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HUE newbie questions - 3/2/2012 5:53:14 PM   
Major SNAFU


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I posted this at HarpGamer as well - but I am hoping a wider plea may receive more answers.

I am a returning Harpoon player, but this is my first time out with H3/ANW/HUE.

I am working of the 2nd scenario in the classics GUIK set.

I am encountering the following puzzling behaviour:

1) I attempt to ready one of the Lynx choppers with ASuW missiles. It reports that it will take 6 hours (is this really how long it takes to swap out a weapons loadout - I don't know I am just asking). Anyway, I tells me it will take 6 hours. BUt it still lists both Lynx choppers with 2 torpedoes loaded. At some point after some hours, if I check on the Lynx again, it still shows them both as having 2 torpedoes loaded. There is no indication in the game that tells me which chopper is being reloaded (I noticed the same sort of hevaviour with other mounts in the game and with torpedo tubes). BUT the problem is that at the end of the reload period, both Lynx still show 2 torpedoes. And there is often an erratic ready time that vassilates between 5-8 and 20 some minutes.

What counter-manded my order to load the ASuW missiles on the lynx? How do I prevent that? Can't I have one Lynx with torpedos as a back up sub-hunter and have the other as a ship hunter? I do have the frigate tasked with ASW duty with a task for the Lynx. Is this what is doing it to me? Is it re-tasking both Lynx for the ASW task in the formation editor? Is there not a way to tell the sim that I want to reserve one chopper for other duties? What kind of feedback in the interface is there?

2) Sometimes one of the choppers which I have taken direct control of to go do some over-the horizon sniffing, suddenly clears its flight orders and heads for home. It is not BINGO fuel, it has weapons and sonobouys on board so it is not an "auto-return for fuel or rearm", so why does it take off like that?

3) WIth regards to #2, I have also had ships suddenly all clear the manuallu set way points and all head off in some other direction. What is causing that? I have turned the Staff handles navigation off, but this still happens.

4) Sometimes a ship will just sit and do nothing. I have watched one try to follow the course I set and then flicker between 0 kts and flank kts (the display is flickering as the number change so fast) but it goes no where and it is a devil to get it out of this behaviour.

5) Why do have have to keep re-selected a helo when I want to drop a sonobuoy? I drop one, the helo remains the selected unit and some time later I want to drop another one and it won't do it unless I re-click on the helo to "emphasize" the fact that it is selected. THen the buoys drop fine.

6) If I have data links on, and I have a surface ship locked up on my helo's radar and I select the FFG that launched the helo and target the ship that is on the helo's RADAR, why don't the Harpoon missles track to the ship correctly? Why do they fly off in extremely wrong directions and hit allied ships that are on the port and starboard rear quarters when the targeted ship is off the port bow? The ships that are hit should not even come into the target acquisition cone of the harpoons being fired, correct?

Thanks in advance for the assist.

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RE: HUE newbie questions - 3/2/2012 9:12:21 PM   
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Glad to see that you have arrived at the same conclusion as the rest of the community at large and are using the PlayersDB. It really does solve many of the problems found within the databases and scenarios distributed with HUE

Many of the questions you pose are quite specific and can probably be best answered by the scenario designer himself. You can reach him at:

GameSquad
HpHQ
HfD

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RE: HUE newbie questions - 3/5/2012 3:37:09 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Vincenzo Beretta

Glad to see that you have arrived at the same conclusion as the rest of the community at large


Um, not hardly, that is like every employment recruiter saying they work for the #1 recruiter! Nice try though, too bad nobody has any energy left to oppose you guys and enlighten the masses.



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RE: HUE newbie questions - 3/5/2012 9:26:01 AM   
Vincenzo Beretta


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quote:

ORIGINAL: TonyE
too bad nobody has any energy left to oppose you guys and enlighten the masses.


That only a few of us do seem to have the energy (or will) to help the community seems obvious to me, too. And I agree: it's too bad.

< Message edited by Vincenzo Beretta -- 3/5/2012 9:33:39 AM >

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RE: HUE newbie questions - 3/5/2012 9:30:01 AM   
Vincenzo Beretta


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Double post

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RE: HUE newbie questions - 3/5/2012 9:31:44 AM   
Vincenzo Beretta


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And triple. Never post (or "enlight" the community) before the morning coffee

< Message edited by Vincenzo Beretta -- 3/5/2012 9:34:40 AM >

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RE: HUE newbie questions - 3/5/2012 12:07:42 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Vincenzo Beretta
That only a few of us do seem to have the energy (or will) to help the community seems obvious to me, too. And I agree: it's too bad.


