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Road to Moscow 2.0 - 3/8/2012 9:09:28 AM   
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Here is the latest iteration of Road to Moscow I. Crossing the Border. It uses an Attrition Divider of 14, and Maximum Combats per Battle of 3, thanks to the recommendations of Oberst Klink.

I have found I can consistently achieve a German victory, but it requires careful management of panzer divisions the last three turns to get past Minsk and capture the critical Berizina River crossings...

Naturally, feed back is much appreciated. Further scenarios are forthcoming.

rak

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RE: Road to Moscow 2.0 - 3/8/2012 9:12:16 AM   
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Greetings
Here is the latest iteration of Road to Moscow I. Crossing the Border. It uses an Attrition Divider of 14, and Maximum Combats per Battle of 3, thanks to the recommendations of Oberst Klink.

I have found I can consistently achieve a German victory, but it requires careful management of panzer divisions the last three turns to get past Minsk and capture the critical Berizina River crossings...

Naturally, feed back is much appreciated. Further scenarios are forthcoming.

rak

Much appreciated Rob! I try to schedule an hour per day because atm I am in the process of re-vamping Kharkov '43 - A gallop no more, from scratch!

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RE: Road to Moscow 2.0 - 5/18/2012 11:31:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here is the latest version of Road to Moscow Series I. Crossing the Border, incorporating the Attrition Divider of 14, and Maximum Combats per Battle of 3 as suggested by Oberst Klink.
Several other minor changes to objectives, OOB, and movement bias.

Similar adjustments to Scenarios II. to VIII. are forthcoming...

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RE: Road to Moscow 2.0 - 5/18/2012 5:55:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HPT KUNZ

Here is the latest version of Road to Moscow Series I. Crossing the Border, incorporating the Attrition Divider of 14, and Maximum Combats per Battle of 3 as suggested by Oberst Klink.
Several other minor changes to objectives, OOB, and movement bias.

Similar adjustments to Scenarios II. to VIII. are forthcoming...

rak

It's on the test bench doc!

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RE: Road to Moscow 2.0 - 5/20/2012 11:19:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is the next in the Road to Moscow Series- II. Smolensk.

In addition to the suggestion by Oberst Klink to use an Attrition Divider of 14 and Maximum Rounds per Battle of 3; using similar logic for the Attrition Divider and MRPB modification to account for one day scale, the replacement rate has been reduced. This version also includes a number of Soviet OOB changes based of COL Glantz’s recent book Barbarossa Derailed.

Note that all of the play testing for the Series has been Germans vs Elmer, although it should be playable as human vs human or Soviet vs Elmer.

cheers
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RE: Road to Moscow 2.0 - 5/21/2012 12:05:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here is the third in the series, III. Guderian Moves South. Again incorporating AD of 14, MRPB 3, and well as some changes noted in Glantz's Barbarossa Derailed.

As always comments and suggestion are welcomed.

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RE: Road to Moscow 2.0 - 5/23/2012 10:38:53 AM   
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Kiev is a tough nut. And Guderian's left flank is vulnerable...

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RE: Road to Moscow 2.0 - 6/14/2012 2:32:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here is V. Bryansk and Vyasma. 1 Oct 41 Army Group Center now resumes the advance on the Road to Moscow. Initial objective: surround and destroy the second echelon Red Army. But the oncoming Russian mud, rasputitsa, could be expected in the next few weeks...


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RE: Road to Moscow 2.0 - 5/3/2013 3:46:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks Kunz for the updates..

I´m playing again the serie. They´re funny but germans have serious troubles to win...With four scenarios played (mirror games)soviets have won all...Now I´m going to try Bryansk and Vyasma..let´s see

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RE: Road to Moscow 2.0 - 5/6/2013 3:33:36 AM   
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thanks for the feedback. Good luck! Keep me posted.

cheers
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RE: Road to Moscow 2.0 - 5/6/2013 2:57:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		fulcrum90, are these games against the po, PBEM or hotseat?
Although the scenarios are playable in all modes, I did the design with German-player vs Soviet-po in mind.
It is a challenge for a designer to develop a game that gives historical result. Should that be called a Draw? I did most of the playtesting using po vs po to give the historic objectives, and adjusted the objectives to call that a Draw, and worked from there.

Let me know what your experiences has been. It has been some time since I have played the first seven scenarios vs Soviet-po; I will take a look at these again. I am almost finished with playing RtM VIII "What if?" vs Soviet-po, and the Germans have taken nearly all of Moscow.

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RE: Road to Moscow 2.0 - 5/11/2013 8:41:01 AM   
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I´m playing your scenarios PBEM with a rough opponent. My impression is that soviets are too strong so that is very complicated for german player recreate historical results...in Crossing the border germans didn´t take Minsk, in Smolensk are halted outside the city, in Guderian Moves South were stuck crossing Input river, in Kiev got the breakthrough in the last turns and hadn´t time to surround the city...I agree with you that a historical result is a draw but with eight games playes we have three draws and five soviets victories (most of them OV)...Perhaps the problem is that your scenarios are complicated to play with the last patch because I see that is very difficult break the soviets lines...they resist till the end...german fatigue assaulting is higher than soviets´defending..I´m playing with your scenarios updated
Now, we´re playing Bryansk and Vyasma and looks that soviets are broken..but let´s see
BTW, thanks four your scenarios..I think that is a good serie..I like your maps and OOB. Good job

Saludos

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RE: Road to Moscow 2.0 - 5/16/2013 2:31:13 AM   
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I appreciate you feedback.

Indeed it is not easy to design a scenario that is balanced for play vs PO as well as PBEM. I have designed the series as a German player vs Soviet PO in mind. The Germans have a reasonable chance of a attaining the historic objectives. So I am not surprised a good Soviet player is making it difficult for you! Based on your feedback I will revisit the scenarios and reduce the Soviet proficiency and supply. I feel the OOB and TOE, and equipment strength is reasonably accurate.

Incidentally, over at the Matrix Gary Grigsby's War in the East Forum there is considerable discussion that the campaign may be unwinnable for the Germans against a PBEM Soviet who simply retreats and conserves forces, rather than make the usually senseless attacks early in Barbarossa...How does a designer handle that?

I would be very interested in your results with RtM VIII: What if?. See the thread I posted not long ago, that has a screen shot and the latest version. It is a scenario that tests what would happen if Hitler had listened to his generals and driven straight for Moscow after taking Smolensk. Could the Germans do it with the forces they had in August, before the Russian mud?

I assume you are using the 4.0 versions of Scenarios I-IV I have posted earlier in this thread.

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