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Blizzard seasons in '42, '43 and '44 - 2/27/2012 2:59:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		having managed to get over the '41 blizzard and going over to the offensive in the south (still ongoing attempt to capture Stalingrad and Baku but still about half way to Baku), I find myself with a window of opportunity of about 5 clear weeks to accomplish these goals. I've moved the mountain divisions (German, Romanian but not Italian ones) south in order to continue the southern offensive. 4 Romanian Army will garrison the Caucasus and Crimea.

So I've already withdrawn in certain areas in order to rationalise my frontlines. I'm also digging in with the Hungarians and the Italians around Bouchier (sorry for the spelling), keeping the advance up with the German units (may sound that I'm heading to my Stalingrad but I have disrupted the rail network almost to Saratov in order to delay reinforcemnts.

But a lot will depend on the rules that apply for the second blizzard and so on.

Do divisions lose morale rapidly as in the first blizzard? And do the mountain divisions remain veritable gods of war during blizzard? I believe not but I'd like to confirm it.

Secondly, do bonuses applied to cities and urban hexes regarding morale etc still apply? Or can one stuff cities with three units and not just two?

Thirdly, Does it make sense to send forces back to Germany (I'm thinking of key panzer formations and assault infantry divisions) or keeping them on rails and in cities/urban hexes would be enough? During the first blizzard I basically kept the mobile formations and key infantry divisions in hexes in Russia with only 2 corps being sent to Germany.

What about the Luftwaffe? Do you prefer to keep it up front carrying out ground support missions or would it be better to send the bulk of the forces to the national reserve to rest?

Any ideas would be appreciated.
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RE: Blizzard seasons in '42, '43 and '44 - 2/27/2012 3:04:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		No, all of that apply to first winter only.

during Blizzard turns in any scenario that includes the months of December 1941 through March 1942.


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RE: Blizzard seasons in '42, '43 and '44 - 2/27/2012 8:34:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes but I'm asking for blizzard months from '42 onwards - ie end of '42

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RE: Blizzard seasons in '42, '43 and '44 - 2/27/2012 8:46:09 PM   
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Status: online 		No morale loss or any of the effects in 22.3 due to blizzard after the first winter. I agree that this is not what the manual states.

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RE: Blizzard seasons in '42, '43 and '44 - 2/27/2012 9:04:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		So basically one can keep all units in the open including the Pz divisions and not withdraw them to cities/urban hexes or to the homeland to protect them from the effects of the blizzard? Interesting because my only other long term full game under different patches (some time ago) seemed to do otherwise. Thanks for the tip!

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RE: Blizzard seasons in '42, '43 and '44 - 2/27/2012 9:08:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Offworlder

So basically one can keep all units in the open including the Pz divisions and not withdraw them to cities/urban hexes or to the homeland to protect them from the effects of the blizzard? Interesting because my only other long term full game under different patches (some time ago) seemed to do otherwise. Thanks for the tip!


That is correct; there is no extra effects for the Axis. They function as well as the Russians. You can keep Panzers outside all you want, they won't lose morale.




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RE: Blizzard seasons in '42, '43 and '44 - 2/27/2012 9:30:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks! Good to know. So I'm assuming that the mountain troops will not have any special bonuses either.

How does the Luftwaffe fair? I mean that considering that they will probably be sitting on undisrupted railroads, is there any need to transfer the bulk of their forces to the national reserve? Or can you/do you keep them up front to aid in the defence of the front?

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RE: Blizzard seasons in '42, '43 and '44 - 2/27/2012 9:40:58 PM   
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Status: online 		Blizzard is not the most optimal flying conditions, so the effect of bombers is reduced. Not that the Soviets will care - they have planes to spare.

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RE: Blizzard seasons in '42, '43 and '44 - 2/27/2012 11:26:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		FYI, Mountain units DO get a bonus in those successive winters, but just a MOVEMENT bonus. That is still useful to an extent, especially to react to an attack. I tend to use the German Mountain units as Reserves anyway, because their NM is higher than other German infantry (because of the +5 bonus they get).

Gingerbread is right, both airforces will suffer more losses for fewer results in bad weather. Of course, for the Soviets, air losses matter very little.

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RE: Blizzard seasons in '42, '43 and '44 - 2/28/2012 9:41:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the tips!

Then I'll have to bring German Mountain corps up north to act as a fire brigade.

Regarding the Luftwaffe, it would make sense to keep the fighters up front but only keep a selection of level bombers, such as the He 111 (there are a lot of planes in the reserve) and remove the ground attack and JU88 and Dornier equipped groups in the national reserve. Also I'll keep some transport groups up front as well.

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