gravy and when China fell they hoped play the East & West against each other which is exactly what happened. Now their Utopian model is China partnered up with India to solidify the UN's authority into a global government. In spite of the many obstacles, they are achieving this goal right now.




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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/22/2013 9:34:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SLAAKMAN

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QUASI-SILLY W1-SEMI-NEWBLETTE,
Just one thing SLAAK.

So you invest all this time, all this money, all this effort, into getting the Czar overthrown. No mean feat, after all, there had been plenty of goes before. BUT this time, with Lenin and Trotsky in hand, the Illuminati succeeded.

Now. Wouldn't you think, that when this upstart Stalin came along, and threatened the men the Illuminati had spent years and millions on - the Illuminati's own "agents" - that they would have got a tad concerned?

But no. They allowed their plan to potentially go down the toilet by allowing Stalin free reign, even though he wasn't one of theirs and at that stage no one knew what he would or wouldn't do.

Strange....

Roth Schilds primary goals were achieved.
warspite1

Well that was lucky wasn't it? Sounds like the mob that planned for the overthrow of the Czar - and just as important, what came after - were the same trust-to-luck buffoons that planned 9/11


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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/22/2013 9:42:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: warspite1


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ORIGINAL: SLAAKMAN

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QUASI-SILLY W1-SEMI-NEWBLETTE,
Just one thing SLAAK.

So you invest all this time, all this money, all this effort, into getting the Czar overthrown. No mean feat, after all, there had been plenty of goes before. BUT this time, with Lenin and Trotsky in hand, the Illuminati succeeded.

Now. Wouldn't you think, that when this upstart Stalin came along, and threatened the men the Illuminati had spent years and millions on - the Illuminati's own "agents" - that they would have got a tad concerned?

But no. They allowed their plan to potentially go down the toilet by allowing Stalin free reign, even though he wasn't one of theirs and at that stage no one knew what he would or wouldn't do.

Strange....

Roth Schilds primary goals were achieved.
warspite1

Well that was lucky wasn't it? Sounds like the mob that planned for the overthrow of the Czar - and just as important, what came after - were the same trust-to-luck buffoons that planned 9/11



Gary Seven intervened.

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/22/2013 10:11:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Ranger33

If anyone is interested, two of the Stackpole books are currently free for Kindle. Apparently one or two books in the series is free each month according to z1812 over on the Battlefront forum. (credit for the find goes to him)

http://www.amazon.com/Fire-Eastern-Front-Experiences-ebook/dp/B00BZBJ91O/ref=sr_1_26?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1374274035&sr=1-26&keywords=stackpole+military

http://www.amazon.com/12th-SS-Division-Stackpole-ebook/dp/B00BZBJ8WY/ref=sr_1_37?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1374274165&sr=1-37&keywords=stackpole+military

If you are in the UK go to the amazon.uk site and find them through there.


When I check each link they appear highly discounted but not free.
One is about $9 and the other is about $11.

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/22/2013 10:37:54 PM   
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warspite1

Well that was lucky wasn't it? Sounds like the mob that planned for the overthrow of the Czar - and just as important, what came after - were the same trust-to-luck buffoons that planned 9/11.

Yes. Rockefeller disclosed this plan to Aaron Russo in 2000. Naturally you wont believe it since as Twain pointed out, "Its easier to fool people than it is to convince them that theyve been fooled." Of course no one would believe that crooks actually do run the world....duh.


Rockefeller Reveals 9 11 FRAUD and New World Order to Aaron Russo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuinaIm-kd4


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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/23/2013 12:15:42 AM   
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Ah, looks like the sale ended! They were free when I posted. I'll try to be quicker on the draw next time.

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When I check each link they appear highly discounted but not free.
One is about $9 and the other is about $11.


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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/23/2013 2:54:53 AM   
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Hawk Quest by Robert Lyndon. Set shortly after the Norman conquest of England. Starts in England, follows a group that wanders on a particular quest to Scotland, Iceland, Greenland, Norway, the land of the Rus, and then I'm not through yet. I won't say any more in case anyone else is reading or wants to read it. One of those cheap Kindle novels but pretty good. I got it as one of their daily deals.

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/26/2013 4:42:50 PM   
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Two more free Kindle books! Hopefully this deal lasts long enough for people to see it.

http://www.amazon.com/Armored-Bears-German-Division-ebook/dp/B00CYMZEIK/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1374845867&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.com/Ghost-Thunderbolt-Wizard-Stackpole-ebook/dp/B00CXUTZHE/ref=sr_1_2?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1374845867&sr=1-2

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/26/2013 6:05:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Ranger33

Two more free Kindle books! Hopefully this deal lasts long enough for people to see it.

http://www.amazon.com/Armored-Bears-German-Division-ebook/dp/B00CYMZEIK/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1374845867&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.com/Ghost-Thunderbolt-Wizard-Stackpole-ebook/dp/B00CXUTZHE/ref=sr_1_2?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1374845867&sr=1-2


Thank you Ranger33.

Just downloaded Armored bears.

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/29/2013 4:56:09 AM   
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http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2005/020305thompsonwarned.htm
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Hunter Thompson was working on WTC collapse story before mysterious sudden death, warned he'd be 'suicided'

Total 9/11 Info/Prison Planet | March 2 2005

Toronto Globe and Mail February 26, 2005:

Hunter telephoned me on Feb. 19, the night before his death. He sounded scared. It wasn't always easy to understand what he said, particularly over the phone, he mumbled, yet when there was something he really wanted you to understand, you did. He'd been working on a story about the World Trade Center attacks and had stumbled across what he felt was hard evidence showing the towers had been brought down not by the airplanes that flew into them but by explosive charges set off in their foundations. Now he thought someone was out to stop him publishing it: "They're gonna make it look like suicide," he said. "I know how these bastards think . . ."

Hunter S. Thompson ... was indeed working on such a story.

Now check out this February 25 Associated Press story about Thompson's death. Sounds a lot like a professional hit with a silencer:

"I was on the phone with him, he set the receiver down and he did it. I heard the clicking of the gun," Anita Thompson told the Aspen Daily News in Friday's editions.

She said her husband had asked her to come home from a health club so they could work on his weekly ESPN column...