Its too bad that in your zeal to help others, as admirable as that is, you've become just like the outfit you rallied against in the beginning. Now I have to wonder which is more important to you: helping others, or self-promotion.

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RE: HUE newbie questions - 3/5/2012 5:51:39 PM   
Vincenzo Beretta


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quote:

ORIGINAL: CV32
Its too bad that in your zeal to help others, as admirable as that is, you've become just like the outfit you rallied against in the beginning.


Hmmm... Let's do a reality check.

- There are some people in the community who open publish rants and insults about me on their official site. I don't.

- The very same people are developing a concurrent project and, interestingly enough, insult and lie about those who support Harpoon. I don't.

- I opened a site with the aim to help anyone who wants to have a better experience with Harpoon, no matter the version, no matter the needs - and paying it out of my pocket without whining for "contributions", I might add. They didn't.

- I opened and support from behind the scenes a Youtube channel devoted to Harpoon and to anyone who wants to enjoy the game and have a better experience with it. They didn't.

- I helped the community when some players were contacted by professionals interested in Harpoon. I got borderline insults from the very developer for that (something that, I assure you, left a lot of people amazed).

- I get borderline insults every other week for being among the crazies who still support the Harpoon community with time and money, while "others" are "developing a new and competing game, kudos to them!"

- ...And, every now and then, I get posts like yours after having contributed to help a fellow player.

...Excluding the above, however, I guess that, yes, Mrs. Lincoln enjoyed the play.

quote:


Now I have to wonder which is more important to you: helping others, or self-promotion.


The kind of "self-promotion" I get by helping the Harpoon community and those who enjoy the game isn't, I assure you, something people would look for. OTOH, neither it is something I care about. So, I guess that the answer to your question is the former.

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RE: HUE newbie questions - 3/5/2012 6:15:44 PM   
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To be fair, I should say that my comments here, although made in reply to a post of yours, aren't aimed at you personally, Vince. I know that you are, more or less, posting here on behalf of more than a single individual. (Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on that).

Far be it from me to suggest that your (again, collectively) efforts in assisting newbies and others aren't helpful in many ways. But we diverge on philosophy, and from my standpoint, your efforts have taken on the same kind of self-promoting attitude that we've both seen elsewhere before. You know, the kind that claims to be the one and only at the expense of all others, and in the end, acts to the detriment of everyone.

That's all I have to say. Down scope.

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RE: HUE newbie questions - 3/5/2012 6:21:54 PM   
Vincenzo Beretta


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Fine. But if you want to speak with anyone, email or sites where you can reach him are always the best choice.

And now we return to our normal programming

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RE: HUE newbie questions - 3/5/2012 10:54:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Vincenzo Beretta

quote:

ORIGINAL: CV32
Its too bad that in your zeal to help others, as admirable as that is, you've become just like the outfit you rallied against in the beginning.


Hmmm... Let's do a reality check.

- There are some people in the community who open publish rants and insults about me on their official site. I don't.

- The very same people are developing a concurrent project and, interestingly enough, insult and lie about those who support Harpoon. I don't.

- I opened a site with the aim to help anyone who wants to have a better experience with Harpoon, no matter the version, no matter the needs - and paying it out of my pocket without whining for "contributions", I might add. They didn't.

- I opened and support from behind the scenes a Youtube channel devoted to Harpoon and to anyone who wants to enjoy the game and have a better experience with it. They didn't.

- I helped the community when some players were contacted by professionals interested in Harpoon. I got borderline insults from the very developer for that (something that, I assure you, left a lot of people amazed).

- I get borderline insults every other week for being among the crazies who still support the Harpoon community with time and money, while "others" are "developing a new and competing game, kudos to them!"

- ...And, every now and then, I get posts like yours after having contributed to help a fellow player.

...Excluding the above, however, I guess that, yes, Mrs. Lincoln enjoyed the play.

quote:


Now I have to wonder which is more important to you: helping others, or self-promotion.


The kind of "self-promotion" I get by helping the Harpoon community and those who enjoy the game isn't, I assure you, something people would look for. OTOH, neither it is something I care about. So, I guess that the answer to your question is the former.



You did this too...




Lemme guess...You were just kidding?

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RE: HUE newbie questions - 3/5/2012 11:13:32 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: TonyE


quote:

ORIGINAL: Vincenzo Beretta

Glad to see that you have arrived at the same conclusion as the rest of the community at large


Um, not hardly, that is like every employment recruiter saying they work for the #1 recruiter! Nice try though, too bad nobody has any energy left to oppose you guys and enlighten the masses.





I'd say we refocused our energy into building something.

