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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/3/2013 5:57:30 PM   
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Israeli False-Flaggers Flown in for Boston Shoot-Out?

By Kevin Barrett

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09g5y2BhzCU
Update: The authorities now claim the Boston bombing suspects are Chechnyan Muslims. How odd! The US and Israel are allies of the Chechnyan Muslims in their fight against Russia. In fact, the US and Israel create and fund Chechyan “al-Qaeda” cells to conduct terror attacks against Russia.

So maybe these suspects are the usual al-CIA-duh patsies. And maybe Israeli “terror experts”were flown to the US to oversee the framing of the Muslim patsies.

The father of the suspects, like Mohamed Atta’s father, understands this all too well:
Father of suspected bombers: ‘My sons were set-up’

Posted Friday morning, April 19th, 2013

Were Israeli false-flag terror experts – maybe even some who helped pull off 9/11, the operation that Mossad operative Mike Harari bragged about – flown in to Boston to set up a shoot-out as dénouement to the Boston Marathon bombing?

At this point it’s just a hypothesis. But suspicions were aroused two days ago, when Israeli Police Chief Yohanan Danino announced that his officers had flown to Boston to “meet with Federal Bureau of Investigation agents and other authorities” to participate in the investigation of the Boston bombing. As RT reported, Danino dispatched police officers to participate in discussions that “will center on the Boston Marathon bombings and deepening professional cooperation between the law enforcement agencies of both countries.”

But wait a minute…why would American police need Israelis, or other foreigners, to investigate an American crime? And more pertinently: How did Danino know that there would be any Boston Marathon bombings for his team to investigate? According to RT, “Israeli law enforcement planned the trip before the deadly pair of bombings on Monday that has so far claimed three lives.”

When government agents pre-plan their trip to a crime scene, it means they – or their governments – had foreknowledge of the crime. One notorious example: Just a few minutes after the Pentagon was devastated by explosions on 9/11, FBI agents showed up at the gas station and hotel across the street and confiscated security videos showing what had happened. Obviously those agents were sent to confiscate the videos before the Pentagon had been attacked, by people who orchestrated the attack. It was a crime scene clean-up, not an investigation.

Another example: FBI agents left their offices in Minneapolis, Minnesota to drive to Duluth to investigate the scene of Senator Paul Wellstone’s plane crash. The problem: When the agents left, Wellstone’s plane had not yet crashed. They arrived at the crash site far too early – and proceeded to cover up the crime rather than investigating it.

Israelis, even more than the FBI, have a habit of “showing up too early” for terror events. The notorious dancing Israelis, Mossad agents who were arrested on 9/11 for filming and celebrating the destruction of the World Trade Center, had their cameras in place, trained on the Twin Towers, before the first plane hit. They even admitted their foreknowledge on Israeli national television, saying “Our purpose was to document the event.”



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Update: The authorities now claim the Boston bombing suspects are Chechnyan Muslims. How odd! The US and Israel are allies of the Chechnyan Muslims in their fight against Russia. In fact, the US and Israel create and fund Chechyan “al-Qaeda” cells to conduct terror attacks against Russia.

So maybe these suspects are the usual al-CIA-duh patsies. And maybe Israeli “terror experts”were flown to the US to oversee the framing of the Muslim patsies.

The father of the suspects, like Mohamed Atta’s father, understands this all too well:
Father of suspected bombers: ‘My sons were set-up’



Posted Friday morning, April 19th, 2013

Were Israeli false-flag terror experts – maybe even some who helped pull off 9/11, the operation that Mossad operative Mike Harari bragged about – flown in to Boston to set up a shoot-out as dénouement to the Boston Marathon bombing?

At this point it’s just a hypothesis. But suspicions were aroused two days ago, when Israeli Police Chief Yohanan Danino announced that his officers had flown to Boston to “meet with Federal Bureau of Investigation agents and other authorities” to participate in the investigation of the Boston bombing. As RT reported, Danino dispatched police officers to participate in discussions that “will center on the Boston Marathon bombings and deepening professional cooperation between the law enforcement agencies of both countries.”