Thompson said she heard a loud, muffled noise, but didn't know what had happened. "I was waiting for him to get back on the phone," she said.

(Her account to Rocky Mountain News reporter Jeff Kass is slightly different: "I did not hear any bang," she told Kass. She added that Thompson's son, who was in the house at the time, believed that a book had fallen when he heard the shot, according to Kass' report.)

Mack White sums up the questions well:
Thompson's family says he was not depressed, nor was he in enough to pain to kill himself. In fact, by all reports, he was quite happy. He was talking on the phone to his wife, getting ready to work on his column, when he decided it would be wise to kill himself, so that he could go out (we are told) while "still at the top of his form," even though this would mean not finishing his column or his expose on 9/11 (potentially the most important thing he would ever write) (?)...

RELATED: Hunter S. Thompson Suicide Story Changes

This account says Thompson killed himself while sitting in a chair on his typewriter and yet the original account tells us that Thompson shot himself while talking to his wife on the phone in the kitchen. Why has the story changed andwhat is the significance of the word typed on the paper in light of the fact that Thompson said he would be 'suicided' before being able to release a major story on explosives bringing down the twin towers?

RELATED: Hunter S. Thompson thought 9/11 an inside job


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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/29/2013 5:12:33 AM   
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/conspiracy_files/6354139.stm

http://www.readcube.com/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2013.00409?locale=en

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/29/2013 12:21:01 PM   
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9/11 Free Fall-- Robert Griffin on the Psychology of 9/11 Truth Denial
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzjRgJ2LaBE


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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/29/2013 2:04:17 PM   
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In a new study from psychologists based in both the United Kingdom and United States, researchers discovered that individuals who questioned official government reporting on events appear to be much saner and rational than those who simply believe official news without question, or rely upon media ‘talking points’ for their complete source.

Conspiracy Theorists vs. Obamabots:


The most recent study was published on July 8th by psychologists Michael J. Wood and Karen M. Douglas of the University of Kent (UK). Entitled “What about Building 7? A social psychological study of online discussion of 9/11 conspiracy theories,” the study compared “conspiracist” (pro-conspiracy theory) and “conventionalist” (anti-conspiracy) comments at news websites.
The authors were surprised to discover that it is now more conventional to leave so-called conspiracist comments than conventionalist ones: “Of the 2174 comments collected, 1459 were coded as conspiracist and 715 as conventionalist.” In other words, among people who comment on news articles, those who disbelieve government accounts of such events as 9/11 and the JFK assassination outnumber believers by more than two to one. That means it is the pro-conspiracy commenters who are expressing what is now the conventional wisdom, while the anti-conspiracy commenters are becoming a small, beleaguered minority. – Press TV

Thanks to the information age and the internet, people have extensive sources through which they can read, research, and investigate news stories outside the partial information usually provided by the mainstream media. During the 1950′s through the 70′s, there was a greater trust factor between the American people and broadcast news, and anchors like Walter Cronkite were considered some of the most trusted men on television.

However, as the internet began to grow and consolidate reports and research from credible sources like scientists, academia, and even citizen reporters, it became much more difficult for the government and mainstream media to control information, and the paradigm known as Conspiracy Theory fully took off.

Besides the JFK assassination, the revelation that Americans were lied to about the Gulf of Tonkin, which was the key false flag to usher in the Vietnam War escalation, established credibility for dissenters of the official party line, where now we understand that there is usually much more to a story than what is doled out to the public.

The validation that conspiracy theorists may be more sane than their counterparts who readily believe anything put before them could come from the fact that to be credible, conspiratorialists must have more information, backed with irrefutable evidence, and make a rational case to the public to justify their concerns. Those who simply believe the official story only have to fall back on the straw man argument that the source is the government, and that our government would never lie to us.

With all the credentialed professionals, well versed in the fields of investigation, academia, and science coming out over the past two decades with rational credible arguments that the official stories regarding 9/11, President Obama’s eligibility, and even recently regarding the slaying of the Libyan Ambassador in Benghazi, trusting in what government officials, or media that has strong ties to the government, is not only irrational, but may lead to a much worse scenario if people dont have the ability to distinguish between credible information, and purposeful disinformation.


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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/29/2013 2:34:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aurelian

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/conspiracy_files/6354139.stm

http://www.readcube.com/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2013.00409?locale=en


i like the links - it is an interesting thing to ponder 'conspiracy theories' i think they show something in our human nature - our mind is always forming its connections and the narratives can become so overwhelmingly logical that evidence itself or the lack there of all points in that direction and then it doesnt take much for other paranoids folk to start feeding their own narratives into the mix and so quantity passes for quality etc etc. These things however like urban legends sometimes seem to play out in the world and it is hard, perhaps impossible to know what came first the fact or the fable.

It is the wonders, fears, hopes etc that our minds cast into the abyss of everything beyond our present, be it the past or future both so inaccessible and we all want to know truth and so the allure of conspiracy theories is that it promises to be 'ultimate truth' and for people who get hooked on them it is a pleasure to feel like you know something that the masses don't. But its also something of a cassandra complex.

Of course it would be naive to think their arent the dealings by powerful people, companies going on behind the scenes of the news we read, (news for which there seems to be ever fewer independent real journalists and serious investigators) i dont think much of why the world is the way it is would be without clandestine and or unreported dealings with only the interests of power and money for those parties involved. But it seems impossible to sort through all the supposed truths to find actual truth and there may not be any actual truth it all, we may be constantly just making it up as we go along.

With 9/11 there are things that seem odd when looking back on it and i remember reading a book at the time that was looking at the unanswered questions about the airforce response - i cant recall the details and its seems that whatever happened it is taken the world on a course that we cannot easily come back from. Again information and other unanswered things surface and then disappear and one is left wondering what came of it, but then all the other distractions of life pour in. Its frustrating, and we should always be questioning things, but also be wary of just any supposed conspiracy theory that conveniently comes along.

At the moment i am picking up and continuing a book which always sets my mind on fire - Friedrich Nietzsches 'Human all too Human' (Menschliches Allzumenschliches).

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/29/2013 2:54:57 PM   
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Agathosdaimon

Hello. Do me a little favor please....try not to speak. My platypus is trying to sleep & all that mindless gibberish is disturbing him. Thanks.