Talk all you want but you should all try copying that

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RE: HUE newbie questions - 3/5/2012 11:33:50 PM   
Vincenzo Beretta


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No, I was serious, and I'm still very proud of it




...as I already explained (don't worry if you don't find those links so readily: one it is here).

An unintended but positive consequence is that it became a sort of sockpuppet detector, as that poor American guy showed by being shredded while armed with "strong personal beliefs" born from a GOOGLE GREEK LINK provided by Dimitris (same post linked above: a sad case, really).

Good luck with your "competing project", BTW. Personally I consider to start a new project by slandering, lying about, offending, and slandering some more those who support the older (and competing) one to be totally unprofessional (not to mention a symptom of the inability to move on, which is what "new" should all be about). But I guess that every project is guided by his own spirit, and yours is not different from others. Have fun.


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RE: HUE newbie questions - 3/6/2012 1:34:33 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Vincenzo Beretta

No, I was serious, and I'm still very proud of it




...as I already explained (don't worry if you don't find those links so readily: one it is here).

An unintended but positive consequence is that it became a sort of sockpuppet detector, as that poor American guy showed by being shredded while armed with "strong personal beliefs" born from a GOOGLE GREEK LINK provided by Dimitris (same post linked above: a sad case, really).

Good luck with your "competing project", BTW. Personally I consider to start a new project by slandering, lying about, offending, and slandering some more those who support the older (and competing) one to be totally unprofessional (not to mention a symptom of the inability to move on, which is what "new" should all be about). But I guess that every project is guided by his own spirit, and yours is not different from others. Have fun.



Thanks Vince,

Its posts like these that make it very easy to prove our point. It had to have been 0 dark thirty there and you're writing in caps into a web forum about stuff that happened 5+ years ago like it was yesterday... We don't even have to "say" anything just link and people eventually figure it out.

Checkmate.

My offer still stands. You guys ever want to direct all that crazy energy into something positive. Let me know.



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RE: HUE newbie questions - 3/6/2012 5:28:22 AM   
Vincenzo Beretta


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quote:

ORIGINAL: mikmyk
Thanks Vince,

Its posts like these that make it very easy to prove our point.


I can't agree with you more. The fact that you stalk a Harpoon forum five years after claiming to have moved onward, and to molest people who help with the game, says it all.

As I said, good luck with your project, and his fundaments strongly based on current events. Thanks for your offer: if we need you, we will let you know. Goodbye.

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RE: HUE newbie questions - 3/9/2012 11:30:00 AM   
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Vincenzo,

you certainly read Herman´s post, his unforced insult and gossip language over there at GameSquad?

http://forums.gamesquad.com/showthread.php?105502-HUE-Newbie-questions-about-Classic-GUIK-mission-2

CaptainPiluso, like Major Snafu one of those newbies/backcomers not aware about the guy whom they are here posting for, seems to have understood.

Good to see that Herman unmasked himself, once again.

That, pooners is why is banned from all major Harpoon Sites: Matrix Games, WarfareSims, HarpGamer.

Checkmate, as Mike pointed out correctly.

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RE: HUE newbie questions - 3/9/2012 11:38:34 AM   
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The really interesting thing in this thread is how the first post that insulted me used Myk & Co. as the yardstick to measure the worse in the community - a statement that resulted... in Myk & Co. insulting me nonetheless

Edit: Ah, no, there is another interesting thing: that I'm the "obsessed" one.

Do yourself a favor: try to work for the community. Or scratch that and don't do it: it won't change a thing.

And, BTW, next time you have a problem with someone on another forum, try to confront him on that forum.

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RE: HUE newbie questions - 3/9/2012 3:11:30 PM   
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Vincenzo,

no need to be upset. It´s certainly not nice for you that the guy to whom you send the newbies/backcomers from this site, thus they get first help and second the job to post for him here, blew the whole PR campaign.

Don´t worry about my contribution: I test all those wonderful ANW scens Mark writes at Harpgamer and I help to finish the SGR Battleset, to honour Darren/Bucks.

What is yours? Have you ever written just ONE scenario? Worked on a database? ...

No, I will never confront Herman again, this is all useless. I thought it was over, the insulting would never happen again. Sadly, he doesn´t change as this post shows. His language is his character. He really seems to live in a parallel world where only Harpoon and AGSI exist. Matrix, Don Gilman, Tony, Mike, Brad...they all have made these points very clear, especially what he could do for the game if it wasn´t for his ranting, not to mention all those plagarizing acts; discovered by HHQ/WarfareSIms and RIP Darren long ago.

I have no argument with you besides that one that you deceive all those guys who need help and get a deal instead.