But wait a minute…why would American police need Israelis, or other foreigners, to investigate an American crime? And more pertinently: How did Danino know that there would be any Boston Marathon bombings for his team to investigate? According to RT, “Israeli law enforcement planned the trip before the deadly pair of bombings on Monday that has so far claimed three lives.”

When government agents pre-plan their trip to a crime scene, it means they – or their governments – had foreknowledge of the crime. One notorious example: Just a few minutes after the Pentagon was devastated by explosions on 9/11, FBI agents showed up at the gas station and hotel across the street and confiscated security videos showing what had happened. Obviously those agents were sent to confiscate the videos before the Pentagon had been attacked, by people who orchestrated the attack. It was a crime scene clean-up, not an investigation.

Another example: FBI agents left their offices in Minneapolis, Minnesota to drive to Duluth to investigate the scene of Senator Paul Wellstone’s plane crash. The problem: When the agents left, Wellstone’s plane had not yet crashed. They arrived at the crash site far too early – and proceeded to cover up the crime rather than investigating it.

Israelis, even more than the FBI, have a habit of “showing up too early” for terror events. The notorious dancing Israelis, Mossad agents who were arrested on 9/11 for filming and celebrating the destruction of the World Trade Center, had their cameras in place, trained on the Twin Towers, before the first plane hit. They even admitted their foreknowledge on Israeli national television, saying “Our purpose was to document the event.”

Another Israeli who “showed up too early” on 9/11 was Ehud Barak. As Christopher Bollyn writes:

Within minutes of the airplane crashes on 9-11, Ehud Barak (the founder and master of the Israeli military’s covert operation force, the Sayeret Matkal) was in the London studio of the BBC World ready to provide a plausible (and political) explanation to the world. Barak, the real mastermind of 9-11, was the first person to call for a “War on Terror” – and U.S. intervention in Afghanistan and the Middle East.

Benjamin Netanyahu was another “early responder” on 9/11. His first response, when asked for a reaction to 9/11, was: “It’s very good.”

Another example of Israel’s overly-rapid response to disasters: The Israeli team sent to offer “humanitarian aid” to Haiti after the earthquake was dispatched almost before the aftershocks had subsided. How were they organized so quickly? Perhaps the recently-assassinated President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela was right when he charged that the Haitian earthquake was created by HAARP or other artificial means.



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Update: The authorities now claim the Boston bombing suspects are Chechnyan Muslims. How odd! The US and Israel are allies of the Chechnyan Muslims in their fight against Russia. In fact, the US and Israel create and fund Chechyan “al-Qaeda” cells to conduct terror attacks against Russia.

So maybe these suspects are the usual al-CIA-duh patsies. And maybe Israeli “terror experts”were flown to the US to oversee the framing of the Muslim patsies.

The father of the suspects, like Mohamed Atta’s father, understands this all too well:
Father of suspected bombers: ‘My sons were set-up’



Posted Friday morning, April 19th, 2013

Were Israeli false-flag terror experts – maybe even some who helped pull off 9/11, the operation that Mossad operative Mike Harari bragged about – flown in to Boston to set up a shoot-out as dénouement to the Boston Marathon bombing?

At this point it’s just a hypothesis. But suspicions were aroused two days ago, when Israeli Police Chief Yohanan Danino announced that his officers had flown to Boston to “meet with Federal Bureau of Investigation agents and other authorities” to participate in the investigation of the Boston bombing. As RT reported, Danino dispatched police officers to participate in discussions that “will center on the Boston Marathon bombings and deepening professional cooperation between the law enforcement agencies of both countries.”

But wait a minute…why would American police need Israelis, or other foreigners, to investigate an American crime? And more pertinently: How did Danino know that there would be any Boston Marathon bombings for his team to investigate? According to RT, “Israeli law enforcement planned the trip before the deadly pair of bombings on Monday that has so far claimed three lives.”

When government agents pre-plan their trip to a crime scene, it means they – or their governments – had foreknowledge of the crime. One notorious example: Just a few minutes after the Pentagon was devastated by explosions on 9/11, FBI agents showed up at the gas station and hotel across the street and confiscated security videos showing what had happened. Obviously those agents were sent to confiscate the videos before the Pentagon had been attacked, by people who orchestrated the attack. It was a crime scene clean-up, not an investigation.

