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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 3/6/2013 12:28:34 AM   
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Mr N. Greetings. Your mission, which you will undertake is to deploy this deadly weapon onto the Mutthaus as my proxy-agentur:

Untold Truths about War on Iran
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFatuMksq2U

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 3/6/2013 12:36:09 AM   
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Silly parruski-Newblette, Have another deadly salvo:

The Big Bamboozle: 9/11 and the War on Terror


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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 3/6/2013 12:46:55 AM   
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Planes without Passengers: the Faked Hijackings of 9/11


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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 3/6/2013 12:49:56 AM   
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Suicide of a Superpower: Will America Survive to 2025?





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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 3/6/2013 6:44:48 AM   
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Wow, that's a lot of books to be reading at the moment...

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 3/6/2013 9:56:47 AM   
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Wow, that's a lot of books to be reading at the moment...


There are dozens more that you will also need to catch up on as well, Silly Warspite1-Newblette.


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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 3/6/2013 10:06:57 AM   
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Silly parusski-Newblette,
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They went up you butt.


http://www.davidcogswell.com/Essays/Northwoods911.html
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The Project for a New American Century
That brings us to the Project for a New American Century (PNAC), the neo-conservative Washington-based organization funded by three foundations closely tied to Persian Gulf oil, weapons and defense industries, whose plan "Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategies, Forces and Resources for a New Century," was completed in Septemer 2000. It outlined a plan for world military domination, which we now see beginning to play out. The plan called for an attack on Iraq, whether or not Saddam Hussein was in power, in order to solidify a power base in the Middle East.

The plan was drawn up for Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz (Rumsfeld's deputy), George W's younger brother Jeb and Lewis "Scooter" Libby (Cheney's chief of staff).

"Rebuilding America's Defenses" said that the desired military build-up needed an attack on America to kick it off. "The process of transformation," the plan said almost wistfully, "is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event-like a new Pearl Harbor."

The American Free Press asked Christopher Maletz, assistant director of the PNAC about what they meant by the need for "a new Pearl Harbor."

Maletz answered, "They needed more money to up the defense budget for raises, new arms, and future capabilities. Without some disaster or catastrophic event" neither the politicians nor the military would have gone along.

As George W. Bush's former Secretary of the Treasury Paul O'Neill recently revealed in The Price of Loyalty by Ron Suskind, attacking Iraq was the administration's raison d'etre "from Day One." The PNAC document makes it clear that the real meaning of Iraq to the elites of the PNAC was to use it as a base for its planned domination of the Middle East and its oil.

"Rebuilding America's Defenses" makes it clear: "The United States has for decades sought to play a more permanent role in Gulf regional security. While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein."

The National Security Strategy
In September 2002, the plan of the Project for a New American Century became the official policy of the United States when the Bush administration presented its paper "The National Security Strategy of the United States of America" to Congress. The presentation of an annual statement of foreign strategy is mandated by a law passed in 1986.

The plan stated that the U.S. will not allow any other country to build up a military capability that could threaten U.S. superiority. It proclaimed that the U.S. has the right to strike pre-emptively at any country it deems a threat. (See the Washington Post. See also "Exposing the PNAC")


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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 3/6/2013 7:25:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Who puts their bachelor's degrees earned on the front cover of a book? Is that a selling point?
warspite1

The first of those three groups of letters did not stand for Bachelor of Science...it stood for cow poo.

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 3/6/2013 7:31:30 PM   
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Planes without Passengers: the Faked Hijackings of 9/11

warspite1

No no no Mr S . I watched one of your 9/11 videos the other day and was reliably informed that there were NO planes. So what are we talking about here in this book? There were planes with no passengers? There were no planes with no passengers? There were no planes with passengers? WTF? Oh I know...there WERE PLANES WITH PASSENGERS..yes that's it! I knew we'd get there eventually

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 3/6/2013 7:42:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: warspite1


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ORIGINAL: SLAAKMAN

Planes without Passengers: the Faked Hijackings of 9/11

warspite1

No no no Mr S . I watched one of your 9/11 videos the other day and was reliably informed that there were NO planes. So what are we talking here in this book? There were planes with no passengers? There were no planes with no passengers? There were no planes with passengers? WTF? Oh I no...there WERE PLANES WITH PASSENGERS..yes that's it! I knew we'd get there eventually


You dill hole, he is speaking about passengers with NO planes.

