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No AAA losses in combat? - 3/4/2012 6:36:29 PM   
Kender

 

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Status: offline 		AAA losses in version 3.4 seemed very low. So I ran a simulation running a full turn of only air attacks against all kind of different units in a 1980's scenario. No aircraft interdiction from the defender. Ran the same attacks in Force AAA-lethality level of 40 and 500.

There were ZERO aircraft losses for almost all units. Only aircraft losses occured when attacking pure anti-aircraft unit counters (dome-symbol) or stacks that included at least one AAA-unit counter.

This did not happen in previous patches of TOAW 3. Is this a bug? Or is it caused by changing the AAA-lethality level?
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RE: No AAA losses in combat? - 3/4/2012 6:50:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Kamerad Kender,

there is already a thread about this 'bug' in 3.4. Unfortunately non AA-type units, even with AA equipment, don't resolve AAA combat. Unit counters that are designed as AA units do *as you noted*. It should be *I hope* be solved with 3.5.

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RE: No AAA losses in combat? - 3/4/2012 7:12:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Danke Herr Oberst

Where is the other link? I did not see it.

Is there a workaround? Without AAA defense most post WW1-scenarios will become very "unrealistic".

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RE: No AAA losses in combat? - 3/4/2012 7:29:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kender

Danke Herr Oberst

Where is the other link? I did not see it.

Is there a workaround? Without AAA defense most post WW1-scenarios will become very "unrealistic".


http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3004187

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RE: No AAA losses in combat? - 3/4/2012 8:21:43 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kender

Danke Herr Oberst

Where is the other link? I did not see it.

Is there a workaround? Without AAA defense most post WW1-scenarios will become very "unrealistic".

Well, I like the Btl/Rgt unit size scenarios and I always create/use independent Flak or AA detachments. As I said, until 3.5 we have to live with it I am afraid.

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RE: No AAA losses in combat? Suggested fix. - 3/4/2012 8:40:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		"However, there's a workaround. Modify the unit icon graphics, replace the AA icon with the infantry icon."


This is the suggested workaround from the above thread..which should help: one could replace the AA icon with the infantry or tank icon. However I am unsure on how to do it in practice.

Could someone point me to the folder where the individual icons are? I was able to find just a global graphic file with all the units next to each other, so it does not look like it's the one I am looking for. Tx!



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RE: No AAA losses in combat? Suggested fix. - 3/5/2012 8:22:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		It is the right file. I just answered your PM, btw.

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RE: No AAA losses in combat? Suggested fix. - 3/5/2012 5:36:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Will give it a try and report if successful!

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RE: No AAA losses in combat? Suggested fix. - 3/8/2012 2:21:57 PM   
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While doing intensive playtesting, the AA fire seems to be effective during the movement/interdiction phase...

The moving Tank Bde got harassed by the fascist's LwKdo Don Gruppen and see the results of the AA gunners:

AIRCombat: Committed to furball: Axis LwKdo Don, III./KG 3.

Combat : Smite: Axis LwKdo Don, III./KG 3, (other), attrition%= 7.
Combat : Soviet Union weapons firing on Axis Ju-88 (late).
Combat : Potentially effective hit on Axis Ju-88 (late) by Soviet Union weapon.
Combat : Ju-88 (late) damaged, sent to replacement pool.
Combat : Soviet Union weapons firing on Axis Ju-88 (late).
Combat : Potentially effective hit on Axis Ju-88 (late) by Soviet Union weapon.
Combat : Ju-88 (late) damaged, sent to replacement pool.
Combat : Weighted direct combat losses: 19%
Combat : Check morale: Axis LwKdo Don, III./KG 3, ouch=171,ouch threshold=50.
Combat : Morale check passed (quality or deployment).
Combat : End smite...

and look at THAT:

Combat : Smite: Axis LwKdo Don, III./SG 2, (other), attrition%= 9.
Combat : Soviet Union weapons firing on Axis Ju-87 (late).
Combat : Potentially effective hit on Axis Ju-87 (late) by Soviet Union weapon.
Combat : Ju-87 (late) destroyed.
Combat : Soviet Union weapons firing on Axis Ju-87 (late).
Combat : Potentially effective hit on Axis Ju-87 (late) by Soviet Union weapon.
Combat : Ju-87 (late) damaged, sent to replacement pool.
Combat : Soviet Union weapons firing on Axis Ju-87 (late).
Combat : Potentially effective hit on Axis Ju-87 (late) by Soviet Union weapon.
Combat : Ju-87 (late) damaged, sent to replacement pool.
Combat : Soviet Union weapons firing on Axis Ju-87 (late).
Combat : Potentially effective hit on Axis Ju-87 (late) by Soviet Union weapon.
Combat : Ju-87 (late) destroyed.
Combat : Soviet Union weapons firing on Axis Ju-87 (late).
Combat : Potentially effective hit on Axis Ju-87 (late) by Soviet Union weapon.
Combat : Ju-87 (late) destroyed.
Combat : Soviet Union weapons firing on Axis Ju-87 (late).
Combat : Potentially effective hit on Axis Ju-87 (late) by Soviet Union weapon.
Combat : Ju-87 (late) damaged, sent to replacement pool.
Combat : Weighted direct combat losses: 33%
Combat : Check morale: Axis LwKdo Don, III./SG 2, ouch=300,ouch threshold=50.
Combat : Morale check failed (loss tolerance exceeded).
Combat : End smite...

perhaps direct attacks are the same... I need to check out what AAA settings I got, but this is certainly WAD.

BTW, the interdiction cost the Soviets 10 trucks, 3 (!!!) T-34

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RE: No AAA losses in combat? Suggested fix. - 11/10/2012 4:34:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Did you check this further?
Would really like to know whats up with this, as I think it's a major gamebreaker.

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