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BB's Survive Trip to West Coast? - 3/9/2012 6:00:38 PM   
cfulbright

 

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Status: offline 		Playing grand campaign, I have BB California with 77 Major Flt and 18 Major Eng damage. I cleaned up all minor damage. Her speed is 4/2. What are odds she'd make it to West Coast for repair? Right now it says it's going to take 444 days in Shipyard at Critical, or 448 at Normal to get her repaired.
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RE: BB's Survive Trip to West Coast? - 3/9/2012 6:03:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Odds are your ship will swim with the fishees if you try to move it that far with 3/4 major FLT damage. Sit the ship in Pearl till the maj FLT damage is either repaired or largely repaired

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RE: BB's Survive Trip to West Coast? - 3/9/2012 6:13:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		I tried it at 50 and lost two BBs within 2 hexes of PH.  I wouldn't do it

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RE: BB's Survive Trip to West Coast? - 3/9/2012 6:48:52 PM   
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I tried it at 50 and lost two BBs within 2 hexes of PH.  I wouldn't do it

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RE: BB's Survive Trip to West Coast? - 3/9/2012 6:59:09 PM   
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RE: BB's Survive Trip to West Coast? - 3/9/2012 7:17:27 PM   
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They were scuttled!


It happened about as efficiently.

Sometimes you have to learn the hard way. I believe they were in the 40s when I tried it. I wanted to free up the drydock space and not leave them there for two years.

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RE: BB's Survive Trip to West Coast? - 3/9/2012 7:23:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		What was thier Sys damage? I leave my damaged BBs in PH to work off thier Sys damage and non major float/engine damage Pierside. When they have little or no sys damage and less than 50 float they should make the trip. The sys damage is key as it represents the ships ability to operate, which includes damage control.

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RE: BB's Survive Trip to West Coast? - 3/9/2012 7:24:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would say about a 50/50 chance. I got the Pennsylvania to the West Coast with 80 flotation in one campaign and in the other campaign every time I got her a few hexes from Pearl she started to flounder and I had to send her back. Don't do it unless you have too. Make sure you have the best captain possible assigned.

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RE: BB's Survive Trip to West Coast? - 3/9/2012 7:43:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK. So let's say I get the BB down to 50 float, no other damage, send her well escorted (with a AR accompanying her) , at cruising speed. How would my chances be then?

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RE: BB's Survive Trip to West Coast? - 3/9/2012 8:11:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		If your sys damage is less than 10, you are in good shape. Here is the Pennsylvannia with 48 float (40 Major) and 18 Engine (17 Major) in transit back to the West Coast. Two things: non Sys damage and she has not hit bad weather.

After 6 days, the crew repaired 5 float and 1 engine damage while enroute.




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RE: BB's Survive Trip to West Coast? - 3/9/2012 9:31:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am about to test this theory that sys damage is key .. 0 sys but 76 major flooding ... it will take more than a month to get to Los Angeles ..but the West Virginia is occupying needed space on the docks .. The flooding damage has not improved here at Pearl Harbor since the 7th of December!




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RE: BB's Survive Trip to West Coast? - 3/9/2012 9:42:31 PM   
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I am about to test this theory that sys damage is key .. 0 sys but 76 major flooding ... it will take more than a month to get to Los Angeles ..but the West Virginia is occupying needed space on the docks .. The flooding damage has not improved here at Pearl Harbor since the 7th of December!






Yeah sometimes you have to do it as you just need Pearl's drydock for better things. You might make it but your biggest problem is the pitiful crew quality that the West Virginia has. For this reason, I am betting that you won't make it. Keep us posted. I had to move the KGV to Cape Town before KB located her. She had that kind of damage but had a very good crew. It was touch and go but they actually fixed some damage on the way.

I am pretty sure that crew quality is a factor as well.

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RE: BB's Survive Trip to West Coast? - 3/9/2012 9:51:38 PM   
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OK. So let's say I get the BB down to 50 float, no other damage, send her well escorted (with a AR accompanying her) , at cruising speed. How would my chances be then?


Chances should be ok, but the AR won't contribute anything unless it's in a port.

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RE: BB's Survive Trip to West Coast? - 3/9/2012 10:22:55 PM   
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I am about to test this theory that sys damage is key .. 0 sys but 76 major flooding ... it will take more than a month to get to Los Angeles ..but the West Virginia is occupying needed space on the docks .. The flooding damage has not improved here at Pearl Harbor since the 7th of December!