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 3/6/2013 7:47:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: parusski


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ORIGINAL: warspite1


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ORIGINAL: SLAAKMAN

Planes without Passengers: the Faked Hijackings of 9/11

warspite1

No no no Mr S . I watched one of your 9/11 videos the other day and was reliably informed that there were NO planes. So what are we talking here in this book? There were planes with no passengers? There were no planes with no passengers? There were no planes with passengers? WTF? Oh I no...there WERE PLANES WITH PASSENGERS..yes that's it! I knew we'd get there eventually


You dill hole, he is speaking about people with NO planes.
warspite1

Thanks dip**** - so not Red Indians then? cos they lived on the planes. Or perhaps they were Spanish rain droplets, cos the rain in Spain stays mainly on the plane.

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 3/7/2013 2:45:04 AM   
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No no no Mr S . I watched one of your 9/11 videos the other day and was reliably informed that there were NO planes. So what are we talking about here in this book? There were planes with no passengers? There were no planes with no passengers? There were no planes with passengers? WTF? Oh I know...there WERE PLANES WITH PASSENGERS..yes that's it! I knew we'd get there eventually

Which one was that? The Mighty Slaakman KNOWS there were aircraft that struck the Twin towers but they were military vehicles laden with explosive warheads, not civilian passenger liners:

Gray Military Plane with no markings impacts WTC-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgM6hjNedE0



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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 3/7/2013 2:56:22 AM   
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Silly Warspite1-Newblette,
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warspite1

The first of those three groups of letters did not stand for Bachelor of Science...it stood for cow poo.

So tell me what is your PhD specialized in?

Silly parusski-Newblette,
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You dill hole, he is speaking about passengers with NO planes.

How many passengers were in the vehicle that struck the Pentagon?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72dUakbPGVA

Was flight 77 diverted so a missile would make the attack at the Pentagon?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDshVgRx2Xw

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Hidden in Plane Sight

June 13, 2003

After spending some time carefully examining a website that published photos of the aftermath of 9/11 at the Pentagon, it became very clear to me that there was a missing plane and 64 missing people.�

I decided to check the manifest of those killed on Flight 77, which informed me that there were �only 50 passengers and 6 crew listed.� Apparently, there were families who didn't want to list the names of their loved ones killed on the flights of 9/11. (See also: HERE)

Both of the above linked sites lists the names of those killed on flight 77.� There's also an area to click on for those who were killed at the Pentagon, and the other flights.

Now, what strikes me as curious is the number of people claimed to have been killed at the Pentagon: 125 fatalities.� I was under the �impression that this was a construction zone where it was not likely that the offices would be occupied.� In fact, in many of the Pentagon photos, you can see large spools of cable near the point of impact.� Next, if you look at the damage sustained by the building, it seems hard to believe so large a number of fatalities.� It seems like a lot of people for such a small area.�

Going back to consider the victims on Flight 77, I wanted to know a little bit more about them. This was an event that I grieved over for weeks and I wanted to know the human beings I was grieving for. As I read the list, I also began to want some answers.

Why?

Well, if you look at the occupations of the passengers of Flight 77, you get a strange feeling that something is wrong with this picture:

an electrical engineer with BAE Systems.

�2 Boeing propulsion engineers

1 Boeing engineer

a senior vice president for government relations at the Washington office of Genzyme, a biotechnology firm ~ governing cellular therapies

a physician who worked with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the surgeon general to address racial and ethnic disparities in health.

a man who worked on data systems for NASA and also developed data systems for the study of global and regional environmental issues.� Along with his family....

a retired Navy admiral/retired American Airlines pilot

a senior executive at the Defense Department

a chief operating officer of Metrocall Inc., a wireless data and messaging company.

an associate director of clinical research for a biotech firm.

a retired chemist.

a director of medical affairs, IPC

a vice president for softward development, EM Solutions, Inc.

a technical manager, XonTech Inc.

a technical group manager, XonTech Inc.

There were also a number of children along with their teachers, who were chosen by National Geographic Alliance Coordinators for this trip.� One of the teachers had this said about the trip:� "She was originally supposed to go to Florida, but two weeks ago they changed it �and told her she was going to California,"

And of course, there was Barbara Olsen, attorney, CNN Commentator and wife of the United States Solicitor General.