Another example: FBI agents left their offices in Minneapolis, Minnesota to drive to Duluth to investigate the scene of Senator Paul Wellstone’s plane crash. The problem: When the agents left, Wellstone’s plane had not yet crashed. They arrived at the crash site far too early – and proceeded to cover up the crime rather than investigating it.

Israelis, even more than the FBI, have a habit of “showing up too early” for terror events. The notorious dancing Israelis, Mossad agents who were arrested on 9/11 for filming and celebrating the destruction of the World Trade Center, had their cameras in place, trained on the Twin Towers, before the first plane hit. They even admitted their foreknowledge on Israeli national television, saying “Our purpose was to document the event.”

Another Israeli who “showed up too early” on 9/11 was Ehud Barak. As Christopher Bollyn writes:

Within minutes of the airplane crashes on 9-11, Ehud Barak (the founder and master of the Israeli military’s covert operation force, the Sayeret Matkal) was in the London studio of the BBC World ready to provide a plausible (and political) explanation to the world. Barak, the real mastermind of 9-11, was the first person to call for a “War on Terror” – and U.S. intervention in Afghanistan and the Middle East.

Benjamin Netanyahu was another “early responder” on 9/11. His first response, when asked for a reaction to 9/11, was: “It’s very good.”

Another example of Israel’s overly-rapid response to disasters: The Israeli team sent to offer “humanitarian aid” to Haiti after the earthquake was dispatched almost before the aftershocks had subsided. How were they organized so quickly? Perhaps the recently-assassinated President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela was right when he charged that the Haitian earthquake was created by HAARP or other artificial means.

Another Israeli rapid-response to the Haiti earthquake was…believe it or not…hilarity. But you’re not allowed to see the proof.

Yet another amazingly rapid Israeli response: Netanyahu fled the scene of the 7/7 London bombings…before they even happened. Now THAT is a rapid response! The Mossad itself has confirmed that Netanyahu received a prior warning about the London bombings, and canceled his trip to a conference that took place next to Liverpool Station, where one of the bombs exploded.

So when Israeli “terror experts” get ready to fly to Boston to investigate a bombing, before the bombing has even happened, it does give one pause.

What could be the role of the Israeli team deployed to Boston?

Perhaps the bombing itself was set up by Israeli-linked organized crime assets, or Israeli-linked private military contractors. (One report implicates Craft International Private Military Forces.) Such people might not be in a position to completely control the investigation by US authorities, including the Boston police and FBI. So the Israelis would need to have another team, made up of police officials and “terror experts,” to interface with the US investigators, set up the patsies, and organize a dénouement. Their trip to the US would have been planned before the bombing, so they could “hit the ground running” in its immediate aftermath.

The fact that US investigators have put out two different, conflicting IDs of the bombing suspects indicates the possibility of such subterfuge. As the shoot-out reports began this morning, the AP headline reported: “Surviving Boston Bomb Suspect Identified as A. Tsarnaev, 19, of Cambridge, Massachusetts.” But other media reports identified the two suspects as Mike Mulugeta and Sunil Tripathi.

Problems like this in keeping suspects’ (or patsies’) identities straight are a regular feature of the aftermath of false-flag events. Many readers will be familiar with the case of the second Oswald involved in the JFK assassination. Another recent example: Confusion about whether the alleged shooter at Sandy Hook was Adam Lanza or his brother, Ryan Lanza. Another, less-well-known example is the way the original list of 19 suspected 9/11 hijackers was miraculously produced, hastily revised, and finally admitted by the FBI to be dubious. The original list of patsies, apparently prepared in advance by the perpetrators and produced even before the World Trade Center dust had settled, seems to have been primarily made up of identity theft victims. It included the names Adnan and Ameer Bukhari – whose names had to be hastily removed, and replaced by those of other identity-theft victims, when one turned up alive and the other had been dead for a year. But the new list was never subsequently revised – even after half the people on the list turned up alive and were obviously innocent. (The source of this information, by the way, is not a “conspiracy web site” – it’s a scholarly article published by Elsevier, Europe’s leading academic publisher.)

