Matrix Games

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ORIGINAL: 2ndACR

Good grief, here comes the Tiger vs Sherman debate ...

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ORIGINAL: BAL

... I also saw the same episode as the OP. Never heard of the "expert" that they had on. Next episode they're showing "A Bridge Too Far" with Gen McCaffrey (sp?) as their guest expert. His opinion I'd give a bit more credence to.

Stratford, Connecticut, U.S.A.

"The Angel of Okinawa"

Home of the Chance-Vought Corsair, F4U
The best fighter-bomber of World War II

(in reply to BAL)

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host Lou Diamond Phillips

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ORIGINAL: Max 86

Its along the lines of a scientist discussing the challenges of coconut technology of the Professor on Gilligan's Island. "You can't really make a radio out of a coconut, you know." I can hear him saying now!

Spring chicken to ****ehawk in one easy lesson.

(in reply to Max 86)

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ORIGINAL: Max 86

This episode is a classic case of a stuffed shirt type taking things WAYYYY too seriously. For him to actually feel the need to point out that Oddball would never have made it in Col. Abrams tank force and how he could never make it back to allied lines riding in a tiger because of allied air supremacy...yada yada yada...completely misses the entire point of the movie! ...

Stratford, Connecticut, U.S.A.

"The Angel of Okinawa"

Home of the Chance-Vought Corsair, F4U
The best fighter-bomber of World War II

(in reply to Max 86)

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ORIGINAL: doomtrader

The Shermans won the war.

IIRC there was over 50k of Shermans built, and only around 1,5k of Tigers and 0,5k of King Tigers.
This is 25 to one.
Even if you add 9k of Pz IV it is still 4 to one.
And even if you add 5k of Panthers it is still over 3 to 1.

Of course you have to remember about all those T-34s on the Eastern front to make this counting more valid.


In my opinion:
Tiger is a way cooler tank than Sherman, but I would prefer to have all those Shermans instead the kitties.

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No doubting the contribution of the US and the USSR in defeating the Axis. But the war was won by the Commonwealth too; the contribution of the Commonwealth nations is too easily forgotten by some.

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Conspiracy Too Monstrous To Conceive

June 8, 2003

by Henry Makow Ph.D.

G.W. Bush"The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists." J. Edgar Hoover

The world is in the malignant grip of a satanic cult.

People recoil at the suggestion but proof stares us in the face every day.

George W. Bush, President of the "Free World" is a member of "Skull and Bones" a chapter of the Illuminati order. His father, grandfather and uncle are also members.

In his autobiography, "A Charge to Keep" Bush writes, "My senior year I joined Skull and Bones, a secret society so secret I can't say anything more." In Aug. 2000 he said his "heritage is part of who I am."

Isn't this a conflict of interest?

Hello! Can a man hold any public office, let alone the most important, and belong to a "secret society"? If this society were benign, would it have to be secret?

What a secret society it is! The Illuminati is the hidden hand behind all modern cataclysms, including the French and Russian Revolutions, Communism, the Depression and Nazism. To affect the course of history only takes money. The people behind the Illuminati have plenty.

It's time we faced reality. Murphy's Law applies to humanity. "If it can go wrong, it will."

It has. The world is ruled by a satanic cult.


>THE ILLUMINATI AND THE SKULL & BONES


The Illuminati originates in the Jewish Kabala, Babylonian mystery cults, the Templars, Freemasons and assorted interests dedicated to Satan worship and absolute power. On May 1 1776, Adam Weishaupt, a professor at the University of Inglestadt in Germany, founded "The Order of the Illuminati." Many people believe Weishaupt was sponsored by Prince William of Hesse Casel and his banker Meyer Amschel Rothschild, the wealthiest man in the world.

The Illuminati's goal was to destroy Western Civilization and to erect a new world order ruled by them. Its method was to dissolve all social ties (employer, nation, religion, race, family) by exploiting social discontent and promising a golden age of "human brotherhood." This is now called "globalization."

Attracted by the promise of power and change, people served without realizing who or what they were supporting. Weishaupt urged his followers to "practise the art of counterfeit." New recruits were told the Illuminati expressed the original spirit of Christianity. Weishaupt marvelled that even churchmen could be gulled. "Oh! Men, of what cannot you be persuaded?" (Nesta Webster, World Revolution, 1921, p. 27)

The Illuminati had a hand in every so-called "progressive" movement of the past 200 years. Women, said Weishaupt, were to be enlisted with "hints of emancipation." They "can all be led toward change by vanity, curiosity, sensuality and inclination." (Webster, 29)

William Huntington, an American who had studied in Germany, founded the "Skull and Bones" (Chapter 322 of the Bavarian Illuminati) at Yale University in 1832. The members wore a death's head on their chests and were sworn to secrecy on pain of death. "The Order" became the preserve of the leading New England families, many wealthy from the Opium trade. These include the Whitneys, Tafts, Buckleys, Lowells, Sloans, Coffins, and Harrimans. The Bush family was dependent on these interests.

For over 150 years, "Bonesmen" have run the world from positions in banking, intelligence, media, law and government. Members included Presidential handler Averell Harriman, anti war leader William Sloan Coffin, Time-Life magnate Henry Luce, Truman war secretary Henry Stimson (responsible for dropping the atomic bomb), pseudo conservative William F. Buckley and many more.