Family members of one of the flight attendants commented that "she was trained five years ago in how to deal with a hijacking.

One of the passengers, John D. Yamnicky Sr, was a retired naval aviator who worked for Veridian Corp., a defense contractor, since his retirement as a captain in 1979.

"He had done a number of black programs -- which means top-secret," said his son. "We were given no details."

One of the passengers, William E. Caswell, a graduate of Princeton University, was a third-generation physicist whose work at the Navy was so classified that his family knew very little about what he did each day. They don't even know exactly why he was headed to Los Angeles on the doomed American Airlines Flight 77.

�As you can see, it's a pretty impressive manifest.� A lot of knowledgeable and skillful people. �I haven't checked the passenger occupations for the other flights lost on September 11. But with just this one flight, a lot of questions come to mind.

With so many questions coming up, I decided that I wanted to know more, and it seemed obvious to try to find what the witnesses of the crash had to say. So, I went looking for the stories of the eyewitnesses.�

One of the witnesses, an Army Captain named Lincoln Liebner, reported the following:

"I saw this large American Airlines passenger jet coming in fast and low".� "Captain Liebner says the �aircraft struck a helicopter on the helipad, setting fire to a fire truck."�

Helicopter?� Fire truck?� Do they always have fire trucks sitting at the Pentagon?

Some eyewitnesses believe the plane actually hit the ground at the base of the Pentagon first, and then skidded into the building. Investigators say that's a possibility, which if true, crash experts say may well have saved some lives. However, it is hard to credit this when looking at the photos. �

Radar shows Flight 77 did a downward spiral, turning almost a complete circle and dropping the last 7,000 feet in two-and-a-half minutes. The steep turn was so smooth, the sources say, it's clear there was no fight for control going on. And the complex maneuver suggests the hijackers had better flying skills than many investigators first believed. The jetliner disappeared from radar at 9:37 and less than a minute later it clipped the tops of street lights and plowed into the Pentagon at 460 mph.

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/hidden.htm

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 3/7/2013 4:36:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SLAAKMAN

Planes without Passengers: the Faked Hijackings of 9/11




Hi SLAAK. I checked out the review of this book on Amazon.com and saw this:

Should be red by mankind in general and bought together with "Where Did The Towers Go?" by Dr. Judy Wood.

OK. I'll oblige. Note text color.

And this:

One thing that potential buyers should be aware of is that this not really a 144 page book because it is set in extra-large type. It is just over 15,000 words (i.e. a little more than 5x longer than this review), if normal size type had been used the "book" would be only 1/4 - 1/3 as long. So for $10 plus shipping you'll get a 40 or so page essay that the author had to self-publish, by contrast 350 - 700 page commercially published books by Griffin, Tarpley and Ruppert (which I think are crappy too) go for $12 - $18.

The author claimed "I use the large font so my wife can read it." [1] I find that hard to believe because as noted above the use of jumbo size text increased the page count 3 - 4x and thus increased his publishing costs by a similar proportion [2]. Obviously he knows that he can easily change type size on the computer screen or print out a large type copy for his `significant other'. Presumably then the real reason was that he knew people would be unlikely to spend over $10 for a 30 - 40 page "book".

But it's like the Groucho Marx's joke about one old lady complaining that a restaurant's food is bad and her friend not only concurring but adding "and the portions are small too". The book is a good example of why even within the "truth" movement `no planers' are considered crackpots. `Debunkers' repeatedly point out that `truthers' rarely explain what exactly they think happened that day; Mr. Hartwell to his credit tries to do so but his account is marred by tortured logic and factual errors.

