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RE: A Load Of Horrocks - From the Meuse to the Rhine AAR - 3/3/2012 11:36:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Nijmegen - Day 6 0000

69th Bde, 1 WO , 4 WI (5 batts) continue to reduce NJ pokcet - down to about 700 troops now

1/508, 2/508 3/508 are resting ready to occupy NJ and 3/504 and 1/505 have been marched South and East to hold Groesbeek Heights

1 CO and 1&2 GR Grds spent rest of day 5 clearing North side of bridge but are now resting - final unit being pursued by Engineers





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RE: A Load Of Horrocks - From the Meuse to the Rhine AAR - 3/3/2012 11:47:04 AM   
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4SLI & 5WI + 8th Armd Bde are to attack East from HH at dawn

2IR + 2 Wlsh Gds are holding Elst - no real attempt to push down HH from Arnhem during the day








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RE: A Load Of Horrocks - From the Meuse to the Rhine AAR - 3/3/2012 11:58:08 AM   
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Pockets in Arnhem have defended in place all day - they are out of basics but not being pressed that hard so still have ammo

10 Para + Div troops have been pushed back a bit on SW

11 Para are at still contesting Bilderberg crossroads

3 Para are trying to clear Oosterbeck centre from more units that have infiltrated in from north

156 Para Hold NW of Oosterbeek to try and clear out route for bases but are too tried to really achieve anything

Arty managed to pull out into Oosterbeck (with no ammo) but the bases and HQ's just refuse to move

South of the river the Bridge units are about 2 hours away from completing bridge

I have 3 Pol Para plus a couple of other units to defend the south side of the bridge if Germans decide to cut it off

2 Wlsh, 2 IR and 2 Pol Para will cross as soon as bridge is completed - Guards will go into Arnhem to relieve units there and 2 Pol Para will help out to NW






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RE: A Load Of Horrocks - From the Meuse to the Rhine AAR - 3/3/2012 12:14:11 PM   
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So about halfway through the scenario and I now feel pretty confident

NJ is almost clear which will release a lot of UK Inf

Groesbeek is pretty secure and I hope to be able to get the remaining VP's there

The route to Arnhem for XXX corps via rail bridge will soon be open and I feel that if I can rescue the paras, clear and hold West Arnhem and secure some more of HH over next 4 days , I'll count that as a victory- th erhine will be well and truly crossed

NJ pocket has helped me push up the German losses to date, althought they have lost a lot of (low class) units in 1st Airbonre area







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RE: A Load Of Horrocks - From the Meuse to the Rhine AAR - 3/3/2012 12:21:11 PM   
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RE: A Load Of Horrocks - From the Meuse to the Rhine AAR - 3/3/2012 12:28:50 PM   
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Give me more! Can't wait to see how you do. Loved it. Thanks for posting. I have given up playing this scenario every time I've tried (about 6 times, so far), partly because of a bug (see 'Locked up' thread in tech forum) which Dave says he will fix (it is really irritating me and messing things up because formations just seem to halt all the time when I give bypass commands), partly because it looks impossible to win. It's inspiring that you continued and turned
the tide, because about where you were going to give up is where I do give up, every time (ie fairly early on) when it seems all DZs will be overrun, niether bridge can be taken and help is still 36 hours away (with the historical result always leering over your shoulder)! But now I'll try again and persist maybe. Please be sure to post the conclusion.


Thanks for the feedback!!

I did have some frustrations with some units just refusing to move but it seemed to be limited to Regimental or higher HQ's and bases so it did not affect me that much and it "felt" more like I was a real commmander so I lived with it

Thing to remember is that is a LONG scenario - the MOST important thing for me is to take Grave and Honitujie unblown - If you do this you can get XXX corps into action so much quicker

I'll try to complete AAR over the next few days - its almost as much fun replaying it like this :)

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RE: A Load Of Horrocks - From the Meuse to the Rhine AAR - 3/3/2012 12:32:15 PM   
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Are you getting these AARs by saving then surrendering?