As of this writing, one of the Boston bombing suspects has been “killed in a shoot-out” while the other is still being pursued and/or shot at. Dead patsies are always convenient – it makes a trial unnecessary. And a trial, in which the suspect is presumed innocent, and in which the defense can use discovery, is not what false-flag terrorists want. Lee Harvey Oswald was shot down by mob hit-man Jack Ruby, and then Ruby injected with cancer, to prevent either case from coming to trial. The alleged 19 hijackers were rubbed out, one way or another. Adam Lanza is dead. That way, William Pepper and other truth-seeking lawyers can’t step in and represent innocent patsies like James Earl Ray and Sirhan Sirhan, thereby opening the cans of worms that the perps wish to keep closed.

The Israeli Mossad, the world-class A Team of false-flag terror, has admitted to bombing US targets in Egypt during the Lavon Affair. (Admitted, hell – they actually lavished honors on the perpetrators!) Mossad defectors like Victor Ostrovsky and Ari Ben-Menashe have revealed that virtually all of the high-profile terror incidents affecting Israel, from the Achille Lauro incident to the Entebbe hijacking, have been arranged by the Mossad. And, as mentioned before, legendary Mossad operative Mike Harari has openly bragged of orchestrating the 9/11 attacks.

And then there is the USS Liberty attack. Israelis obviously have no scruples about mass-murdering Americans.

If you don’t want people to suspect you of every terror attack, you should stop committing so much false flag terrorism.

Yowling about “anti-Semitism” isn’t going to cut it much longer.

And while you’re at it, maybe you should change your motto.

“By way of deception thou shalt do war” is a dead giveaway.

It almost sounds like a confession


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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/3/2013 9:44:20 PM   
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Napoleon at Bay.

Napoleon's Last Campaign in Germany.

The Wages of Destruction.

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/3/2013 9:48:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SLAAKMAN

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Aurelian
We know because if they hadn't there would be no 16th Amendment.

At least those of us who read something besides conspiracy stuff know that.

OF COURSE BECAUSE YOURE SOOOOO OMNISCIENT. AFTER ALL YOURE IN LOVE WITH BIG BROTHER. WHAT PART OF 1984 DO YOU NOT AGREE WITH?


Every part that you think is true.

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/3/2013 10:14:55 PM   
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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/3/2013 10:17:58 PM   
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quote:

Orwellian,
Every part that you think is true.

You condone Obama's reign of terror. I think you lie.

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/4/2013 1:36:39 AM   
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I very much like Atkinson's writing style, similar to Antony Beevor in his "historical narrative" genre.

Reading through An Army at Dawn, I realize how much I didn't know about the North African campaign. Like a lot of people, I focus so much on the Eastern Front or Normandy to the detriment of the other theaters... I expect I will learn a lot too when I'll attack the second book of the trilogy about Sicily and Italy.

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ORIGINAL: Tzar007

I started reading "An Army at Dawn", the first book of the trilogy of Rick Atkinson about the liberation of Western Europe by the Allies:



Enjoyed the first two of his trilogy. Looking forward to the third soon.


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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/4/2013 1:41:30 AM   
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Rising Sun is a classic about the Pacific War. I was fascinated by it, probably because it's being told from the point of view of the Japanese. The part about how pig-headed the Japanese were about trying to keep Guadalcanal is incredible.

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hi there!
i'm into the 2nd half of the 1st volume of 'the rising sun' by john toland - pretty tough stuff...
...after reading the facts from the allied side.

cheers!
chem!

btw, the pacific war by john costello is waiting in my queue...


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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/4/2013 1:57:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SLAAKMAN

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Orwellian,
Every part that you think is true.

You condone Obama's reign of terror. I think you lie.


Typical.

Not my concern if the answer is not to your liking.

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/4/2013 2:31:23 AM   
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quote:

Orwellian,
Typical.

Not my concern if the answer is not to your liking.

Spoken like a true despot. Too bad we havent yet met on the battlefield.


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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/4/2013 3:04:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SLAAKMAN

quote:

Orwellian,
Typical.

Not my concern if the answer is not to your liking.

Spoken like a true despot. Too bad we havent yet met on the battlefield.



You really should take your own advice.

"Battlefield".riiiiiiiight.




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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/4/2013 5:42:19 AM   
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quote:

Orwellian,
You really should take your own advice.

"Battlefield".riiiiiiiight
.