Anyway, Vincenzo. No need to be upset. Sometimes PR fires back. Help him improve on his.

Have a nice weekend. I´ll proceed with writing scenarios.

If you like, we could meet for a good Latte Macchiato in Italy or in Switzerland. I´m in both countries this year. Then we could talk it over. Maybe we´d not agree, but this hopefully would tone down the whole thing.

After all we´re all Naval Wargamers, aren´t we?

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RE: HUE newbie questions - 3/9/2012 5:17:00 PM   
Vincenzo Beretta


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quote:

ORIGINAL: JSF
What is yours? Have you ever written just ONE scenario? Worked on a database? ...


... Provided sites and storage space out of my pocket without begging? Edited videos aimed to help newbies? Checked and separed facts from fiction?...

quote:


No, I will never confront Herman again, this is all useless.


Your recent posts, this included, speak volumes on the matter - exp. about the fact that, since you "won't confront this one or that one" you will molest unrelated people and threads instead. But whatever.

quote:


He really seems to live in a parallel world where only Harpoon and AGSI exist.


Beside the fact that he worked - repeatedly - as a professional consultant on Harpoon, you haven't even got it right in the first place:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGnto88-BgU&feature=related

quote:


not to mention all those plagarizing acts; discovered by HHQ/WarfareSIms and RIP Darren long ago.


See why it is important for the community to have someone who always looks for facts and discerns truth from fiction - instead of eating blindly whatever soup they spoon-feed to him?

quote:


I have no argument with you besides


...The one I actually have, which is...

quote:


that one that you deceive all those guys who need help and get a deal instead.


This is not either for you or for me to decide. I'm sure that everybody is perfectly able to decide by himself if he is happy with the help he gets.

Happy gaming!

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RE: HUE newbie questions - 3/9/2012 11:18:20 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: JSF



http://forums.gamesquad.com/showthread.php?105502-HUE-Newbie-questions-about-Classic-GUIK-mission-2

CaptainPiluso, like Major Snafu one of those newbies/backcomers not aware about the guy whom they are here posting for, seems to have understood.




Um,

I am not sure if the above is directed at me for good or for bad.

All I can say is that I am just a returning player, trying to come to grips with H3 in all of its interesting versions and having a bit of a struggle. I don't know what the best sites are to go for help. A number of people have made suggestions and I have investigated and registered at Harpgamer, etc.

But none of this should be taken as I have subscribed to any one view of anything. Heck, I don't know enough yet to realize that just by asking a question about a particular set of scenarios "Classic GUIK" that this means (to the learned) that I am using such and such a database and all of the apparent baggage that comes with it.

What I can say, is that this community to which I have returned, feels very much (regardless of where I am posting) like a bar that I have just walked into just a few seconds before a fight breaks out and I fell like I have to choose a side *right now*.

I am not interested in choosing sides. I don't know enough about the various versions, database, designers, etc. to choose a side. All I am interested in knowing is who is on *my* side, the humble player stumbling to learn this or that and reaching out for assistance. Different people have come forward in different ways to provide assistance, and to each I am very thankful. These people are on *my side*.

People who do me a service or a good turn have the right to ask me to do the same for them, and so long as it violates neither my principles or the law, I feel obligated to consider and discharge such obligations as are possible for me to do.

That is why I made certain postings mentioned above. A favor was done, a favor was reciprocated. Since there is no way for someone just wandering into this complicated thing that is Harpoon to come to any real grips with the political/relational/behind the scenes stuff, I took what I consider to be the only reasonable option. I will listen to and engage with those any or all active parties until "they" prove, through actions to me, to be otherwise that good harpoon community members.

As to anything else, I have no opinion because I haven't put in the time to learn enough to have an opinion yet.

That I will say is that there is very much a dearth of information to ground a new or incoming player. Or, I haven't found it yet. It is like the old days of UNIX. You either Groked it, or you didn't. Right now I don't grok Harpoon. And I am struggling to find the gurus who do grok it and are willing to impart their knowledge to a new player.

I just want to play Harpoon when I have the chance to do so, without spending what few gaming hours I have trying to just get something up and running.



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RE: HUE newbie questions - 3/10/2012 12:10:35 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Major SNAFU
Um,

I am not sure if the above is directed at me for good or for bad.

I'm thinking none of that is directed at you, certainly not the venom, these days that is in most part reserved for Herman and his supporters or whatever else they want to be called at any particular moment to serve their motives.

quote:


All I can say is that I am just a returning player, trying to come to grips with H3 in all of its interesting versions and having a bit of a struggle. I don't know what the best sites are to go for help. A number of people have made suggestions and I have investigated and registered at Harpgamer, etc.