Yes - I've completed the scenario already so this AAR is just going back through the saves I made and trying to remember my thought processes at the time!!

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RE: A Load Of Horrocks - From the Meuse to the Rhine AAR - 3/4/2012 11:56:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Groesbeek - Day 7 09:00

Had a long session without saves so a big gap here!

2 main points of interest here

Major counter attack by Germans in South has left the defensive line a bit dog legged so 7HA are assaulting in front of Mook to straighten line

But to make this attack they seem to have pulled everything out of Groesbeek so I'm jumping forward the UK Batts to hold it








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RE: A Load Of Horrocks - From the Meuse to the Rhine AAR - 3/5/2012 12:12:48 AM   
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NJ pocket was cleared late on Day 6

1WO went South to rejoin rest of 214 Brigade

4WI went North and they plus rest of 129 Bde + 8th Armd are continuing to push NE

This attack while not toward any objective per se is doing a lot of damage - I already have 15 grey crosses in their path

5EY are resting before they join the rest of 69 Bde in Arnhem

508 PIR are in place to defend NJ with 1/505 & 3/505 holding North End of Groesbeek heights









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RE: A Load Of Horrocks - From the Meuse to the Rhine AAR - 3/5/2012 12:31:36 AM   
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Brit Para units are all pretty much holding in place as they are too tired to do anything else

2 Pol Para + 1& 2 Gr Gds are clearing out area around para bases which have been stuck all day

2 Wlsh Gds are attacking a Bilderberg Crossroads

1 Wlsh & 3 Irsh Gds are pushing into W. Arnhem since bridge was completed but not getting anywhere fast

6 & 7GH are arriving to help out with assault

This is second big mistake AI made in my opinion - aside from a single assault by a weak para batt (being beaten of in this pic), they never tried to cut off the route to Rail bridge, so I could move units all the way from NJ to Arnhem at will


South of River I have Coldstream Gds + 2IR holding Elst - planning to release them into Arnhem as soon as I can






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RE: A Load Of Horrocks - From the Meuse to the Rhine AAR - 3/5/2012 7:16:25 PM   
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Groesbeek - Day 8 07:00

The newly arrived 327th is shoring up the South of my defensive line

I'm still chasing down odd units who sneaked through 2 days ago

Groesbeek attack now going forward

Plan is that once 327th have shored up line I can release UK 214th Bde to go north - I should have enough to hold everything I need with 82nd + 130th Bde




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RE: A Load Of Horrocks - From the Meuse to the Rhine AAR - 3/5/2012 7:34:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nijmegen/Elst - Day 8 0700

All quiet in NJ south of river - in fact no German attack will be made against it for the rest of the game

129 Bde + 8th Armd are now solely responsible for NJ- Elst stretch along with a few Gds Div Assets

4WI and RDG hold Elst

NY + 4 SLI are defending as they were last to assault

13/18 Hussars and 5WI are trying to take Kuilenburg

Once I have this area, I will hold with 4 & 5 WI and release 8th Amrd Bde (plus 214 Bde) to push north up HH on Day 9/10




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RE: A Load Of Horrocks - From the Meuse to the Rhine AAR - 3/5/2012 7:47:57 PM   
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Brit Para units still hold in place

69 Bde are defending in Centre - 1 WE and 3 IR Gds (The inf batts) are assaulting beyond them toward Hwy Brdge Nrth Objective

3 Pol Para + 2 IR and % CO Gds are attacking NE to clear W Arnhem Objective - I've achieved it a couple of times for a few minutes at a time but need to clear out the remaining Germans for good

2 GR Gds are assaulting East on the outskirts of town to take advantage (I hope) of better terrain for armour






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RE: A Load Of Horrocks - From the Meuse to the Rhine AAR - 3/5/2012 8:31:06 PM   
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10/11 Para hold SW approaches and remaining Brit Para Units are holding perimeter in situ