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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/4/2013 6:38:59 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SLAAKMAN

quote:

Orwellian,
You really should take your own advice.

"Battlefield".riiiiiiiight
.




Wow, that's original.............

http://www.crank.net/conspiracy.html




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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/4/2013 8:22:13 AM   
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Craig Symonds 'The Battle of Midway'. I'm on something of a Pacific 'kick' at the moment and was looking for something suitable to read, and that one seemed to have very good reviews. Deserved, too; both very comprehensive and very readable.

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/4/2013 1:56:00 PM   
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quote:

Orwellian,
Wow, that's original.............

http://www.crank.net/conspiracy.html



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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/4/2013 1:57:58 PM   
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quote:

Craig Symonds 'The Battle of Midway'. I'm on something of a Pacific 'kick' at the moment and was looking for something suitable to read, and that one seemed to have very good reviews. Deserved, too; both very comprehensive and very readable.

Thanks Mr Hertston. Now maybe you would wish to exploit that Jones for all things Pacific by joining a game of World in Flames on Vassal?

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/4/2013 3:37:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SLAAKMAN

quote:

Orwellian,
Wow, that's original.............

http://www.crank.net/conspiracy.html




Awwwwww you're so adorable....

http://www.jcs-group.com/enigma/confidential/crackpot.html

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/4/2013 3:48:13 PM   
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Orwellian, http://www.jcs-group.com/enigma/confidential/crackpot.html

Hmmmm lets see here. I can either trust you, an ignoramus with no education in Logic and History or I can consider the research of Henry Makow, PhD. Which should I choose....Donny or Henry?.....



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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/4/2013 3:53:42 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SLAAKMAN

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Orwellian, http://www.jcs-group.com/enigma/confidential/crackpot.html

Hmmmm lets see here. I can either trust you, an ignoramus with no education in Logic and History or I can consider the research of Henry Makow, PhD. Which should I choose....Donny or Henry?.....




Awww shucks, read the thread title and get back to me.


http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/10/17/the-final-word-on-the-crackpot-conspiracist-mindset/

1.Conspiracist Crackpots do not have a measured view of human nature and human ability. They are unable to realize that human beings are not capable of keeping the secrets and pulling the massive cons required of conspiracy narratives.

2.Conspiracist Crackpots do not understand Ockham’s Razor, one of the key principles of logical thought. Even if you explain it to them they’ll just say, “Aha! You contradict yourself. It says right there that the simplest explanation is only usually the correct one.” You pointing out Ockham’s Razor to them is probably the first time they have ever heard of the concept.

3.Conspiracist Crackpots tend to be obsessed with Nazism to one degree or another. The Crackpots see the horrors of Nazism as somehow evidence that grand conspiracies happen. “If a government murdering its people happened in Germany in the ’30s it can happen anywhere right now!”

4.Conspiracist Crackpots are oblivious to the fact that their conspiracy of choice tends to relate directly to their political views. Not only that but their embrace of the conspiracy actually flows out of their political ideology. Every single Birther is opposed to Barack Obama on policy grounds. Truthers who think 9/11 was an “inside job” done by the government are almost always politically opposed to the government. Leftist Truthers hate America and Right-wing Truthers hate the federal government. Holocaust deniers hate Jews. Afrocentric leftists who think the government engineered AIDS and crack also think America is fundamentally racist. You can do this with virtually every conspiracy.

5.Crackpot conspiracists are unqualified amateurs who rarely have any expertise to analyze the events they’re talking about. Yet they have the audacity to come to conclusions that run counter to the majority of trained experts.

6.Crackpot conspiracists do not understand that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. A youtube video proves nothing. What kind of mind actually gets changed as a result of some video on the internet?

7.Crackpot conspiracists do not dialogue. There’s no reason for it. They have the Truth and are there to preach, they’re not “questioning” or “chasing truths.” They’ve already found the answers. They are in no way “open minded.” Hence they won’t really answer your questions. They’ll just change the subject.

8.Crackpot conspiracists usually believe in more than one conspiracy. It’s no coincidence that perennial third-party candidate Ed Noonan, who showed up on one of the threads, is both a proud Birther and Truther.