Yeah sometimes you have to do it as you just need Pearl's drydock for better things. You might make it but your biggest problem is the pitiful crew quality that the West Virginia has. For this reason, I am betting that you won't make it. Keep us posted. I had to move the KGV to Cape Town before KB located her. She had that kind of damage but had a very good crew. It was touch and go but they actually fixed some damage on the way.

I am pretty sure that crew quality is a factor as well.


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RE: BB's Survive Trip to West Coast? - 3/10/2012 1:10:25 AM   
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I am about to test this theory that sys damage is key .. 0 sys but 76 major flooding ... it will take more than a month to get to Los Angeles ..but the West Virginia is occupying needed space on the docks .. The flooding damage has not improved here at Pearl Harbor since the 7th of December!






Yeah sometimes you have to do it as you just need Pearl's drydock for better things. You might make it but your biggest problem is the pitiful crew quality that the West Virginia has. For this reason, I am betting that you won't make it. Keep us posted. I had to move the KGV to Cape Town before KB located her. She had that kind of damage but had a very good crew. It was touch and go but they actually fixed some damage on the way.

I am pretty sure that crew quality is a factor as well.


I sent West Virginia and California from Pearl Harbor to the west coast with about the same flotation and engine damage and about 25 system damage. I had no problems with either. They picked up a few addition points of flotation damage early in the trip, but quickly repaired it.

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RE: BB's Survive Trip to West Coast? - 3/10/2012 3:20:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is why I always wished "towing" had been put in the original game. Nothing like having a fleet tug or a salvage ship to help you make that journey home.

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RE: BB's Survive Trip to West Coast? - 3/10/2012 3:31:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		I wonder what the Oklahoma would have rated in damage points when they tried to tow her back after the war?

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RE: BB's Survive Trip to West Coast? - 3/10/2012 10:15:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		I sent California with all her repairable system damage repaired (though some peristed IIRC). She made it to the Kona Coast and then she sunk.

I will laugh my ass off if somebody tries it and their 180 pt ship sinks.

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RE: BB's Survive Trip to West Coast? - 3/11/2012 9:27:03 PM   
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This is why I always wished "towing" had been put in the original game. Nothing like having a fleet tug or a salvage ship to help you make that journey home.



Actually it is in the game. I was moving an ARD and got a "tug tow line parted message". Got a little damage for that. The ability to move any ship at least one hex even if out of fuel is supposed to reflect the ability to tow.



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RE: BB's Survive Trip to West Coast? - 3/12/2012 12:20:39 AM   
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RE: BB's Survive Trip to West Coast? - 3/13/2012 5:41:53 PM   
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I sent California with all her repairable system damage repaired (though some peristed IIRC). She made it to the Kona Coast and then she sunk.

I will laugh my ass off if somebody tries it and their 180 pt ship sinks.


Day #3 ..I am past Kona at least and still no additional flooding damage!

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RE: BB's Survive Trip to West Coast? - 3/13/2012 6:18:15 PM   
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I sent California with all her repairable system damage repaired (though some peristed IIRC). She made it to the Kona Coast and then she sunk.

I will laugh my ass off if somebody tries it and their 180 pt ship sinks.


I had one of my PH US BBs to sink *1* hex from Seattle... Ok, it was a gamble, but I did learn lot from that...especially abut not to use mission speed...


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RE: BB's Survive Trip to West Coast? - 3/13/2012 8:37:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mundy

I wonder what the Oklahoma would have rated in damage points when they tried to tow her back after the war?

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technically her FLT would be 0(0) as she was pumped dry and her holes patched. However combined with the stripping of her systems her "SYS" would probably be 75+ and engine damage 100.

She would have made it to the West coast were it not for the fact that they ran into a storm which caused the tow cable to part. With no crew aboard to counter the effects of the storm the leakings and floodings caused by wave action would threaten any ship.


game wise.......it pays to repair all FLT damage (especially major FLT) before sending a ship on a long journey. After all thats why the most badly damaged PH victims didn't sail for the Coast till well after the attack. You could get away with it alot more in Stock WitP. AE was designed to make that trick alot riskier.