1 GR and 2 WE Gds are continuing to attack few remaining units threatening Div Base Unit

2 Pol Para are defending Supply Point for final day it will receive supplies

2 Hvy Tank (Tiger) Co's have pushed (unsupported) right into Oosterbeek so I've diverted 1 CO Gds to deal with them

Later on day 8, 1 CO Gds will destroy the first one with some ease (I'm guessing due to tight terrain) and I will then pull them out to help out in Arnhem

I will then leave 2 WE to clear up the other one which will be a big mistake - 2 WE only have Cromwell/Challenger tanks and are badly mauled before I use the Gd Hqs (with Fireflys) to knock out the 2nd Company

Point for Arjuna if he is reading this - even tho all 1st Airborne Div Base units are now in supply, I never see a single request go through for Brit Para units for the rest of the game - some of my para units will go 5 days with 0 basics, but they remain OK to hold ground!!









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RE: A Load Of Horrocks - From the Meuse to the Rhine AAR - 3/5/2012 8:50:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Groesbeek/Nijmegen - Day 8 18:00

The Line here is now secure and I am in control of all remaining VP points

Aside from chasing down the last couple of infiltrators and pulling the 214th Bde out to go North, I don't do anything else in this sector for rest of the game as the Germans do not really put in any more significant attacks here so I can hold my objectives with ease







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RE: A Load Of Horrocks - From the Meuse to the Rhine AAR - 3/5/2012 8:53:06 PM   
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Nijmegen/Elst - Day 8 1800

No Picture here as very little has changed!

13/18 Hussars and 5WI are getting bloody nose in their assault, so later on day 8 I decide there is nothing to be gained and just leave 4 SLI and 5 WI to hold the defensive line where it is and pull the Armd Batts back to push north on HH




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RE: A Load Of Horrocks - From the Meuse to the Rhine AAR - 3/5/2012 8:53:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		TK421, you've re-inspired me to try this one again.

Arnhem's usually not an issue for me, Nijmegen's where I drop the ball. You've given me some new ideas.

Thanks,
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RE: A Load Of Horrocks - From the Meuse to the Rhine AAR - 3/5/2012 9:01:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Arnhem D8 18:00

Brit Para units are still mostly holding in place but I'm trying to use them to shield the main attack east from any counter attacks from odd units to the north

69 Bde are now pushing SE toward Hwy Brdge Nrth Objective through 1 WE and 3 IR Gds who are now securing objectives

3 Pol Para + 2 IR, 1 CO & 5 CO Gds are continuing to attack NE

I've gained W Arnhem Objective but want to make sure no unit will sneak in and snatch it back just before completion





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RE: A Load Of Horrocks - From the Meuse to the Rhine AAR - 3/5/2012 9:09:00 PM   
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Again no piccie as no massive change

2WE and 1GR Gds have finished clearing up (or being mashed by Tigers) and are resting up ready to go into Arnhem on Day 9

The rest of area is just being held by Paras in situ or I'm using Gds Div troops plus 2 Pol Para to
destroy any odd units I find inside perimeter


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RE: A Load Of Horrocks - From the Meuse to the Rhine AAR - 3/5/2012 9:19:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		North Island - Day 10 0030 THE FINAL DAY

Everything south of here is pretty static so no updates

North of Elst I have 4 Inf Batts plus 8 Armd Bde pushing along HH toward Elden

I've also got some composite groups of Grds Div AT troops attacking from the West

I've taken Checkpoint 4 and hope to secure (or at least deny) Chkpoint 5 and Elden to Germans by end of day




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RE: A Load Of Horrocks - From the Meuse to the Rhine AAR - 3/5/2012 9:28:29 PM   
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Day 9 saw me secure North side of bridge and make big inroads into German defenses in North Arnhem