9.Crackpot conspiracists are not able to see ambiguity or complexity. In my dialogue with the Truther he said multiple times that I had the fallacy of believing that there weren’t any conspiracies. I never said that. Conspiracies do in fact happen. 9/11 was indeed a conspiracy. Al Qaeda conspired in secret to attack America and they did it. Rational people understand the difference, though, between rationally acknowledging small, individual conspiracies and irrationally seeing grand conspiracies that are unsupported by adequate evidence.


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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/4/2013 4:05:49 PM   
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Orwellian,
Awww shucks, guess the truth hurts.

Oh dear, Im just sooooo wounded.


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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/4/2013 4:11:11 PM   
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Orwellian,
Awww shucks, read the thread title and get back to me.

Its the 4th of July, not that a Commie like you would notice. Im going fishing.


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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/4/2013 6:38:44 PM   
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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/5/2013 5:09:05 PM   
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Boston Bombing Involves Clearly Staged Carnage

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False flag theater: Boston bombing involves clearly staged carnage By Sheila Casey for Veterans Today

The mainstream media story of the Boston Marathon bombing is of Chechen terrorists who unleashed weapons of mass destruction, killing four and wounding 264 in an unthinkable scene of “bodies flying into the street”, “so many people without legs” and “blood everywhere.”

A massive police response followed, with 9,000 federal, state, FBI and Department of Homeland Security troops conducting door-to-door searches to find and subdue the “armed and extremely dangerous” suspects. Cops unceremoniously ousted residents from their homes to set up impromptu battle stations, and one aimed a gun at a resident who was snapping his picture from a window.

For the vast majority of the American population, this is the truth and they feel no need to look further. Yet those who are willing to question the narrative we’ve been sold and take a hard look behind the curtain may be in for a surprise. Based on the video and photo record, it seems clear that the lead actor in this production—the most grievously wounded, as well as the man who fingered Dzhokhar Tsarnaev as the bomber—was faking his injuries, as were most of those allegedly hurt by the first bomb. We were told his name is Jeff Bauman, but since that can’t be verified and his survival is unbelievable to the point of being miraculous, we’ll simply call him Miracle Man.

First let’s see what can be learned from a Boston Globe video on YouTube that starts six seconds prior to the first explosion. (For this article, I’m focusing solely on the first explosion and its now famous victim, although serious anomalies–such as the curious case of a missing mailbox– have also been reported at the site of the second explosion.)

The cameraman was standing on the finish line, facing the approaching runners, so had a view of both explosions. For 2 min and 42 seconds, he continues filming, as he walks around the area of the first explosion pointing the camera in seemingly random directions.

There is a boom and white smoke rises from the sidewalk. But nothing flies into the street: no debris, no nails or pellets, and certainly no bodies or body parts. None of the flags are knocked down or pierced by shrapnel. Watching this video, it’s easy to understand why some participants believed the explosions to be part of the finish line festivities. All runners except one keep on going: although not hit by anything, an older man falls and rolls on his back, but within 30 seconds he’s on his feet and walking to the finish line.

The second explosion seems similar in intensity to the first, although we don’t see it as clearly.

At 0:53, we get our first good look at the sidewalk behind the fence, in front of Sugar Heaven: there are about seven people there, all standing, and some litter. No blood, no one on the ground. We saw no crowds of people rushing from that area, and usually the finish line of a major race is jammed with spectators. Where did everyone go? Was the area cleared ahead of time?

At 1:17 we get a view of the sidewalk in front of the store next door, Marathon Place, ground zero for the first bomb. We see about five victims on the ground, and perhaps six assisting them. (They may be more, our view is blocked by a fence.)

At 1:53 we see that Carlos Arredondo—who achieved brief fame for rescuing the double amputee, Miracle Man—is still clutching his American flag, even as he tries to get over the fence to help the victims. This is peculiar: who holds onto something unimportant in the face of a mass disaster?

From 2:17 to 2:23 we see an older balding man dressed all in black, gesturing to people off screen to the right to come to him. I say “people,” plural, because he makes the “come to me” gesture continuously for the six seconds we see him, as if bringing in a crowd. He has a lanyard around his neck of the type used by large corporations for employee identification.

Indeed, by 2:35, as the fence is finally pulled away, the sidewalk is much more crowded than it was a minute ago. We also see that Carlos still has not reached Miracle Man.