Yup, and the few people Herman & Co. haven't entirely chased away from H3 who do know something tend to stay away. I don't know enough about H3 but I help where I can, when I can stand it. With each exchange with Herman & Co. I seem to be able to stand less and less time here and have even less desire to touch H3 at all.

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Heck, I don't know enough yet to realize that just by asking a question about a particular set of scenarios "Classic GUIK" that this means (to the learned) that I am using such and such a database and all of the apparent baggage that comes with it.

True, that tipped some of us off and not wanting to legitimize Herman's approach took away the desire we had to help in this case. It sucks for everyone except Herman & Co but that is how it is. It especially hurts you who are just innocently looking for help.

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What I can say, is that this community to which I have returned, feels very much (regardless of where I am posting) like a bar that I have just walked into just a few seconds before a fight breaks out and I fell like I have to choose a side *right now*.

I suppose this will be used in the Herman & Co pamphlet but there are no more sides. It is Herman & Co's side or nothing. They are so much better equipped to help H3 players, especially new and long lost players that they are the only choice unless you want to climb the steep learning curve required in any of alternative approaches (which pretty much boils down to fumbling like a blind man to actually play a scenario with HUD4). Thankfully that is not the case in HC land where we still have far less time to devote to Harpoon but we at least have the numbers available to help players.

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People who do me a service or a good turn have the right to ask me to do the same for them, and so long as it violates neither my principles or the law, I feel obligated to consider and discharge such obligations as are possible for me to do.

Which works great to a point. You'll find me describe Herman as the most prolific tester of Harpoon and one of the best testers; yet Herman & Co's other activities and approaches to Harpoon have made me cease all support and legitimization of them. That hurts everyone. I could try to ignore everything Herman & Co do except find and report bugs but at some point I have a responsibility to the community to not condone those activities I'm ignoring. Unfortunately there are many innocent bystanders hurt by any choice I make in this regard. I've chosen an approach I can live with, zero support of Herman & Co but I don't like it one bit.

quote:


I just want to play Harpoon when I have the chance to do so, without spending what few gaming hours I have trying to just get something up and running.

If the statements I've made above are accurate and I sincerely believe they are, your path is clear and it does not include HarpGamer or the developer of the game. Your path is with Herman & Co. About the only hope for H3 from a commercial standpoint is for the game to be handed over to Herman & Co, Herman & Co have effectively killed off any other approach (my 2 cents).

Now if you should ever want to play HC, I am the programmer there and we'll give you all the help we can at HarpGamer and being the people bending the code we can use your input to improve the game itself.

_____________________________

Sincerely,
Tony Eischens
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HarpGamer.com Co-Owner

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RE: HUE newbie questions - 3/10/2012 1:50:58 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Vincenzo Beretta

The really interesting thing in this thread is how the first post that insulted me used Myk & Co. as the yardstick to measure the worse in the community - a statement that resulted... in Myk & Co. insulting me nonetheless

Edit: Ah, no, there is another interesting thing: that I'm the "obsessed" one.

Do yourself a favor: try to work for the community. Or scratch that and don't do it: it won't change a thing.

And, BTW, next time you have a problem with someone on another forum, try to confront him on that forum.



Thanks Vince.

Linked!

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RE: HUE newbie questions - 3/10/2012 6:40:54 AM   
JSF

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Vincenzo Beretta

[...]

This is not either for you or for me to decide. I'm sure that everybody is perfectly able to decide by himself if he is happy with the help he gets.

Happy gaming!



+1 on both

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RE: HUE newbie questions - 3/10/2012 6:54:28 AM   
JSF

 

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Major SNAFU,

quote:

ORIGINAL: Major SNAFU


quote:

ORIGINAL: JSF



http://forums.gamesquad.com/showthread.php?105502-HUE-Newbie-questions-about-Classic-GUIK-mission-2

CaptainPiluso, like Major Snafu one of those newbies/backcomers not aware about the guy whom they are here posting for, seems to have understood.




Um,

I am not sure if the above is directed at me for good or for bad.




No offense meant. Thus directed for good.

I just wanted to point out how the system works and that you are posting on behalf of somebody who has been banned for years now because of the explained behaviour, banned by the publisher = Matrix Games and the Producer = AGSI/Don Gilman. Banned from Harpgamer and banned from Warfare Sims.

By posting for him you give him the workaround he needs to be here.

You now know about those positions and all is up to you (and the others). I think, like Tony, Mike and Brad, it was about time to lift again the curtain. btw all those bad guys were "Pooner of the Year".