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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/29/2013 6:57:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Agathosdaimon


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ORIGINAL: Aurelian

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/conspiracy_files/6354139.stm

http://www.readcube.com/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2013.00409?locale=en


i like the links - it is an interesting thing to ponder 'conspiracy theories' i think they show something in our human nature - our mind is always forming its connections and the narratives can become so overwhelmingly logical that evidence itself or the lack there of all points in that direction and then it doesnt take much for other paranoids folk to start feeding their own narratives into the mix and so quantity passes for quality etc etc. These things however like urban legends sometimes seem to play out in the world and it is hard, perhaps impossible to know what came first the fact or the fable.

It is the wonders, fears, hopes etc that our minds cast into the abyss of everything beyond our present, be it the past or future both so inaccessible and we all want to know truth and so the allure of conspiracy theories is that it promises to be 'ultimate truth' and for people who get hooked on them it is a pleasure to feel like you know something that the masses don't. But its also something of a cassandra complex.

Of course it would be naive to think their arent the dealings by powerful people, companies going on behind the scenes of the news we read, (news for which there seems to be ever fewer independent real journalists and serious investigators) i dont think much of why the world is the way it is would be without clandestine and or unreported dealings with only the interests of power and money for those parties involved. But it seems impossible to sort through all the supposed truths to find actual truth and there may not be any actual truth it all, we may be constantly just making it up as we go along.

With 9/11 there are things that seem odd when looking back on it and i remember reading a book at the time that was looking at the unanswered questions about the airforce response - i cant recall the details and its seems that whatever happened it is taken the world on a course that we cannot easily come back from. Again information and other unanswered things surface and then disappear and one is left wondering what came of it, but then all the other distractions of life pour in. Its frustrating, and we should always be questioning things, but also be wary of just any supposed conspiracy theory that conveniently comes along.

At the moment i am picking up and continuing a book which always sets my mind on fire - Friedrich Nietzsches 'Human all too Human' (Menschliches Allzumenschliches).


One way to sort through it all is to apply critical analysis to these theories. They can't hold up under it. And you get responses such as the ones above.

An example of critical analysis by Neilster: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3366579&mpage=2&key=�

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/29/2013 7:18:51 PM   
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Orwellian,
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One way to sort through it all is to apply critical analysis to these theories. They can't hold up under it. And you get responses such as the ones above.

You havent analyzed anything and it wouldnt matter to you if you did. Youve already made up your puny mind.
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An example of critical analysis by Neilster: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3366579&mpage=2&key=

Thats no analysis. He didnt answer any questions. He only posed irrelevant urinalysis, similar to yours.

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/30/2013 12:16:25 AM   
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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/30/2013 12:23:41 AM   
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Proof Of The Illuminati

The society of the Illuminati was founded in Bavaria in the 1770s, operating covertly within the unknowing veil of honest Masonry. The Illuminati's goals were the overthrow of all government and religion, by any means at their disposal. Their methods included theft, embezzlement, murder, and assassination. Deceit, secrecy, and subterfuge were their common tools. Linked with the Jacobians in Paris, and appearing in numerous countries under the cover of other secret societies, the Illuminati formented the terrors of the French revolution and other overthrow of the Swiss Republic, causing destruction and death across Europe. The sect was uncovered and outlawed in 1790, which only drove it to greater secrecy. The poison of the Illuminati was announced and decried by the French Jesuit Abbe Barruel and the eminent English scientist Doctor Robison. These two men, so different in character, politics, and religion, had reached the same conclusion about the evils and effects of Illuminism. For their efforts, both were defamed and ridiclued, their characters questioned. Seth Payson's Proof of the Illuminati draws from Barruel, Robison, and an array of other sources to show that rather than being stamped out, the Illuminati's pernicious influence was actively spreading its noxious decay. Originally written in 1802, this book still has a stark warning message that rings of truth to this day.



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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/31/2013 4:40:51 PM   
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The Secret World of American Communism



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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 8/6/2013 4:18:30 PM   
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America's Secret Establishment: An Introduction to the Order of Skull & Bones
By Antony C. Sutton

Breaking 170 years of secrecy, this intriguing exposé takes a behind-the-scenes look at Yale's mysterious society, the Order of the Skull and Bones, and its prominent members, numbering among them Tafts, Rockefellers, Pillsburys, and Bushes.

Explored is how Skull and Bones initiates have become senators, judges, cabinet secretaries, spies, titans of finance and industry, and even U.S. presidents, including George W. Bush. This book reveals that far from being a campus fraternity, the society is more concerned with the success of its members in the postcollegiate world.

Included are a verified membership list, rare reprints of original Order materials revealing the interlocking power centers dominated by Bonesmen, and a peek inside the Tomb, their 140-year-old private clubhouse.


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Ooh ooh that could be me...well except the useful bit of course....


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Silly Warspite2-Newblette that dilemma could change if only you would accept the challenge. Why you do not is still a mystery that only you can solve. Snap to it!!

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The bizarre life of Communist Party affiliate, J Robert Oppenheimer~

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http://conservapedia.com/J._Robert_Oppenheimer

Julius Robert Oppenheimer (1904-1967) was an American theoretical physicist and director of the Los Alamos National Laboratory, one of four laboratories[2] involved in the Manhattan Project to develop the first atomic bomb. He was also a secret member of the Communist Party.