=== FLIGHTS 11 AND 77 AND THE BTS ===

One of his central theories is that Flights 11 and 77 never took off Logan and Dulles and were never even scheduled to fly because they did not show up on a Bureau of Transportation Statistics webpage [pg 11]. He further went on to speculate that they were replaced by decoy planes [pgs 12, 44, 57] which he believes took off from the same airports despite there being no sign of them in the same BTS database. He also chose to ignore that the theory spelled out above is patently absurd. As I pointed out to him on an Internet forum:

"The amount of people who would have to be "in on it" or otherwise silenced is prohibitively large and would have included all the AA ticket agents at Logan and Dulles and the ones for feeder flights at other airports (and probably for the entire US since the systems are linked), dozens or more flight controllers, baggage and security crews at Logan and Dulles, the people claiming to be next of kin of those on the flights as well as personnel from the NYC Medical Examiner's offices as well as any travel agents or users of sites like Orbitz who happened to look up flights from Logan or Dulles to LAX that morning etc etc. The idea that the PTB/CIA/ONI/PNAC/MIBH etc would put together this elaborate plot to murder thousands, involving hundreds of people etc, etc would be unwilling or able to fake a BTS list is mind boggling."[3]

=== PASSENGER AND CREW PARTICIPATION IN THE PLOT ===

Hartwell repeatedly demonstrated that he will rationalize away any compelling evidence which contradict his fantasies. He did so in a particularly repulsive manner regarding the calls from Flight 11:

+++QUOTE ON+++
There are two reported calls from Flight 11, from Betty Ong and Madeline Sweeney. Their calls are reported as starting at 8:19 A.M. and 8:25 A.M.

Regardless of what types of phones were used, Ong and Sweeney could have made or had their calls made from another location (perhaps the actual Flight 11 plane on the ground) and continued until word came that the South Tower had been struck at 8:46. [pg 86]
+++QUOTE OFF+++

In other words they were 'in on it', they were perpetrators not victims. He didn't limit this offensive speculation to the heroic stewardesses, he declared that he concluded that the "passengers" (use of 'scare quotes' his) were part of the plot and left "their family and friends...[and] agree[d] to participate in [the] plot...[because they saw 9/11 as] an opportunity to change United States policies and fight what they perceive as a greater evil...Some passengers could have been blackmailed into participating" he admited that, "this conclusion comes not from eyewitness or other solid evidence, but rather logic." [pgs 92 - 3] unfortunately all manners of lunatics think their beliefs are logical.

=== FLIGHT 1989 ===

Another of his theories is that two flights made emergency landings in Cleveland rather just Delta 1989 as per the official version. The basis for this are some discrepancies between media accounts regarding the landing time, number of passengers aboard and other details. Some said 10:10 and others 10:45, some said about 200 PAX other about 70. This ignores that it is common for mistakes to be made in breaking news accounts [e.g "Dewey Wins", "Giffords Killed"].

- Landing Time:

He assumes that the `earlier' flight was 1989 and dubbed the latter "an unidentified plane" and speculates that it was really United 175. However he neglected to inform his readers that the media accounts he cited referring to BOTH landing times described it as being a Delta flight or specifically Delta 1989. For example:
"Delta Flight 1989 made an emergency landing at Hopkins about 10:45 a.m"

"There also was uncertainty and fear for several hours at Hopkins while authorities searched a Delta airliner forced to land there for signs of terrorist sabotage...The scene inside the air traffic control tower yesterday morning at Hopkins was sober and calm as controllers brought down the Delta, a 767 from Boston, that was feared to have been sabotaged...The flight to Los Angeles landed at Hopkins at 10:45 a.m."

He can not claim he was unaware of this because 1) I pointed it out to him on the aforementioned forum back in November [4]. 2) the 1st quote and part of the 2nd appear on a webpage he cited [5]. Additionally the 9/11 Timeline, which he cited several times, said it landed at 10:18 but "other accounts will say it lands at between 10:33 a.m. and 10:45" and provided links to an FAA document (10:33) and two AP articles which reported that Delta "flight 1989" a 767 from Boston to LA "landed about 10:45 a.m." [6]

- Number of Passengers:

Most accounts said there were "about 60 passengers" or 69 PAX and nine crew members but Hartwell pointed out that, "early press reports said a plane at the [Cleveland] airport had 200 passengers" [pg 61]. However he failed to inform his readers that with one exception the reports attribute or seem to attribute the number to "Cleveland Mayor Michael White" speaking at a press conference, [7] none of the accounts mentioned his location so it is doubtful he was at the airport. The exception was a reporter for a Cleveland radio station who said, "A few hours after Mayor White's first news conference, FBI Special Agent Mark Bullock confirmed that the Delta jet with 200 people aboard had landed safely and had not been in danger" [8] but the number seems not to have come from the FBI agent because:

1) A 11:37 AM 9/11 forum post (cited by Hartwell's source) said "The mayor of Cleveland has announced that an airplane containing 200 passengers has been sequestered at the Cleveland Hopkins Airport" (i.e. the number was cited less than 90 minutes after the plane landed not hours after the mayor's news conference) [9].