Look here:

http://www.harpoonpages.com/pooner2011.htm

Either we all are the bad guys or he is. Just to give you some more input.

Enough.

Enjoy your Harpoon, using the database you like and the help you like. There is no doubt that Herman is very deep in the game and maintains his db on a regular basis.

HUD 4, the official database and successor to RIP Darren´s ("Bucks") HUD 3, is also out, and also maintained on a regular basis by Gunny.

Your choice.

Have a nice weekend!

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RE: HUE newbie questions - 3/10/2012 7:30:03 AM   
Vincenzo Beretta


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Major SNAFU

What I can say, is that this community to which I have returned, feels very much (regardless of where I am posting) like a bar that I have just walked into just a few seconds before a fight breaks out and I fell like I have to choose a side *right now*.


Major,

I understand your feeling, but the Harpoon community is actually made by those who enjoy the game; enjoy making DBs, scenarios and videos for it; enjoy playing MP together with fellow gamers; and are always happy to share their knowledge with fellow gamers, both newcomers and "old-hands", around the game many issues (because there is no usefulness in denying them). There is no need to "choose sides": like in any other community, each one can perfectly decide by himself with whom he is most comfortable.

Having said that, it is true that sometimes those who enjoy Harpoon see some disturbing happenings, and this thread is a microcosm of many of them.

It started with your request for help about an issue of the game - something perfectly normal. It soon turned in what I like to call "The Dolorous Procession".

The pattern is, I think, visible to anyone. Someone comes here and insults me (on the tune that I sold my brain, or similar ones). After a while I'm explained that I'm not actually the one being insulted, but another one, who is insulted via me, by proxy. At the end there is a sad goodbye (don't worry, it is never a goodbye...) usually accompanied by more sadness for "a wasted brain" (that's mine).

After a while someone else comes here and insults me ((on the tune that I sold my brain, or similar ones,sometimes insulting in the process innocent bystanders too); After a while I'm explained that I'm not actually the one being insulted, but another one, who is insulted via me, by...

I think you got the gist.

The tones are of sad tiredness. The promises that "this is the last time, goodbye" never fulfilled. The Dolorous Procession continues, like grey waves marching in their endless ranks to smash against the patience of the afflicted. Every then and now they do seem to affirm to have won... something. Not that this matters: not even the perception of "being the winner of something" stops the Dolorous Procession (or makes a "goodbye forever" a real "goodbye forever", as you can see in this very thread).

In the middle of all of this I get the stray insult about being "obsessed"

Meanwhile the community, the one I spoke to you at the beginning, thrives and continues to support the game.

[Some of the petitioners, BTW, are right now working on a direct competitor of Harpoon, as you can easily discover. As I said both here and elsewhere, I find deeply unprofessional to molest those supporting your competing game on that game's official forum. This is my opinion on the matter.]

Many of the insults are directed to specific individuals. They are seldom, if ever, directly confronted. The reason given is "It is futile" (read: "They won't think the way we want!") Fine. But one would think that adult people just accept that not everybody sees things the same way, and that, to some, a minute spent helping a fellow gamer is a minute better spent than petitioning "causes". For some reason this never happens, and the result is that other (rightfully annoyed) bystanders are molested instead - like in a... dunno, "campaign of enlightenment" or something against a perceived... again, dunno... Evil Empire or something.

From here your - correct - feeling that you are asked to "choose sides". Of course the idea that someone enjoying a game should do this is delusional, your free will being the only arbiter

Having said that, I feel that a bit of more "reality-checking" about this alleged "Evil Empire" is in order - since, as you will find out if you hang around enough, very little presented as "fact" during the Dolorous Procession weeks is actually based on any facts at all.

    - The PlayersDB Library installation file has always been willing to include and accommodate other databases along with their scenarios. Everyone is welcomed.

    - Sites such as HarPlonkHQ, SubSim, SimHQ, GameSquad, ScenShare, FilesOfScenShare, and CombatSim host the PlayersDB and have always been willing to host other various databases and scenarios without any pre-conditions. You will find that other sites feel the need to dictate who is allowed to post files. It is their privilege, but this doesn't make a policy better that another.

    - Other sites dedicate entire pages to rants and defamation towards the PlayersDB and its authors, yet no reciprocal pages exist to criticize their own customized databases.

    - the Evil Empire has been able to provide assistance to any who request it (professional and amateur, alike) without ever resortng to restraint or restriction of others from provision of the same.

    In short, the Evil Empire has never needed to curtail or interfere in the activities of others whilst in the pursuit of its own; nor has ever uttered "Do it OUR way or else".