Early life

Oppenheimer was born in New York in 1904,[4] the eldest son of Julius and Ella (née Freedman) Oppenheimer. His father was a wealthy textile importer who had immigrated from Germany in 1895, his mother a scion of Philadelphia society who had studied painting in Paris.[5] They collected original art, including a Renoir and three Van Goghs; they also owned a 40-foot yacht,[6] and his father gave him his own 27-foot sloop.[7] Precocious but socially backward, Oppenheimer began collecting minerals at age five, was elected to the New York Minerological Club at eleven,[8] and delivered his first paper there at age 12.[9] His shy awkwardness earned him the nickname "Booby" Oppenheimer among his peers; he was bullied, culminating in being locked naked in an icehouse overnight as retribution for alleged tattling.[10]

Oppenheimer's parents were of Jewish descent, but did not observe religious traditions, sending him (via limousine)[11] to New York's elite[12] Ethical Culture[13] Society School.[14] Ethical Culture, a secular humanist religion,[15] is indifferent to the existence of God, replacing the Ten Commandments[16] with a commitment to "social justice."[17] Such an education conditions students to yield to "the totalitarian temptation,"[18] as Nobel Prize-winning economist Friedrich Hayek observed:
“ 'Social justice' can be given a meaning only in a directed or 'command' economy (such as an army) in which the individuals are ordered what to do; and any particular conception of 'social justice' could be realized only in such a centrally-directed system.[19] ”

Oppenheimer never did embrace Judaism, turning instead to philosophical Hinduism. He apparently never studied Hebrew but learned Sanskrit and read the Bhavagad Gita in the original language; he would later list it as one of the the ten books that did most to shape his “philosophy of life.”[20] What flashed through his mind upon witnessing the Trinity explosion, he said, was a line from this Hindu scripture:
“ I am become death, the shatterer of worlds.[21] ”
Education

Oppenheimer attended Harvard University, where he majored in chemistry, graduating summa cum laude in just three years.[22] One of his physics professors, Percy Bridgman, noted in his graduate-school recommendation that "it appears to me that it is a bit of a gamble as to whether Oppenheimer will ever make any real contributions of an important character."[23] Oppenheimer went to England for postgraduate study at Cambridge University, where he hoped to work under the Nobel Prize winner Ernest Rutherford. "But Rutherford wouldn't have me," according to Oppenheimer.[24]

At Cambridge, Oppenheimer became deeply depressed and jealous of the success of some of the people around him, particularly of his tutor, the future Nobel laureate Patrick Blackett, three years his senior. According to Oppenheimer's friend John Edsall:
“ Oppenheimer's feeling toward Blackett was one of intense admiration, combined perhaps with an intense jealousy—jealousy because of his feeling that Blackett was brilliant and handsome and a man of great social charm, and combining all this with great brilliance as a scientist—and I think he had a sense of his own comparative awkwardness and perhaps a sense of being physically unattractive compared to Blackett and so on.[25] ”

In the fall of 1925, Oppenheimer left a "poisoned apple" laced with chemicals (possibly cyanide) from the laboratory on Blackett's desk.[26] University authorities immediately informed Oppenheimer's parents (who were visiting Cambridge at the time) what had happened. According to a Pulitzer Prize-winning[27] biography of Oppenheimer:
“ His father frantically—and successfully—lobbied the university not to press criminal charges. After protracted negotiations, it was agreed that Robert would be put on probation and have regular sessions with a prominent Harley Street psychiatrist in London. This Freudian analyst diagnosed dementia praecox, a now archaic label for symptoms associated with schizophrenia. He concluded that Oppenheimer was a hopeless case and that "further analysis would do more harm than good".[28] ”

Oppenheimer went to Paris for a rest. His boyhood friend Francis Fergusson visited him there, and mentioned that he had become engaged. For the second time, Oppenheimer committed an apparent attempted murder:
“ "I leaned over to pick up a book," Fergusson recalled, "and he jumped on me from behind with a trunk strap and wound it around my neck. I was quite scared for a little while. We must have made some noise. And then I managed to pull aside and he fell on the ground weeping."[29] ”

In 1926, Oppenheimer left Cambridge for the University of Göttingen in Germany. He developed a reputation for obnoxiousness, once chiding a graduate student couple for what he called their "peasant" ways in not being able to afford a baby-sitter.[30] He had a habit of interrupting others (including his professor) and commandeering the blackboard; the future Nobel Prize-winner Maria Göppart once presented Oppenheimer's faculty adviser, Max Born, with a petition threatening a boycott of his seminar unless the "child prodigy" were reigned in.[31] Oppenheimer obtained a Ph.D. in physics in 1927, then obtained a National Research Council fellowship funded by the Rockefeller Foundation.[32] He did post-doctoral work at Harvard, then the California Institute of Technology, finally taking a position as an associate professor of physics at the University of California at Berkeley.
Scientific contributions

Oppenheimer worked with other scientists such as Hans Bethe, Niels Bohr, Enrico Fermi, Richard Feynman, Willard Libby, and Eugene Wigner, who won Nobel prizes, although Oppenheimer never did.[33] Oppenheimer's best-known scientific contribution was to suggest a limit to the size of neutron stars; larger neutron stars would collapse into black holes according to the theory of relativity. But Oppenheimer is best known not for any scientific contribution, but for his managerial role as scientific director of the Manhattan Project, under the supervision of project director Gen. Leslie Groves.
Personal life and Communist affiliation

At Caltech, Oppenheimer had befriended the "long-serving Soviet tool"[34] Linus Pauling, and wrote him poems Pauling found "troubling," which included allusions to pederasty. Pauling broke off the friendship after Oppenheimer made a pass at his wife, Ava Helen Pauling, who told her husband, "I think he was in love with you."[35] At Berkeley, rumors circulated of an affair between Oppenheimer and a homosexual student who lived with him,[36] but in 1936 he began an affair with Jean Tatlock, a medical student at Stanford[37] and daughter of Oppenheimer's fellow Berkeley professor John S.P. Tatlock,[38] a contributor to The Nation.[39]

Oppenheimer's mistress Tatlock was a Communist.[40] In 1939, Oppenheimer began an affair with another Communist,[41] the German-born Katherine "Kitty" Puening Dallet Harrison, widow of Communist political commissar Joe Dallet, killed in the Spanish Civil War.[42] After moving in with Oppenheimer and becoming pregnant,[43] Kitty abandoned her third husband,[44] a cancer researcher at Caltech,[45] to marry Oppenheimer in 1940, though he continued his affair with Tatlock until at least June 1943. (In January 1944, Tatlock would be found drowned in her bathtub, in circumstances termed "suspicious.")[46] During the war, while married to Kitty, Oppenheimer began an affair with another married woman, Ruth Tolman, the wife of Caltech physicist Richard Tolman, whom Oppenheimer testified was "a very close and dear friend of mine."[47] The affair "devastated Richard Tolman,"[48] who died, according to Nobel Prize-winning physicist Ernest Lawrence, "of a broken heart."[49] Kitty took to drinking.[50]