2) A 9/11 article from AP which cited Bullock reported "78 passengers aboard" [that was a minor error, there were 78 people {PAX and crew} on it] [10]

- 1989 or 175:

Hartwell thinks that the "2nd plane" was probably flight 175 because it, "had the capability and the opportunity to take Flight 11 passengers (to make 157) and its whereabouts were reasonably in question" [pg 17]. There are a few problems with this absurd theory.

1) There is absolutely no evidence passengers from another flight, let alone another airline, being transferred to 175. I have never heard of passengers from one airline being transferred to a competitor's flight except in the case of mechanical problems.

2) Flight 175 took off at 8:14 [11]and flight time from Logan to Cleveland is only about 68 minutes [12]. By 10:45, 2 ½ hours later if the plane had not been hijacked it would have been half way to LA [13] Probably over Iowa or Nebraska [14]

3) The flight's "whereabouts were NOT reasonably in question", its transponder was only turned off for 30 seconds before being reset it was tracked from Boston to NYC air traffic controllers at NY Center and Newark Airport, the latter of whom also see it through their windows for its last few minutes [15].

4) It was also tracked by several workers at United's crisis center in Chicago. [16]

5) 27 of the passengers and crew had their remains identified (26 via DNA) by the NYC Medical Examiners Office [17]. Hartwell knows this but made contradictory claims about it in his "book" (more on this below).

- Flights 175 and 93 Wheels -off Times:

Because the FAA and NTSB said Flight 175 took off at 8:14 but the BTS said it did so at 8:23 Hartwell speculated that the first was "a decoy" and the second carried the passengers [pgs 54 -7] and due to a similar contradiction between the BTS and press accounts regarding the take off time for Flight 93 [pgs 58 - 60] he speculated there might have two of the latter as well. Hilariously he added "but I cannot prove it" as if he offered anything approaching evidence (let alone proof) there were two 175s. Nor does ever offer a coherent explanation as to why the conspirators would not only make the plot complex but leave traces in the offical record.

=== IDENTIFICATION OF PASSENGER REMAINS ===

In his conclusion Hartwell wrote "I have offered evidence...that no independent expert has ever confirmed the identification of remains of any of the passengers at any of the sites. " [pgs 117 - 8].

That is yet another example of the utter rubbish in this "book" because most passengers (and crew) from all four flights were IDed but Hartwell seemingly only defines people who do not work for any government agency as "independent". This is ludicrous because the vast majority of forensic pathologists in the US are city, county, state or federal employees and private ones would only be called in if the next of kin hired them. So Hartwell set an impossibly high standard so as to rationalize his dismissal of evidence which refutes his lunatic theories.

He obviously dismisses out of hand the DNA identifications made by the Armed Forces Medical Examiner of most of the flight 93 (Shanksville) and all of the Flight 77 (Pentagon) victims any one working for the federal government, especially the military is assumed to be compromised. But many victims from Flights 93, 11 and 175 (WTC) were IDed by local coroners.

NYC Victims:

Earlier he rationalized his dismissal of the identification of the victims of Flights 11 and 175:

+++QUOTE ON+++
Dr. Robert Shaler, former director of the Forensic Biology Department at the New York City Office of the Chief Medical Examiner, wrote the book Who They Were: Inside the World Trade Center DNA Story: The Unprecedented Effort to Identify the Missing. He writes mostly of his staff's efforts to identify those who had worked in the World Trade Center buildings.

He says that he met with families of passengers, although this was late in the investigation. And although he mentions a few matches made with passengers and shows a chart of the number of passenger matches, he does not specify anyone.