    Who knows, maybe it is the value we give to freedom and freedom of thinking that attracts the unwelcome attentions of "fundamentalists". It happens: after all, games attempt to model the real world


Anyway, I hope not to have bored you. The length of this specific Dolorous Procession has been unusual, but it was not the first one, and, I sadly fear, it will not the last one. I feel obliged to warn you about this, so you can make an informed decision about this recurring event.

Cheers, and good gaming with your gaming pals! It is all that really matters! And remember: if you have a problem we are always here!

[A note to those wondering: "He says that all of this is a waste of electrons, and then he writes a paper??" Well, is not a waste of electrons for me: I'm an Italian who often works in foreign countries, and this is a way as good as another to hone my English skills. Like every dark cloud, the Dolorous Procession, too, has a silver lining - the only one, sadly.]

< Message edited by Vincenzo Beretta -- 3/10/2012 8:03:54 AM >

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RE: HUE newbie questions - 3/10/2012 3:18:59 PM   
mikmyk


Posts: 4745
Joined: 3/22/2005
Status: online
quote:

ORIGINAL: Vincenzo Beretta

quote:

ORIGINAL: Major SNAFU

What I can say, is that this community to which I have returned, feels very much (regardless of where I am posting) like a bar that I have just walked into just a few seconds before a fight breaks out and I fell like I have to choose a side *right now*.


Major,

I understand your feeling, but the Harpoon community is actually made by those who enjoy the game; enjoy making DBs, scenarios and videos for it; enjoy playing MP together with fellow gamers; and are always happy to share their knowledge with fellow gamers, both newcomers and "old-hands", around the game many issues (because there is no usefulness in denying them). There is no need to "choose sides": like in any other community, each one can perfectly decide by himself with whom he is most comfortable.

Having said that, it is true that sometimes those who enjoy Harpoon see some disturbing happenings, and this thread is a microcosm of many of them.

It started with your request for help about an issue of the game - something perfectly normal. It soon turned in what I like to call "The Dolorous Procession".

The pattern is, I think, visible to anyone. Someone comes here and insults me (on the tune that I sold my brain, or similar ones). After a while I'm explained that I'm not actually the one being insulted, but another one, who is insulted via me, by proxy. At the end there is a sad goodbye (don't worry, it is never a goodbye...) usually accompanied by more sadness for "a wasted brain" (that's mine).

After a while someone else comes here and insults me ((on the tune that I sold my brain, or similar ones,sometimes insulting in the process innocent bystanders too); After a while I'm explained that I'm not actually the one being insulted, but another one, who is insulted via me, by...

I think you got the gist.

The tones are of sad tiredness. The promises that "this is the last time, goodbye" never fulfilled. The Dolorous Procession continues, like grey waves marching in their endless ranks to smash against the patience of the afflicted. Every then and now they do seem to affirm to have won... something. Not that this matters: not even the perception of "being the winner of something" stops the Dolorous Procession (or makes a "goodbye forever" a real "goodbye forever", as you can see in this very thread).

In the middle of all of this I get the stray insult about being "obsessed"

Meanwhile the community, the one I spoke to you at the beginning, thrives and continues to support the game.

[Some of the petitioners, BTW, are right now working on a direct competitor of Harpoon, as you can easily discover. As I said both here and elsewhere, I find deeply unprofessional to molest those supporting your competing game on that game's official forum. This is my opinion on the matter.]

Many of the insults are directed to specific individuals. They are seldom, if ever, directly confronted. The reason given is "It is futile" (read: "They won't think the way we want!") Fine. But one would think that adult people just accept that not everybody sees things the same way, and that, to some, a minute spent helping a fellow gamer is a minute better spent than petitioning "causes". For some reason this never happens, and the result is that other (rightfully annoyed) bystanders are molested instead - like in a... dunno, "campaign of enlightenment" or something against a perceived... again, dunno... Evil Empire or something.

From here your - correct - feeling that you are asked to "choose sides". Of course the idea that someone enjoying a game should do this is delusional, your free will being the only arbiter

Having said that, I feel that a bit of more "reality-checking" about this alleged "Evil Empire" is in order - since, as you will find out if you hang around enough, very little presented as "fact" during the Dolorous Procession weeks is actually based on any facts at all.

    - The PlayersDB Library installation file has always been willing to include and accommodate other databases along with their scenarios. Everyone is welcomed.

    - Sites such as HarPlonkHQ, SubSim, SimHQ, GameSquad, ScenShare, FilesOfScenShare, and CombatSim host the PlayersDB and have always been willing to host other various databases and scenarios without any pre-conditions. You will find that other sites feel the need to dictate who is allowed to post files. It is their privilege, but this doesn't make a policy better that another.