Oppenheimer’s brother Frank, and Frank’s wife Jackie, were also active members of the Communist Party,[51] as was even Oppenheimer's landlady; in addition, several of Oppenheimer’s closest friends and protégés among his graduate students at Berkeley, including Giovanni Rossi Lomanitz, Joe Weinberg, David Bohm, Philip Morrison and Bernard Peters were Communist Party members.[52]

During the Nazi-Soviet pact (August 1939-June 1941), the Federal Bureau of Investigation expanded its surveillance of suspected Nazis to include Communist Party leaders.[53] In 1940, William Schneiderman, the California state chairman of the Communist Party, met with Isaac Folkoff,[54] West Coast liaison between the Communist Party and Soviet intelligence,[55] at the home of then-secret (later confessed) Communist[56] Haakon Chevalier. Also present at this meeting, according to FBI surveillance, was J. Robert Oppenheimer.[57] The following year, Oppenheimer was added to President Franklin Roosevelt's Custodial Detention Index,[58] listed as “Nationalistic Tendency: Communist.”[59]
Communist front activity

Upon his father's death in 1937, Oppenheimer inherited over $300,000[60] (equivalent to more than $4.5 million today),[61] and began contributing approximately $150 a month[62] (equivalent to more than $2,000 a month today),[63] at first via Communist fronts[64] such as the Spanish Aid Committee[65] (aiding the Soviet-armed forces in the Spanish Civil War), then directly to Folkoff or Communist Party official Thomas Addis.[66]

When he joined the Manhattan Project in 1942,[67] Oppenheimer wrote on his personal security questionnaire that he had been "a member of just about every Communist Front organization on the West Coast."[68] In September 1943, he repeated to Gen. Leslie Groves, head of the Manhattan Project, that he had "probably belonged to every Communist-front organization on the west coast."[69] Later that month, Lt. Col. John Lansdale, Jr., head of Security and Intelligence for the Manhattan Project, interviewed Oppenheimer, stating: "You've probably belonged to every front organization on the coast"; Oppenheimer reiterated: "Just about."[70]

More than a decade later, when the Atomic Energy Commission (AEC) was considering whether to renew his security clearance, Oppenheimer would change his story, writing that he did not remember saying this, that it was not true, and that if he had said anything along those lines, it was “a half-jocular overstatement.”[71] Yet less than four months after writing this, when the AEC got Oppenheimer on the witness stand, he would again change his story: Asked, “If you said that to Colonel Lansdale, were you jocular?” Oppenheimer would admit under oath, “I don’t think I could have been jocular during this interview.”[72]

Oppenheimer confessed, "I was associated with the Communist movement,"[73] and admitted having subscribed to the Communist Party organ People's World[74] "for several years."[75] Throughout the Nazi-Soviet pact, when many other formerly stalwart Communists dropped out of the movement in disgust, Oppenheimer was, by his own admission, active in a number of Communist fronts. He admitted having been a member of the western council of the Consumers Union[76] (according the FBI, he actually became a member of the Board of Counselors of this organization),[77] which was designated as subversive by the Dies committee in 1939,[78] during the pact. In addition, from 1939 until at least 1942[79] (throughout the duration of the pact), admitted Oppenheimer, he was a member of the American Committee for Democracy and Intellectual Freedom, which was identified by HUAC as a Communist front in 1942 and by a special subcommittee of the House Committee on Appropriations as subversive and un-American the following year.[80] Oppenheimer claimed not to remember sponsoring the American Friends of the Chinese People[81] (identified as a Communist front by HUAC in 1944),[82] but the organization listed him as a sponsor[83] in 1940,[84] during the pact.

In addition, according to the FBI, Oppenheimer reportedly co-founded the Berkeley Conference for Civic Betterment (identified by the FBI as a “front group”); was “a member of the Executive Committee of the American Civil Liberties Union, a Communist Party front group [in 1939, during the pact]”;[85] a member of the Medical Bureau to Aid Spanish Democracy[86] (identified by HUAC in 1944 as one in a "series of Communist enterprises");[87] a member of the National Emergency Conference for Democratic Rights (identified as as subversive and un-American by a special subcommittee of the House Committee on Appropriations in 1943, and as a Communist front by HUAC the following year);[88] and a donor to the Spanish Aid Committee,[89] identified as a Communist front by HUAC in 1944 and as Communist by Truman administration Attorney General Tom Clark in 1949.[90]
Communist Party membership

But Oppenheimer “was not simply a casual Popular Front liberal who ignorantly bumped up against the CPUSA in some of the areas in which it operated," according to John Earl Haynes, a Soviet espionage expert in the Manuscript Division of the Library of Congress:[91] "He was, in fact, a concealed member of the CPUSA in the late 1930s,” write Haynes, Emory University Professor Harvey Klehr and ex-KGB agent Alexander Vassiliev.[92] “Robert Oppenheimer was a member of a so-called closed unit of the Communist Party's professional section in Berkeley, from 1938 to 1942,” agrees Gregg Herken, a former senior Historian at the Smithsonian Institution.[93] Stanford University historian Barton Bernstein, an expert on Oppenheimer, concurs that "it seems to me far more likely than not from the amalgam of evidence that Oppenheimer was a member, at least covert, for a few years."[94]

If Oppenheimer was not a Communist, he fooled Communist Party officials into thinking he was. Paul Crouch, Communist Party organizer for Alameda County in 1941, testified that Oppenheimer had been a Communist at that time, and even described the interior layout of his home:[95]
“ Chairman: Is there any doubt in your mind that Oppenheimer was a member of the Communist Party?