Although we hear sirens several times, in this video we never see an ambulance or any bodies—living or dead—being carried away. Perhaps all the ambulances went to the second bombing, where people may have really been hurt. At this point the camera aims down at the street and fades out.

The video gives the impression of a bomb much, much smaller than media reports would lead one to believe. The area is swarming with runners, photographers, police and EMTs, but actual victims seem scarce. [image]
http://truthandshadows.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/jeff-bauman-long-shot.jpeg?w=660&h=400[/image]
The uncropped photo of the poster boy for this event, who allegedly lost both legs in the first blast, raises several questions. He is in the finisher’s chute, about 40 yards from the finish line.

Where are they taking him? Why aren’t he and his severed limbs being rushed to the hospital? He reportedly ends up at Boston Medical Center, 1.5 miles away. Are they planning to get him there via wheelchair?

Why is there so little blood? We can clearly see the road behind them, and there is no blood trail. The one visible tourniquet on his leg is not tight to his skin, so it cannot be properly tied or winched. A second tourniquet is caught under the wheels.

According to this article in Wikipedia, it is possible to bleed to death from a severed femoral artery in as little as three minutes. Although the femoral artery ends above the knee, there is still huge blood flow below the knee, and Miracle Man lost both legs simultaneously just below the knee. The blood should be gushing from his legs, especially because he is sitting up. Standard protocol for a traumatic amputation of the leg is to lay the patient flat and elevate the leg, using gravity to prevent uncontrolled hemorrhage. We know from other photos that a woman near Miracle Man (she is seen literally on top of him) with no visible injuries was put on a stretcher before Miracle Man. Why did she get the stretcher and not him?

How is he still conscious? Based on real time video evidence , this picture was taken more than six and a half minutes after his calves were blown off. He is not bleeding, he is sitting up with eyes open, and he is still a long way from getting medical attention. How did he survive?

By comparison, consider this video of a hockey accident where goalie Clint Marlachuk got a skate across his neck that cut his jugular vein. Just a few seconds after the cut, he’s already created a sizable pool of blood on the ice. It is easy to believe that if his bleeding had continued unchecked for a minute or two, he would be dead or close to it.

A swimmer was attacked by a great white shark off Solana Beach, CA with a bite across both legs. Although his fellow triathletes brought him immediately to shore, he died within minutes of the bite—possibly before being pulled from the water. Unlike Miracle Man, the swimmer’s legs were not completely detached.[image]
http://truthandshadows.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/hooded1.jpg[/image]
So what are we to make of these images of Miracle Man immediately after the bombing, taken from a surveillance video? In frame 1 below, the smoke is still thick so the bomb has just detonated. But far from being splayed out on the concrete in a pool of blood, clothes tattered and/or singed from the heat, struggling to comprehend what has just happened, and with multiple smaller injuries in addition to those that took off his legs, we see an odd scene.

Miracle Man is on his back in the “crunch” position often seen in gyms by those trying to tighten their abdominals.
It’s not an easy or comfortable position to hold, and certainly not the one I’d choose immediately after suffering a devastating injury like double traumatic amputation. We see no blood, injuries or torn clothing on him or anyone else in the photo. Miracle Man’s thighs, hands and elbows are in the air and a hooded man is between his stumps, in the posture of a midwife. And between the two men is a black woman, who appears to be leaning or resting on Miracle Man’s abdomen.[image]
http://truthandshadows.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/hooded2.jpg[/image]
(Frame 2) Amidst the “carnage,” the hooded man takes a moment to don his sunglasses.

In frame 2, the hooded man is putting on his sunglasses. If he truly had before him a mortally wounded man who could expire within minutes, stopping to put on his sunglasses would seem strange. For that matter, wearing a hood on a nice day with temperatures in the high 50s/low 60s is also strange—it’s no fashion statement.

But because we know that this is a faked scene, he is most likely donning the glasses to try to hide his identity. Between the hoodie and the sunglasses it works pretty well.

The black woman is still reclining on Miracle Man, who still has his hands, arms and thighs in the air. Only his lower back and buttocks are touching the pavement. We still see no blood or injuries anywhere in the frame.