The information above gives sufficient basis in fact to reject the official story and start anew....[pg 30]
+++QUOTE OFF+++

So he rejects the passenger and crew identifications made by Shaler and his 100 plus subordinates because he didn't mention any of their names? This is nonsensical, if he was lying he could easily claim he had IDed people he had not. Hartwell failed to mention Shaler did not name any of the 265 Flight 587 victims by name and only two of the over 2600 tower occupants who died [18]. Despite Hartwell implying he only IDed"a few" of the people on the planes the DNA expert reported he identified 77 of the 147 passengers and crew aboard the flights [19]. Worse Hartwell's rationalization was based on a false premise. On page 310 of his book Shaler discussed identifying the remains of Flight 11 passenger Daniel Lewin [20]. But Shaler worked for the City of NY while Giuliani was mayor and thus presumably in Hartwell's mind is not "independent".

- Shanksville Victims:

Not all of the victims of the Pennsylvania crash were identified by the DoD, "[Somerset County coroner Wallace E.] Miller and his team identified 16 of the 44 passengers and crew aboard Flight 93 through fingerprint and dental records." [21] Hartwell didn't mention Miller, I doubt this was an oversight. Presumably it would be harder to dismiss the funeral homer owner who only made less than $36k a year for his part time work for rural Somerset County [22] as not being "independent".

=== Flight 1989 "Transcript" ===

Towards the middle of his "book" the author cited and obscure source:

"In an article on the site "Bravehost," a writer details transcripts purportedly from Flight 1989 and Flight 93 and notes the similarity in a message from "hijackers" on each plane about a bomb on board. The controllers contacted and received a response from the 1989 pilot, who agreed to land in Cleveland, but got no response from 93" [pgs. 64 - 5]

The source for the `transcript' was a USAToday article which he previously cited as a source that pinpointed 10:10 as the landing time for the Delta flight. Certainly citing an article with named authors in a well known newspaper would have given his claim more credibility than an anonymously written article from an obscure website, why then did he use the latter rather than the former? It turns out that "Bravehost" misunderstood the article, there was only one message but the air traffic controllers thought mistakenly at first it came from 1989 (emphasis mine):

+++QUOTE ON+++
Now about 9:30 a.m., controllers hear words that seem to confirm their worst fears. They hear shouting as Flight 1989 approaches the Ohio border. Then they hear a voice: "Get out of there!" Then what sounds like a scuffle.

Minutes later, a new voice, this one with a heavy accent: "Ladies and gentlemen, here it's the captain. Please sit down. Keep remaining sitting. We have a bomb aboard."

No one who hears those words believes they are coming from Werner. Not with such a heavy accent. No way. Rather, the transmission seems to be from a hijacker who unwittingly spoke over the radio when he meant to address passengers.

Officials at Cleveland Center rush word to Washington: Hijackers have another flight.
At the Federal Aviation Administration's command center in Herndon, Va., Delta Flight 1989 joins a growing list of suspicious jets.

[...]

MISTAKE REALIZED

Silence.

Controllers at Cleveland Center can't raise United Flight 93, a Boeing 757 flying over Ohio.

Perhaps the strange radio transmissions -- the reference to a bomb and the heavy accent of a "captain" -- hadn't come from the Delta flight. Maybe Capt. Werner's Flight 1989 is fine after all.

At least, that's the way it seems to the controllers. The United flight had been just 25 miles ahead of the Delta flight when the radio transmissions came through -- close enough to account for the confusion.

Then, at 9:35 a.m., the United jet had climbed unexpectedly and turned back, over Ohio, toward the Delta flight. Then ...

Silence. The United flight stopped talking.

It must be United that's hijacked.

When controllers ordered Werner to change course to avoid Flight 93, he had complied quickly.
Yes, Delta Flight 1989 must be fine. [23]
+++QUOTE OFF+++

Hartwell did not cite the original because it not fit with cockamamie theory i.e. he intentionally mislead his readers. I could go on and on but I have wasted enough time on this poorly researched, offensive garbage, take a look at the Index which only includes 10 items, this is indicative of the lack of Hartwell's care. The text is not even original being largely derivative of "Woody Box" who at least isn't trying to make a buck. One can read much of the book on Amazon Reader if after read this review, the available pages and Box's 'research' you still want to buy this crap you'll be proving the adage about fools and their money.

NOTE: Amazon doesn't allow posting links I will post versions of this review to my blog, Lies of the Truth Movement, JREF and to the Education Forum's "History and Political Books" section with links to my sources.