Crouch: No, sir, none whatever. I met him in a closed meeting of the Communist Party in a house which was subsequently found to have been his residence at the time... and following that I met him at quite a number of Communist Party affairs in Alameda County.[96]


In 1945, in an Executive Committee meeting of a Communist Party branch in Alameda County,[97] both the Communist Jack Manley and his wife, Communist Party functionary Katrina Sandow (alias “Katherine Sanders”),[98] according to FBI surveillance, “stated that Oppenheimer was a Communist Party member.”[99]

If Oppenheimer was not a Communist, he not only convinced the Communist Party he was, he convinced Soviet intelligence itself. A 1944 report by NKVD San Francisco rezident (station chief) Grigory Kheifetz[100] states: “According to 'Uncle' (Isaac Folkoff),[101] both brothers [Robert and Frank Oppenheimer] were associated with the fellowcountrymen,"[102] NKVD code name for the Communist Party.[103] That year, NKVD agents Gaik Ovakimian and Andrei Graur reported to NKVD chief Boris Merkulov, identifying the code name "Chester" as "Robert Oppenheimer, b. 1906, an Amer. Jew, secret member of the fellowcountryman org., a professor at the U. of California, works on ‘En-s’,"[104] i.e., 'Enormoz,' Soviet code name for the Manhattan Project.[105] Merkulov, reporting in turn to Soviet Commissar for Internal Affairs Lavrenty Beria, identified “one of the leaders of scientific work on uranium in the USA, Professor R. Oppenheimer,” as “an unlisted member of the apparatus of Comrade Browder,” General Secretary of the CPUSA.[106]
"Closed" unit

During 1938-42, throughout the Hitler-Stalin pact, Oppenheimer was a member at Berkeley of what he called a "discussion group,"[107] which was later identified by fellow members Chevalier[108] and Gordon Griffiths[109] as a “closed” (secret)[110] unit of the Communist Party for Berkeley faculty. If Oppenheimer was not a Communist, he was the only member of this group who was not.[111]

In addition, if he was not a Communist, Oppenheimer fooled not just Soviet intelligence and the Communist Party, but even his close friends in this small, secretive group into thinking he was. According to Chevalier, “O. had been, from 1937 to 1943, a CP member, which I knew directly.”[112] He added that he and Oppenheimer belonged to “the same unit of the CP from 1938 to 1942.”[113] Griffiths, who served as the Communist Party's “liaison with the Faculty group at the University of California,” confirmed that among the “members of the communist group” at Berkeley were “Haakon Chevalier of the French Department and Robert Oppenheimer of Physics.”[114]

Oppenheimer was the primary author of a report signed “College Faculties Committee, Communist Party of California,” which he also paid to have printed, said Chevalier.[115] It defended the Soviet invasion of Finland (during the Nazi-Soviet pact), calling President Roosevelt a "counter-revolutionary war-monger."[116] The report contains unusual wording characteristic of Oppenheimer’s writing, suggesting that Oppenheimer might at least have "had a hand in editing a draft," according to historian Martin J. Sherwin.[117] MIT physics professor emeritus (and former Oppenheimer pupil) Philip Morrison, an ex-Communist,[118] confirmed that in 1939 (during the Pact) he delivered to the printers a pamphlet Oppenheimer wrote (and paid for) taking “the strict Party line in defending the Soviet invasion of Finland.”[119]
"Unlisted member"

In April 1942 Oppenheimer's name was formally submitted for security clearance for the Manhattan Project; the following month, observed William L. Borden, executive director of the congressional Joint Committee on Atomic Energy (JCAE), Oppenheimer "either stopped contributing funds to the Communist Party or else made his contributions through a new channel not yet discovered."[120] Oppenheimer "appears to have dropped out of the party in early 1942,” write Haynes, Klehr and Vassiliev.[121] According to Jerrold L. Schecter, spokesman for the National Security Administration in the Carter administration, “Robert Oppenheimer’s long time membership in the Communist Party of the United States was made secret in 1942.”[122]

FBI surveillance in 1942-43 reported that Alameda County Communist Party Secretary Bernadette Doyle told John Murra, a “suspected intelligence agent of the USSR,” that “OPPENHEIMER was a party member but that his name should be removed from any mailing lists in John Murra’s possession and he should not mention it in any way,” and told Nelson (according to a telephone intercept)[123] “that she believes the matter should be taken up with the state committee regarding the two OPPIES, inasmuch as they were regularly registered [as members of the Communist Party] and everyone in the county knew they were Communists."[124]

According to Kheifetz, "due to their special military work, the connection with them [Robert and Frank Oppenheimer] was suspended.”[125] Ovakimian and Graur reported to Merkulov: “In view of the special significance and importance of the work he does... the fellowcountryman organization received orders from its center to break off relations with ‘Ch.’ [i.e., "Chester," Oppenheimer's code name] to avoid his exposure.”[126] Merkulov summarized:
“ Due to complications of the operational situation in the USA, dissolution of the Comintern[127] and explanations of Comrades Zarubin and Kheifets on the Mironov affair[128] it is expedient to immediately sever contacts of leaders and activists of the American Communist Party with scientists and specialists engaged in work on uranium.[129] ”

A 1945 Soviet code-message refers to instructions to “send GURON [‘Huron’][130] to CHICAGO to re-establish contact with VEKSEL….” The National Security Agency’s Venona project analysts identified VEKSEL as “Probably Dr. Julius Robert Oppenheimer.”[131]
Espionage at Los Alamos

In testimony before the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations (PSI), Crouch was asked about Oppenheimer:
“ The CHAIRMAN. ...Is there any doubt in your mind... [that] Oppenheimer was under Communist party discipline at the time you were attending these Communist meetings with him?

Mr. CROUCH. No, sir, none whatever.

The CHAIRMAN. And if he were under Communist party discipline, he, of course, would be bound to turn over any atomic secrets to them that he had available?

Mr. CROUCH. That the party directed.

The CHAIRMAN. And naturally they would be interested in any atomic information he had?