    - Other sites dedicate entire pages to rants and defamation towards the PlayersDB and its authors, yet no reciprocal pages exist to criticize their own customized databases.

    - the Evil Empire has been able to provide assistance to any who request it (professional and amateur, alike) without ever resortng to restraint or restriction of others from provision of the same.

    In short, the Evil Empire has never needed to curtail or interfere in the activities of others whilst in the pursuit of its own; nor has ever uttered "Do it OUR way or else".

    Who knows, maybe it is the value we give to freedom and freedom of thinking that attracts the unwelcome attentions of "fundamentalists". It happens: after all, games attempt to model the real world


Anyway, I hope not to have bored you. The length of this specific Dolorous Procession has been unusual, but it was not the first one, and, I sadly fear, it will not the last one. I feel obliged to warn you about this, so you can make an informed decision about this recurring event.

Cheers, and good gaming with your gaming pals! It is all that really matters! And remember: if you have a problem we are always here!

[A note to those wondering: "He says that all of this is a waste of electrons, and then he writes a paper??" Well, is not a waste of electrons for me: I'm an Italian who often works in foreign countries, and this is a way as good as another to hone my English skills. Like every dark cloud, the Dolorous Procession, too, has a silver lining - the only one, sadly.]


While you were writing this I played a few games. I don't remember what database, mod or whatever I was using. I don't think I really cared. Its not important to me because its not why I play games.

There is no Dolorous Procession. Your manifesto's are getting stranger as time goes on.

What exactly is wrong with you? I see a lot of passion but its mostly directed at playing games with the community rather than the game itself. This is what JSF is getting at. Not one scenario, db or anything else constructive. Just a whole lot of posts...that have the word I and me in it and what you think people do to you.
Its honestly strange.

Anyways....you're not getting anymore time of mine this weekend.

Linked!





< Message edited by mikmyk -- 3/10/2012 7:50:55 PM >

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RE: HUE newbie questions - 3/10/2012 3:37:51 PM   
Vincenzo Beretta


Posts: 577
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mikmyk

quote:


At the end there is a sad goodbye (don't worry, it is never a goodbye...)


What exactly is wrong you really? I see a lot of passion but its mostly directed at playing games with the community rather than the game itself. This is what JSF is getting at. Not one scenario, db or anything else constructive. Just a whole lot of posts...that have the word I and me in it and what you think people do to you.

Anyways....you're not getting anymore time of mine this weekend.


...As Mikmyk kindly exemplified here

< Message edited by Vincenzo Beretta -- 3/10/2012 3:48:06 PM >

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RE: HUE newbie questions - 3/10/2012 8:00:02 PM   
mikmyk


Posts: 4745
Joined: 3/22/2005
Status: online

quote:

ORIGINAL: Vincenzo Beretta

quote:

ORIGINAL: mikmyk

quote:


At the end there is a sad goodbye (don't worry, it is never a goodbye...)


What exactly is wrong you really? I see a lot of passion but its mostly directed at playing games with the community rather than the game itself. This is what JSF is getting at. Not one scenario, db or anything else constructive. Just a whole lot of posts...that have the word I and me in it and what you think people do to you.

Anyways....you're not getting anymore time of mine this weekend.


...As Mikmyk kindly exemplified here



Speaking of good examples..

http://harpgamer.com/harpforum/index.php?showforum=27

I haven't been to this site in awhile but looks like Gunny and the guys are pretty focused on just building stuff and having fun with the game.

Time well spent.

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RE: HUE newbie questions - 3/10/2012 8:03:06 PM   
Vincenzo Beretta


Posts: 577
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mikmyk
Speaking of good examples..


What a short week-end! Hope you had a good time.

quote:


http://harpgamer.com/harpforum/index.php?showforum=27

I haven't been to this site in awhile but looks like Gunny and the guys are pretty focused on just building stuff and having fun with the game.

Time well spent.


Thank you for notifying us all

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RE: HUE newbie questions - 3/10/2012 8:57:30 PM   
Erik Rutins

 

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Hi everyone,

Major Snafu, I'm sorry you walked into this. Unfortunately all is not well in the Harpoon community, as you've seen first-hand, but there are a lot of good folks who are happy to help, it's just easy to get caught in the crossfire.

Vince, while Major Snafu is a new poster, you are not. You knew quite well what that comment in your first post would lead to and you seem to enjoy stirring things up. This thread is locked and you have a warning. If you continue to troll, you'll get a ban to think things over.

Regards,

- Erik

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