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ORIGINAL: SLAAKMAN

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No doubting the contribution of the US and the USSR in defeating the Axis. But the war was won by the Commonwealth too; the contribution of the Commonwealth nations is too easily forgotten by some.

(Actually the Commonwealth, Russia, France, Poland, Germany, Italy Japan, et al & the US lost the war. The winner was Satan & the Illuminati;)

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Conspiracy Too Monstrous To Conceive

June 8, 2003

by Henry Makow Ph.D.

G.W. Bush"The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists." J. Edgar Hoover

The world is in the malignant grip of a satanic cult.

People recoil at the suggestion but proof stares us in the face every day.

George W. Bush, President of the "Free World" is a member of "Skull and Bones" a chapter of the Illuminati order. His father, grandfather and uncle are also members.

In his autobiography, "A Charge to Keep" Bush writes, "My senior year I joined Skull and Bones, a secret society so secret I can't say anything more." In Aug. 2000 he said his "heritage is part of who I am."

Isn't this a conflict of interest?

Hello! Can a man hold any public office, let alone the most important, and belong to a "secret society"? If this society were benign, would it have to be secret?

What a secret society it is! The Illuminati is the hidden hand behind all modern cataclysms, including the French and Russian Revolutions, Communism, the Depression and Nazism. To affect the course of history only takes money. The people behind the Illuminati have plenty.

It's time we faced reality. Murphy's Law applies to humanity. "If it can go wrong, it will."

It has. The world is ruled by a satanic cult.


>THE ILLUMINATI AND THE SKULL & BONES


The Illuminati originates in the Jewish Kabala, Babylonian mystery cults, the Templars, Freemasons and assorted interests dedicated to Satan worship and absolute power. On May 1 1776, Adam Weishaupt, a professor at the University of Inglestadt in Germany, founded "The Order of the Illuminati." Many people believe Weishaupt was sponsored by Prince William of Hesse Casel and his banker Meyer Amschel Rothschild, the wealthiest man in the world.

The Illuminati's goal was to destroy Western Civilization and to erect a new world order ruled by them. Its method was to dissolve all social ties (employer, nation, religion, race, family) by exploiting social discontent and promising a golden age of "human brotherhood." This is now called "globalization."

Attracted by the promise of power and change, people served without realizing who or what they were supporting. Weishaupt urged his followers to "practise the art of counterfeit." New recruits were told the Illuminati expressed the original spirit of Christianity. Weishaupt marvelled that even churchmen could be gulled. "Oh! Men, of what cannot you be persuaded?" (Nesta Webster, World Revolution, 1921, p. 27)

The Illuminati had a hand in every so-called "progressive" movement of the past 200 years. Women, said Weishaupt, were to be enlisted with "hints of emancipation." They "can all be led toward change by vanity, curiosity, sensuality and inclination." (Webster, 29)

William Huntington, an American who had studied in Germany, founded the "Skull and Bones" (Chapter 322 of the Bavarian Illuminati) at Yale University in 1832. The members wore a death's head on their chests and were sworn to secrecy on pain of death. "The Order" became the preserve of the leading New England families, many wealthy from the Opium trade. These include the Whitneys, Tafts, Buckleys, Lowells, Sloans, Coffins, and Harrimans. The Bush family was dependent on these interests.

For over 150 years, "Bonesmen" have run the world from positions in banking, intelligence, media, law and government. Members included Presidential handler Averell Harriman, anti war leader William Sloan Coffin, Time-Life magnate Henry Luce, Truman war secretary Henry Stimson (responsible for dropping the atomic bomb), pseudo conservative William F. Buckley and many more.

(cont)
http://www.henrymakow.com/000166.html

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Wow.

We're doomed.

Is there anyone that WASN'T named in that (for lack of a better term) article?

Nate

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

No doubting the contribution of the US and the USSR in defeating the Axis. But the war was won by the Commonwealth too; the contribution of the Commonwealth nations is too easily forgotten by some.

Stratford, Connecticut, U.S.A.

"The Angel of Okinawa"

Home of the Chance-Vought Corsair, F4U
The best fighter-bomber of World War II

(in reply to warspite1)

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ORIGINAL: Joe D.

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

No doubting the contribution of the US and the USSR in defeating the Axis. But the war was won by the Commonwealth too; the contribution of the Commonwealth nations is too easily forgotten by some.

At least they contributed a bigger gun to the Sherman, but why call it "Firefly"?

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ORIGINAL: Josh

"...As far as why it was called a Firefly is concerned - I have no idea. Anybody?..."

Good question really, no clue  Anybody?? 

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ORIGINAL: SLAAKMAN

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Wow.

We're doomed.

Is there anyone that WASN'T named in that (for lack of a better term) article?

Nate

Squeal!!!

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ORIGINAL: michael1776

I would like to know what the "Great Bismark Debate" centered around? Not to start beating what, for some, is a dead horse.

-MJ

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ORIGINAL: michael1776

I would like to know what the "Great Bismark Debate" centered around? Not to start beating what, for some, is a dead horse.

-MJ

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: michael1776

I would like to know what the "Great Bismark Debate" centered around? Not to start beating what, for some, is a dead horse.

-MJ

Warspite1

It's a long running debate that visits these forums from time to time. Someone says Bismarck is the capital of South Dakota, then someone chimes in with "oh no it isn't, it's North Dakota" - and it all goes downhill from there.