Mr. CROUCH. Yes, sir. Just as a matter of fact, the Communist Party might have chosen to direct him to turn over the information; they might have chosen to direct him to appoint other Communists to key positions who would in turn, turn over the information. It is a matter of record that Dr. Oppenheimer has appointed many Communists to key positions to the atomic energy program..."[132]


Among those Oppenheimer brought into the project were his former grad students Bohm, Peters and Lomanitz; his brother Frank; and David Hawkins—all of whom were well known to him to be “members of the Communist Party or closely associated with activities of the Communist Party.”[133] Frank testified that he was a member (under the cover name "Frank Fulsome") from 1937 until 1940 or '41;[134] Hawkins testified that he was a member at Berkeley from 1938 to 1943;[135] Bohm officially joined the Communist Party in 1942[136] and later testified that he was a member at the Berkeley Radiation Laboratory during World War II.[137]

In 1942, FBI surveillance recorded Lomanitz telling Nelson he was working on a highly secret weapon; Nelson advised Lomanitz to keep his Party activity quiet[138] as he was now considered a member of the underground.[139] Oppenheimer said he knew "for a fact" by August 1943 that Lomanitz was a Communist Party member.[140] Yet when, following an espionage investigation,[141] the Army released Lomanitz from Berkeley, causing him to lose his draft deferment, Oppenheimer sent an "urgent request" by telegram, urging Lomanitz' "continued availability to project,"[142] and subsequently attempted to get the Army to release Lomanitz to return to the Radiation Laboratory.[143]

In 1949, just before Lomanitz was to testify before HUAC, Oppenheimer met him on a sidewalk in Princeton, N.J., (where presumably "the FBI found it difficult to monitor his conversations"),[144] and discussed what he would say to the committee. Oppenheimer testified that the meeting was by chance, and that he only advised Lomanitz to tell the truth. But when he testified, Lomanitz refused on grounds of potential self-incrimination to answer whether or not he had been a Communist.[145]

Oppenheimer also testified that he knew "for a fact" by August 1943 that Weinberg was a Communist Party member[146] and had heard even at Berkeley that Weinberg had been a member of the Young Communist League.[147] FBI surveillance recorded Weinberg, who had gotten into the Manhattan project using Oppenheimer as a reference, telling Nelson he had been a Communist Party member since 1938.[148] Nelson warned Weinberg to burn his party membership book.[149] In 1943, FBI surveillance recorded Weinberg ("Scientist X") reading to Nelson "what appeared to be a technical formula used in the Project," which Nelson copied down.[150] Weinberg told Nelson he had to return the formula to the University of California Radiation Laboratories in the morning. Several days later Nelson met with Peter Ivanov (a GRU agent operating out of the Soviet consulate in San Francisco,[151] where Kheifetz was under cover as vice consul),[152] and gave him a package.[153] A few days later, "Zubilin" (Vasily Zarubin, NKVD station chief in the U.S. from 1941 to 1944) was transferred from the Soviet Embassy in Washington to the San Francisco consulate. Shortly thereafter, Zubilin gave Nelson ten bills of unknown denominations.[154]

At least three of the five scientists under Oppenheimer's direct supervision leaked secret information about the atomic bomb to the Soviet Union. These include Klaus Fuchs, Theodore Hall, and David Greenglass.[155] KGB archival data smuggled out by Vassiliev reveal that two more spies, Boris Podolsky (code-named Quantum) and Russell McNutt (code-named Fogel, later changed to Pers), were also at Los Alamos during Oppenheimer's tenure.[156]
Allegations against Oppenheimer

According to Herbert Romerstein, former chief of the U.S. Information Agency's Office to Counter Soviet Disinformation and Active Measures:[157] "Atomic scientist J. Robert Oppenheimer performed work on behalf of the Soviet Union."[158] Oppenheimer supplied the Soviets with classified reports on atom bomb development—in part via Elizabeth Zarubina (wife of Vasily Zarubin), who was in direct contact with Oppenheimer's wife, Kitty—according to Pavel Sudoplatov, Moscow-based overseer of Soviet atom-bomb espionage. In his 1994 memoir, Sudoplatov wrote:
“ I set up a network of illegals who convinced Robert Oppenheimer, Enrico Fermi, Leo Szilard, Bruno Pontecorvo, Alan Nunn May, Klaus Fuchs and other scientists in America and Great Britain to share atomic secrets with us..... We received reports on the progress of the Manhattan Project from Oppenheimer and his friends in oral form, through comments and asides, and from documents transferred through clandestine methods with their full knowledge that the information they were sharing would be passed on. One agent cited Oppenheimer's stressing that information should be leaked so as not to be traceable to those who worked in Los Alamos. In all, there were five classified reports made available by Oppenheimer describing the progress of work on the atomic bomb.[159] ”

Sudoplatov's allegations are corroborated by a 1982 letter he wrote to then-Soviet Premier Yuri Andropov, stating: "Department S [Sudoplatov's department] rendered considerable help to our scientists by giving them the latest materials on atom bomb research, obtained from such sources as the famous nuclear physicists R. Oppenheimer, E. Fermi, K. Fuchs and others."[160] Romerstein and Breindel comment: "It would have made no sense for Sudoplatov to lie to Andropov, the former head of KGB and dictator of the Soviet Union, who would have easily found him out."[161]

According to FBI surveillance in 1943, Nelson (who often visited Oppenheimer's wife in Berkeley)[162] advised Weinberg "that OPPENHEIMER had indicated to him the basic idea of the project";[163] in 1945, Jack Manley would state that “Oppenheimer told Steven Nelson several years ago that the Army was working on the atomic bomb.”[164]

Merkulov reported to Beria, "In 1942 one of the leaders of scientific work on uranium in the USA, Professor R. Oppenheimer... informed us about the beginning of work. On the request of Comrade Kheifitz,[165] confirmed by Comrade Browder, he provided cooperation in access to research for several of our tested sources including a relative of Comrade Browder."[166] (Browder's niece, Helen Lowry, was a Soviet agent married to Iskhak Akhmerov,[167] the leading NKVD "illegal" in the United States.)[168] Schecter concludes that Oppenheimer “was being used as a Soviet intelligence asset by the Communist Underground to help obtain atomic secrets.”[169]
The Chevalier incident

In 1943, the Soviets tried to establish direct contact with Oppenheimer. Ivanov instructed George Eltenton (a British-born Soviet intelligence source code-named “Dorin”)[170] to feel Oppenheimer out about covertly leaking American nuclear secrets to the Soviet Union, according to Eltenton’s statement to the FBI.[171] Eltenton said he asked Chevalier to pitch the idea to Oppenheimer.[172] Chevalier approached Oppenheimer in February or March 1943, but Oppenheimer failed to report the incident for some eight months.[173]

