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ORIGINAL: SuluSea

There's plenty of things ahistorical about the game that affect both sides. That said, this is the best game ever.

One that doesn't get air time  is the ability for the Japanese side to tie down a division or more like on Peleliu for months.

The super "E" has it's advantages but from playing this game subs are able to stay on station and the turn around for is minimal before it's back out to sea and hunting. In a pefect world crews suffer from moral for being at sea too long. The end effect of that would be the vessel is more susceptible to damage or sinking.

How well does the E class do against subs in deep blue water?
Thanks all!

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ORIGINAL: SuluSea

There's plenty of things ahistorical about the game that affect both sides. That said, this is the best game ever.

One that doesn't get air time  is the ability for the Japanese side to tie down a division or more like on Peleliu for months.

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ORIGINAL: jmalter

have you considered options you might pursue, that might be better than just passively watching your fleet-boats get tagged 1by1, while they continue to execute their current orders? i can think of several:

a) expand patrol-zones, give each subTF a 3rd faraway hex, hoping to reduce their DLs.
b) coalesce patrol-zones, flood some hexes w/ many subTFs, attempt to sink uber-Es that've expended their ammo.
c) change fleet-boat strategic role from 'commerce-destroyer' to 'scout-picket'.
d) concentrate sub use in areas under the edges of your air-umbrella.
e) use penetrating CL/DD raids to attack IJN convoys & attrit their escorts.
f) increase air-ops against ASW search-planes and their bases/tenders.

when the enemy ASW capability surges, you're not req'd to continue your previous subTF tactics. you can explore ways to use all your assets differently. if you're no longer having 'happy time' w/ tactics that worked well in the previous game-year, ain't it down to you to revise your deployments to counter or avoid the enemy's new-found strength? don't continue to use old methods in the face of high losses, try something else.

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

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ORIGINAL: SuluSea

There's plenty of things ahistorical about the game that affect both sides. That said, this is the best game ever.

One that doesn't get air time  is the ability for the Japanese side to tie down a division or more like on Peleliu for months.

"The Battle of Peleliu, codenamed Operation Stalemate II, was fought between the United States and the Empire of Japan in the Pacific Theater of World War II, from September–November 1944 on the island of Peleliu, present-day Palau. U.S. forces (originally consisting of only the 1st Marine Division, but later relieved by the Army's 81st Infantry Division), fought to capture an airstrip on the small coral island.

Major General William Rupertus—commander of 1st Marine Division—predicted the island would be secured within four days. However, due to Japan's well-crafted fortifications and stiff resistance,[1] the battle lasted over two months."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Peleliu

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

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ORIGINAL: SuluSea

There's plenty of things ahistorical about the game that affect both sides. That said, this is the best game ever.

One that doesn't get air time  is the ability for the Japanese side to tie down a division or more like on Peleliu for months.

"The Battle of Peleliu, codenamed Operation Stalemate II, was fought between the United States and the Empire of Japan in the Pacific Theater of World War II, from September–November 1944 on the island of Peleliu, present-day Palau. U.S. forces (originally consisting of only the 1st Marine Division, but later relieved by the Army's 81st Infantry Division), fought to capture an airstrip on the small coral island.

Major General William Rupertus—commander of 1st Marine Division—predicted the island would be secured within four days. However, due to Japan's well-crafted fortifications and stiff resistance,[1] the battle lasted over two months."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Peleliu

Bull:

I think what SuluSea was saying (and I agree) was that, IRL, the Japanese could hold down an Allied Division (or more) for months. In the game, island sieges never seem to last that long and are resolved much more rapidly than IRL.

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ORIGINAL: castor troy

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

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ORIGINAL: SuluSea

There's plenty of things ahistorical about the game that affect both sides. That said, this is the best game ever.

One that doesn't get air time  is the ability for the Japanese side to tie down a division or more like on Peleliu for months.

"The Battle of Peleliu, codenamed Operation Stalemate II, was fought between the United States and the Empire of Japan in the Pacific Theater of World War II, from September–November 1944 on the island of Peleliu, present-day Palau. U.S. forces (originally consisting of only the 1st Marine Division, but later relieved by the Army's 81st Infantry Division), fought to capture an airstrip on the small coral island.

Major General William Rupertus—commander of 1st Marine Division—predicted the island would be secured within four days. However, due to Japan's well-crafted fortifications and stiff resistance,[1] the battle lasted over two months."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Peleliu

Bull:

I think what SuluSea was saying (and I agree) was that, IRL, the Japanese could hold down an Allied Division (or more) for months. In the game, island sieges never seem to last that long and are resolved much more rapidly than IRL.

In my PBEM against Rainer79 I landed something like 1500 av on Babeldaob, got bogged down, had to wait three months for my reinforcements being prepared to land on an island I already had three divisions plus support on and then it still took me weeks to take the place. Oh, I do think the game can have island battles that last for ages, with the need to prepare your troops for nearly 100 days to land them in acceptable shape the game makes island battles longer than real life because in real life you can land as many troops as you wish without suffering casualties as soon as you have a big enough bridgehead.

In this case I wouldn't blame the game, I would blame the gamer. Send a single div plus some support to Peleliu, have a 100% prepped IJA div sitting there in forts 5 or 6 and see how long the battle lasts.

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ORIGINAL: castor troy
In my PBEM against Rainer79 I landed something like 1500 av on Babeldaob, got bogged down, had to wait three months for my reinforcements being prepared to land on an island I already had three divisions plus support on and then it still took me weeks to take the place. Oh, I do think the game can have island battles that last for ages, with the need to prepare your troops for nearly 100 days to land them in acceptable shape the game makes island battles longer than real life because in real life you can land as many troops as you wish without suffering casualties as soon as you have a big enough bridgehead.

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ORIGINAL: EUBanana

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ORIGINAL: castor troy
In my PBEM against Rainer79 I landed something like 1500 av on Babeldaob, got bogged down, had to wait three months for my reinforcements being prepared to land on an island I already had three divisions plus support on and then it still took me weeks to take the place. Oh, I do think the game can have island battles that last for ages, with the need to prepare your troops for nearly 100 days to land them in acceptable shape the game makes island battles longer than real life because in real life you can land as many troops as you wish without suffering casualties as soon as you have a big enough bridgehead.

OK, I don't feel so inept now.