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RE: BB's Survive Trip to West Coast? - 3/15/2012 10:02:09 AM   
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Get the system damage down to zero, and get the flotation damage down to a manageable level. Once that's done, form an Escort TF with a few DDs or APDs, etc., and set them to <Cruise> all the way to the WC. Excepting any interference from Japanese subs, they should get stateside OK.

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RE: BB's Survive Trip to West Coast? - 3/15/2012 2:51:49 PM   
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RE: BB's Survive Trip to West Coast? - 3/15/2012 4:39:24 PM   
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Two words for damaged ships in Escort TFs: Cruise Mode.

Get the system damage down to zero, and get the flotation damage down to a manageable level. Once that's done, form an Escort TF with a few DDs or APDs, etc., and set them to <Cruise> all the way to the WC. Excepting any interference from Japanese subs, they should get stateside OK.


I did not know that type of TF or presence of any other number or type of ship made a difference to a ship's chance of surviving the trip.


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RE: BB's Survive Trip to West Coast? - 3/15/2012 5:13:29 PM   
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From the standpoint of additional damage at sea, I don't think there is any real benefit to putting damaged ships into Escort TFs. Some other TF types are (much) more likely to engage in combat and would therefore increase chances of damage of all types.

The primary benefit is Cruise Speed. In AE there are three speeds:

Cruise - always steam at cruise speed. Stay at cruise unless directly invovled in surface combat, in which case the TF will increase to Mission speed (but not immediately).

Full speed - run a full speed (until something breaks).

Mission speed - cruise speed unless it is "necessary" to move to full speed. This infers that the ship is always prepared to increase speed (boilers on line, etc) and therefore does increase the chance of systems damage at sea. TFs at mission speed perform better in most combat situations, especially early, and have a better chance of avoiding combat if that is desired.

There were some changes to speed options (especially during combat) that were made late in the play testing phase. These were entirely reasonable (like speeding up when someone is shooting at you) but did somewhat blur the lines between the speed settings.

My recommendation: Use Mission speed unless there is a specific reason not to. Use Cruise when fuel is low or ships are significantly damaged. Use Full only when the ships need to Get Out of Dodge or maybe get to Dodge.

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RE: BB's Survive Trip to West Coast? - 3/16/2012 9:51:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		So does anyone ship the BB's over to the east coast? I have experimented with it a couple of times. The ships do seem to upgrade and repair faster because of the massive shipyard size but they take forever to get there. Once you get the ships to Balboa you don't need ASW escorts but when it comes back you have to spend the time to some escorts back to Balboa.

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RE: BB's Survive Trip to West Coast? - 3/19/2012 4:51:26 PM   
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So does anyone ship the BB's over to the east coast? I have experimented with it a couple of times. The ships do seem to upgrade and repair faster because of the massive shipyard size but they take forever to get there. Once you get the ships to Balboa you don't need ASW escorts but when it comes back you have to spend the time to some escorts back to Balboa.

This is the reason I learned to stach a couple of DDs in Panama.

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RE: BB's Survive Trip to West Coast? - 3/19/2012 5:32:50 PM   
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I am about to test this theory that sys damage is key .. 0 sys but 76 major flooding ... it will take more than a month to get to Los Angeles ..but the West Virginia is occupying needed space on the docks .. The flooding damage has not improved here at Pearl Harbor since the 7th of December!






Yeah sometimes you have to do it as you just need Pearl's drydock for better things. You might make it but your biggest problem is the pitiful crew quality that the West Virginia has. For this reason, I am betting that you won't make it. Keep us posted. I had to move the KGV to Cape Town before KB located her. She had that kind of damage but had a very good crew. It was touch and go but they actually fixed some damage on the way.

I am pretty sure that crew quality is a factor as well.


I sent West Virginia and California from Pearl Harbor to the west coast with about the same flotation and engine damage and about 25 system damage. I had no problems with either. They picked up a few addition points of flotation damage early in the trip, but quickly repaired it.



Well the day she leaves PH it is supposed to be "severe clear" instead it is severe storms and the West Virginia picks up 15 minor floatation damage to Flt 91! It down to flt 83 now, but still a long long ways from the west coast at 1 hex per day. She is reparing as stated above, but another severe storm soon could flonder her beneath the waves ... I believe this is what the touch and go as mentioned above ......


With the West Virginia gone the California is repairing much faster. Even with the West Virgina set on low priority! Three floatation fixed in two weeks. She will be ready to go to the West Coast in a couple of months. So I am pretty happy with this decision thus far

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