Approximately six weeks after Oppenheimer's security clearance came through, on August 25, Lieutenant Lyall Johnson, the security officer at Berkeley, questioned him about Lomanitz, whom Oppenheimer had tried to keep on the Manhattan Project, even though he had supplied highly sensitive information to the Soviets.[174] Oppenheimer stated that he had heard that Eltenton, too, had offered to supply technical data to the Soviets.[175] Johnson immediately called Lieutenant Colonel Boris T. Pash, Chief of Counter-Intelligence for the Ninth Army Corps on the West Coast.[176] The following day, Pash and Johnson interrogated Oppenheimer about Eltenton. Oppenheimer stated:
“ I think it is true that a man, whose name I never heard, who was attached to the Soviet consul, has indicated indirectly through intermediary people concerned in this project that he was in a position to transmit, without any danger of a leak, or scandal, or anything of that kind, information, which they might supply. ”

Oppenheimer then named Eltenton, stating:
“ He has probably been asked to do what he can to provide information. Whether he is successful or not, I do not know, but he talked to a friend of his who is also an acquaintance of one of the men on the project, and that was one of the channels by which this thing went. ”

Johnson asked whether "there was a particular person, maybe a person on the project that they were trying to pump information from."

Oppenheimer answered, "I have known of 2 or 3 cases, and I think two of the men were with me at Los Alamos—they are men who are very closely associated with me." Eltenton, he added, "had very good contacts with a man from the embassy attached to the consulate who was a very reliable guy (that's his story) and who had a lot of experience in microfilm work, or whatever the hell." Eltenton did not contact anyone on the Manhattan Project directly, said Oppenheimer, but through an intermediary, "a member of the [Berkeley] faculty, but not on the project."[177]

The following month Colonel Lansdale told Oppenheimer that "we have known since February that several people were transmitting information about this project to the Soviet Government." Oppenheimer said the intermediary, whom he still refused to name, was "an acquaintance of mine, I've known over many years," adding, "I know him as a fellow traveler." Lansdale confronted Oppenheimer, stating: "I have reason to believe that you yourself were felt out, I don't say asked, but felt out to ascertain how you felt about it, passing a little information, to the party." Then Lansdale struck home:

L. [Lansdale] How about Haakon Chevalier?

O. [Oppenheimer] Is he a member of the party?

L. I don't know.

O. He is a member of the faculty and I know him well. I wouldn't be surprised if he were a member, he is quite a Red.
Oppenheimer refused to admit Chevalier's involvement for ten months.[181] Finally, in December 1943, Groves told Oppenheimer to divulge the name. "I told him if you don't tell me, I am going to have to order you to do it," Groves would later testify. Oppenheimer promptly answered that it was Chevalier. When Groves asked the names of the three people Chevalier had approached, however, Oppenheimer changed his story: there were not three people, but only one—Oppenheimer himself. From what Oppenheimer told him, Groves concluded:
that there was an approach made, that Dr. Oppenheimer knew of this approach, that at some point he was involved in that the approach was made to him—I don't mean involved in the sense that he gave anything—I mean he just knew about it personally from the fact that he was in the chain, and that he didn't report it in its entirety as he should have done.

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Slaakman, here's someone who agrees with you about 9/11:

"Truther Jihadist Wishes Al-Qaeda Had Committed 9/11 Attacks"

from http://www.theonion.com/articles/truther-jihadist-wishes-alqaeda-had-committed-911,33421/





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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 8/9/2013 12:23:48 AM   
SLAAKMAN


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But the whole thing was an inside job by the U.S. government and then covered up by the mainstream American media.

Silly Onion-Newblettes, this part is utterly true. The Lame-stream media hacks are global enemy #1.

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Unfortunately.” Al-Mouqrin added that he is at least relieved al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden is still alive and currently planning imminent attacks on several major U.S. cities.

Silly Zorch-Newblette, strawmans wont convince anyone. Bin Laden died in 2001 or 2002 from diabetes complications.

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 8/9/2013 12:29:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SLAAKMAN

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But the whole thing was an inside job by the U.S. government and then covered up by the mainstream American media.

Silly Onion-Newblettes, this part is utterly true. The Lame-stream media hacks are global enemy #1.

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Unfortunately.” Al-Mouqrin added that he is at least relieved al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden is still alive and currently planning imminent attacks on several major U.S. cities.

Silly Zorch-Newblette, strawmans wont convince anyone. Bin Laden died in 2001 or 2002 from diabetes complications.


That's your story and you're sticking to it, eh?

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 8/9/2013 1:03:33 AM   
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That's your story and you're sticking to it, eh?

I am indeed~

http://12160.info/profiles/blogs/usama-bin-laden-died-in-december-2001-of-marfan-syndrome
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Former CIA officer and hugely respected intelligence & foreign policy expert Robert Baer, who in 2008 when asked about Bin Laden by a radio host responded, “Of course he is dead.”

Fox News reported on December 26, 2001 that;

Usama bin Laden has died a peaceful death due to an untreated lung complication, the Pakistan Observer reported, citing a Taliban leader who allegedly attended the funeral of the Al Qaeda leader.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41576,00.html#ixzz24tcXuoJJ

- On January 18, 2002, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf announced: “I think now, frankly, he is dead.”

- On July 17, 2002, the then-head of counterterrorism at the FBI, Dale Watson, told a conference of law enforcement officials that “I personally think he [Bin Laden] is probably not with us anymore.”

- In October 2002, Afghan President Hamid Karzai told CNN that “I would come to believe that [Bin Laden] probably is dead.

- In 2003, former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright told Fox News Channel analyst Morton Kondracke she suspected Bush knew the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden and was waiting for the most politically expedient moment to announce his capture.

- In November 2005, Senator Harry Reid revealed that he was told Osama may have died in the Pakistani earthquake of October that year.

- In February 2007, Professor Bruce Lawrence, head of Duke University’s Religious Studies program, stated that the purported video and audio tapes that were being released of Bin Laden were fake and that he was probably dead.

- On November 2, 2007, former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto told Al-Jazeera’s David Frost that Omar Sheikh had killed Osama Bin Laden.

- In March 2009, former US foreign intelligence officer and professor of international relations at Boston University Angelo Codevilla stated: “All the evidence suggests Elvis Presley is more alive today than Osama Bin Laden.”

- In May 2009, Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari confirmed that his “counterparts in the American intelligence agencies” hadn’t heard anything from Bin Laden in seven years and confirmed “I don’t think he’s alive.”


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