I now have all 8 Gd Batts in Arnhem and they will be thrown forward tomorrow to try and max out my points, including a push SOUTH from (a 50% strength) 2WE across the bridge

69 Bde + 1 Pol Para Bde will join in general assault which after some initial delays early on D9 really got moving in last few hours of daylight




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RE: A Load Of Horrocks - From the Meuse to the Rhine AAR - 3/5/2012 9:34:09 PM   
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Perimeter is now secured by Paras with all bases nice and safe inside and Household Cav + Guard Regt HQ units "sweeping" up

As stated above even at this point no supply is happening to Para units

This did not really hurt me, but I would like to know if this was WAD??







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RE: A Load Of Horrocks - From the Meuse to the Rhine AAR - 3/5/2012 9:42:48 PM   
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So I did not manage to take either Chkpoint 5 and Elden, but I'm strongly invested in both

As a total bonus, I also rather easily managed to get the South end of the Hwy Bridge with just 2 WE plus 2 x Eng Coy plus Household Cav Coy

Germans are in tatters - given another 12 hours I would have secured HH from end to end




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RE: A Load Of Horrocks - From the Meuse to the Rhine AAR - 3/5/2012 9:46:28 PM   
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Initially at Nijmegen, how did you task the bns. assigned to take the town/bridge?

Thanks,
Nate

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RE: A Load Of Horrocks - From the Meuse to the Rhine AAR - 3/5/2012 9:50:02 PM   
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No change on Oosterbeek front so final update is from the main stage!!

Mass assault on D10 has secured Nrth Arnhem (no real surprise) and the Rail Yards (BIG surprise)

I've also got a fair few units in East Arnhem so hopefully denied that to AI as well

Again the German resistance really faded in the last 24 hours - I did not really use any subtle manoeuvres just "bashed" on through







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RE: A Load Of Horrocks - From the Meuse to the Rhine AAR - 3/5/2012 9:52:58 PM   
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So my end of turn report comes up with no great surprise

By 90-32 a Decisive Victory






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RE: A Load Of Horrocks - From the Meuse to the Rhine AAR - 3/5/2012 10:06:35 PM   
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As I said at the start this was great fun

The real turning point was getting across the Waal on D4/D5 - get stuck there and you are in trouble (which is kinda like real life so another thumbs up to the game), but if you can get XXX corps rumbling they will get the job done

As I said previously I had some frustration with lock up on a couple of occasions and supply for the paras seemed to possibly to be not working (plus I NEVER had much arty ammo for anyone) but that to me just makes it seem more real - sometimes your sub commanders will just f%^k it up!!

Thanks to all for reading, apologies if the pictures are confusing but it was only really intended to be a quick AAR to encourage people to give the scenario a full run through

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RE: A Load Of Horrocks - From the Meuse to the Rhine AAR - 3/5/2012 10:08:38 PM   
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TK,

Initially at Nijmegen, how did you task the bns. assigned to take the town/bridge?

Thanks,
Nate


The ones I "sneaked" over the rail bridge had move with min aggro and bypass

The ones actually assaulting I just had defaults except for Line formation

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RE: A Load Of Horrocks - From the Meuse to the Rhine AAR - 3/5/2012 10:23:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		That's what I've tried with the 3 bns. of the 508th as soon as they land, but they invariably get caught up in firefights with either Hencke or SS units coming from Arnhem.

I'll try again.

Thanks,
Nate

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RE: A Load Of Horrocks - From the Meuse to the Rhine AAR - 3/5/2012 11:12:58 PM   
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As I said at the start this was great fun

...supply for the paras seemed to possibly to be not working (plus I NEVER had much arty ammo for anyone) but that to me just makes it seem more real -

Very nicely done TK421, this is not an easy one to win!

The game is working as designed. Para supply will usually peter out by D5-D6 as their ability to effectively deliver cargo drops to nil. You could consider abandoning your SEPS and relocating your bases closer to your front lines, but that may not buy you much.

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