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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 3/7/2013 4:59:32 AM   
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Which one was that? The Mighty Slaakman KNOWS there were aircraft that struck the Twin towers but they were military vehicles laden with explosive warheads, not civilian passenger liners:


I thought they were energy beam weapons? At least that's what "Dr. Wood" says. Here's a nice review of that rubbish book of hers:

Dr. Woods seems to ignore considerable evidence of explosions in favor so some whacko theory about space based weapons, HAARP etc. All you need to know about Dr. Judy Woods can be found in a very brief but revealing interview. Go to google video and search for "Dr. Greg Jenkins Interviews Dr. Judy Wood"

I think I'll amuse myself and see how this BS professional (her initials, not mine) comports herself. I'll bet I see lots of tics and other signs of paranoid schizophrenia.

On second thought, I won't. What passes as logic in these nut cases makes me weep for the profession of scientists.

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 3/7/2013 6:02:30 AM   
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Good grief, next they'll be denying evolution.

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 3/7/2013 6:48:19 AM   
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I thought they were energy beam weapons? At least that's what "Dr. Wood" says. Here's a nice review of that rubbish book of hers:

Dr. Woods seems to ignore considerable evidence of explosions in favor so some whacko theory about space based weapons, HAARP etc. All you need to know about Dr. Judy Woods can be found in a very brief but revealing interview. Go to google video and search for "Dr. Greg Jenkins Interviews Dr. Judy Wood"

I think I'll amuse myself and see how this BS professional (her initials, not mine) comports herself. I'll bet I see lots of tics and other signs of paranoid schizophrenia.

On second thought, I won't. What passes as logic in these nut cases makes me weep for the profession of scientists.

Nice dodge there Chickiebaby. No comment on the traces of thermite found in the debris that burned for more than 8 weeks at more than 1300 deg? Silly Newblette. Now what about this:
Danny Jowenko Demolition Expert on WTC7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAFnevcB5-Q

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 3/7/2013 6:54:15 AM   
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Hi SLAAK. I checked out the review of this book on Amazon.com and saw this:

Should be red by mankind in general and bought together with "Where Did The Towers Go?" by Dr. Judy Wood.

OK. I'll oblige. Note text color.

And this:

More distortions, speculations, halftruths & baldfaced lies to throw us off the trail. Would you buy a used car from this disinformant;

911 Clues EVERYONE MISSED
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwq04_KhCeI

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 3/7/2013 2:01:03 PM   
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Hi SLAAK. I checked out the review of this book on Amazon.com and saw this:

Should be red by mankind in general and bought together with "Where Did The Towers Go?" by Dr. Judy Wood.

OK. I'll oblige. Note text color.

And this:

More distortions, speculations, halftruths & baldfaced lies to throw us off the trail. Would you buy a used car from this disinformant;

911 Clues EVERYONE MISSED
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwq04_KhCeI


I love it when the 'truthers' decry someone in their own community for contriving an original thesis about the events of 9/11 that flies in the face of "conventional" truther wisdom. There were several such reviews of Wood's book. Because EVERYONE knows it was thermite on board these planes, the mere suggestion of directed energy weapons is lunacy and disinformation.

Unless you, SLAAK, were referring to the lot of these pamplets / books and truthers in general (apparently the "no passengers" book you described was only 35-40 pages of normal sized print, but the 'author' decided to make a HUGE FONT SIZE to fool expectant readers) when you said distortions, speculations, half-truths and baldfaced lies, you'll never get my agreement.

I'm also dubious that you're actually reading all of these books that you have posting on this thread. Which makes your posting their covers (with their amateurish artwork) disingenuous on the 'what books are you reading now' thread. It appears as though you are merely sharpening your political axe to grind by posting your 'truther' fiction's ilk repeatedly.

So, I'll start my own 'reading' now. I'll find the title pages to all manner of essays establishing a link between paranoid schizophrenia and other mental diseases to truthers and the ilk. Won't be a very nice exchange between us, I'm afraid, but it's what I'm reading. At least the title.

Ta ta.

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 3/7/2013 2:09:50 PM   
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I'm reading this article now. About paranoia and politics. Interesting. I notice so very many of these historical arguments over the years...

http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/conspiracy_theory/the_paranoid_mentality/the_paranoid_style.html

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Hey SLAAK...BOO!







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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 3/7/2013 2:48:20 PM   
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Hey...this book won the Pulitzer Prize for Nonfiction work. Looks pretty good.