In frame 3, the clean, dry bone of Miracle Man’s left calf is raised and is on the black woman’s head, but there is no blood. She is wearing a bright white shirt and it is wholly free of blood. The alleged double amputee is still in the crunch position, his hands now in front of his face. What is he doing? Why is no one attempting to tie a tourniquet or get him help? Why is Miracle Man himself not attending to his own life threatening injuries, as the goalie did by trying to stanch the blood gushing from his neck with his hands?

(Frame 4) At ground zero for the 1st bomb, there is no blood.

In frame 4, the bone of Miracle Man’s left leg is now directly over the black woman’s head, but still there is no blood, on his stump or on the woman. The red that we see is her jacket.

A few minutes later, we see this odd scene (photo below). Miracle Man isn’t visible, although we know he hasn’t left the area yet, because Carlos, his rescuer, is still there, leaning against the fence holding his cowboy hat and flag, as if waiting his cue. The hooded man is now reclining, propped up on one arm, looking very relaxed.

The shop window has been blown out, leaving a pile of broken glass on the sidewalk. The bomb was supposedly on the sidewalk, so why didn’t the glass blow in to the shop, rather than out onto the sidewalk?

Now, finally we see blood—or what could be blood if it were darker. Below is a photo of the blood from a gruesome motorcycle accident, next to the victim’s arm. It’s much thicker and darker than the substance on the Boston sidewalk.

In the lower right corner of the photo above is a bottle containing a liquid the same color as the “blood” now on the sidewalk. Did the red liquid on the sidewalk come out of this bottle? The black woman now has blood on her, although not on her head and shoulders where you’d expect it after having Miracle Man’s freshly severed leg directly over her.

Finally, here is Miracle Man after both the black woman and the hooded man have moved away from him. There is a discarded surgical glove on the ground, although no first responders have yet responded to the most badly injured victim. There is clearly no tourniquet on Miracle Man’s left leg, yet no blood flow is seen. Everyone around him seems quite nonplussed by his gruesome injuries and unmoved to help him. His right stump is much shorter than the left one, ending above the knee, and appears to be entirely encased in his pants. In the photo taken later of Jeff in the wheelchair (shown above), which according to Google Images has been published over 1 million times, his right stump has magically grown a knee.
(Miracle Man) was lying on the ground near the finish line of the Boston Marathon, grasping the hands of his girlfriend’s two roommates. Just seconds before, they’d been waiting with a sign to hold up when she completed the race. He wanted the girls to get help before he did. He didn’t realize how bad his own injuries were. But before he knew it he was in a wheelchair, and a man in a cowboy hat was pinching one of Bauman’s severed arteries.

Compare the story told by these images with the complete fantasy reported in the Concord Monitor.

(cont)

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/05/11/false-flag-theater-boston-bombing-involves-clearly-staged-carnage/




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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/5/2013 5:12:20 PM   
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Orwellian,
Very Big Brother of you.

Youre the epitome of 1984.


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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/5/2013 7:00:18 PM   
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Typical big brother. Don't like what you hear, try to shut it down.

Not going to happen O'Brien.

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/5/2013 10:24:32 PM   
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Monitors of the Royal Navy. Should be an interesting little read.

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/5/2013 10:43:33 PM   
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The Battlecruiser HMS Hood: An Illustrated Biography 1916-1941.

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/5/2013 10:51:26 PM   
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Orwellian,
Typical big brother. Don't like what you hear, try to shut it down.

Not going to happen O'Brien.

Thats your favorite scheme. Youre the antithesis of free speech.


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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/5/2013 11:12:02 PM   
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The Battlecruiser HMS Hood: An Illustrated Biography 1916-1941.
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Ball-bouncingly beautiful






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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/6/2013 2:16:32 AM   
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The Battlecruiser HMS Hood: An Illustrated Biography 1916-1941.
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Ball-bouncingly beautiful







Yes she was. At full speed, she got 9 feet to the gallon. It's a nice book. Lots of pictures of her under construction. It's a nice book.

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 7/6/2013 5:25:44 PM   
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Ah yes the beauty of the HMS Royal Oak in "action". Notice how her deck is in "camouflage mode" as she searches for enemy U-Booten on the sea floor-


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