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quote:

Hi SLAAK. I checked out the review of this book on Amazon.com and saw this:

Should be red by mankind in general and bought together with "Where Did The Towers Go?" by Dr. Judy Wood.

OK. I'll oblige. Note text color.

And this:

More distortions, speculations, halftruths & baldfaced lies to throw us off the trail. Would you buy a used car from this disinformant;

911 Clues EVERYONE MISSED
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwq04_KhCeI


Hey SLAAK, I have just discovered the real cause of the collapse of The World Trade Center buildings. George W. Bush collected several months worth of FARTS in some glass jars. Those jars were placed in the buildings, at key weak points, and then exploded.

FARTS, I tell you.

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 3/7/2013 7:08:39 PM   
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hmmmmm Im afraid you silly Newblettes have me over a barrel. I havent even begun to release the heavy artillery yet & if I do I might cause a thermonuclear meltdown so I will agree to disagree for the moment in this venue since I have the proof that the entire operation is an inside job in my possession.

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 3/7/2013 7:19:23 PM   
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hmmmmm Im afraid you silly Newblettes have me over a barrel. I havent even begun to release the heavy artillery yet & if I do I might cause a thermonuclear meltdown so I will agree to disagree for the moment in this venue since I have the proof that the entire operation is an inside job in my possession.
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Really? Who by? It wasn't them Red Indians was it? There's Injuns on them planes!

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hmmmmm Im afraid you silly Newblettes have me over a barrel. I havent even begun to release the heavy artillery yet & if I do I might cause a thermonuclear meltdown so I will agree to disagree for the moment in this venue since I have the proof that the entire operation is an inside job in my possession.
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Really? Who by? It wasn't them Red Indians was it? There's Injuns on them planes!


OMG, you are on to something. Let me add that those Red Devils threw jars of George Bush farts to bring the towers down.

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hmmmmm Im afraid you silly Newblettes have me over a barrel. I havent even begun to release the heavy artillery yet & if I do I might cause a thermonuclear meltdown so I will agree to disagree for the moment in this venue since I have the proof that the entire operation is an inside job in my possession.
warspite1

Really? Who by? It wasn't them Red Indians was it? There's Injuns on them planes!


OMG, you are on to something. Let me add that those Red Devils threw jars of George Bush farts to bring the towers down.
warspite1

Were the farts impregnated with thermite?


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hmmmmm Im afraid you silly Newblettes have me over a barrel. I havent even begun to release the heavy artillery yet & if I do I might cause a thermonuclear meltdown so I will agree to disagree for the moment in this venue since I have the proof that the entire operation is an inside job in my possession.
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Really? Who by? It wasn't them Red Indians was it? There's Injuns on them planes!


OMG, you are on to something. Let me add that those Red Devils threw jars of George Bush farts to bring the towers down.
warspite1

Were the farts impregnated with thermite?



How would one actually go about impregnating a fart with thermite?


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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 3/7/2013 8:57:49 PM   
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hmmmmm Im afraid you silly Newblettes have me over a barrel. I havent even begun to release the heavy artillery yet & if I do I might cause a thermonuclear meltdown so I will agree to disagree for the moment in this venue since I have the proof that the entire operation is an inside job in my possession.
warspite1

Really? Who by? It wasn't them Red Indians was it? There's Injuns on them planes!


OMG, you are on to something. Let me add that those Red Devils threw jars of George Bush farts to bring the towers down.
warspite1

Were the farts impregnated with thermite?



How would one actually go about impregnating a fart with thermite?

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Spread thermite on pickled onions before eating and hey presto!

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hmmmmm Im afraid you silly Newblettes have me over a barrel. I havent even begun to release the heavy artillery yet & if I do I might cause a thermonuclear meltdown so I will agree to disagree for the moment in this venue since I have the proof that the entire operation is an inside job in my possession.
warspite1

Really? Who by? It wasn't them Red Indians was it? There's Injuns on them planes!


OMG, you are on to something. Let me add that those Red Devils threw jars of George Bush farts to bring the towers down.
warspite1

Were the farts impregnated with thermite?



How would one actually go about impregnating a fart with thermite?

warspite1

Spread thermite on pickled onions before eating and hey presto!


That's diabolical!

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