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MIGs!! - 2/26/2012 5:47:45 AM   
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The Soviets had 201 MiG-3s and 37 MiG-1s combat ready on 22 June 1941, only four pilots had been trained to handle these machines.

funny in my first turn i destoryed 575 mig 3 on the ground and in the air so i would say there are too many in the game at start!

source is Operation Barbarossa - Wikipedia




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RE: MIGs!! - 2/26/2012 7:39:00 AM   
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I don't know about the number of MiGs available, but the pilot thing is related to how pilot-and-plane are one and the same in WITE, unlike separate tracking in WITP.

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RE: MIGs!! - 2/26/2012 9:04:53 AM   
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Hello

Maby this is interessting

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On 1 June 1941, 1,029 MIG-3s were on strength, but there were only 494 trained pilots


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-3

and

http://www.rkkaww2.armchairgeneral.com/weapons/Airforce_41.xls

also:

quote:

On 22 June 1941, most MiG-3s and MiG-1s were in the border military districts of the Soviet Union. The Leningrad Military District had 164, 135 were in the Baltic Military District, 233 in the Western Special Military District, 190 in the Kiev Military District and 195 in the Odessa Military District for a total of 917 on hand, of which only 81 were non-operational. An additional 64 MiGs were assigned to Naval Aviation, 38 in the Air Force of the Baltic Fleet and 26 in the Air Force of the Black Sea Fleet.


sources:

"Качественный состав боевых самолетов ВВС западных приграничных военных округов к началу Великой Отечественной войны 1941-1945 гг" (in Russian). Retrieved 2009-09-12.

and

"Качественный состав боевых самолетов авиации Военно-Морского флота на важнейшие даты Великой Отечественной войны 1941-1945 гг" (in Russian). Retrieved 2009-09-12.

Maybe some other sources would be interesting....


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RE: MIGs!! - 2/26/2012 6:07:08 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tigercub

The Soviets had 201 MiG-3s and 37 MiG-1s combat ready on 22 June 1941, only four pilots had been trained to handle these machines.

funny in my first turn i destoryed 575 mig 3 on the ground and in the air so i would say there are too many in the game at start!

source is Operation Barbarossa - Wikipedia






Just some friendly advice. If you find yourself citing your only source as 'Wikipedia' then you might be exposing yourself to inaccurate data and/or some criticism.

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RE: MIGs!! - 2/26/2012 6:22:27 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tigercub
The Soviets had 201 MiG-3s and 37 MiG-1s combat ready on 22 June 1941, only four pilots had been trained to handle these machines.
funny in my first turn i destoryed 575 mig 3 on the ground and in the air so i would say there are too many in the game at start!
source is Operation Barbarossa - Wikipedia


As far as I know, usually Soviet pilots were certified in autumn of each year. MIG was a pretty new plane, there was a very small chance to get a new training certificate by September of 1940. So, all the training from Autumn 1940 until start of the war was not accounted for in certificates, however in reality many pilots were trained well enough and had practiced for 8-9 months. As usual, Soviet statistics is very tricky.

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RE: MIGs!! - 2/26/2012 6:31:42 PM   
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Remember that many Soviet pilots had some good training in the Spanish civil war.


"By a wide margin, pilots were the most numerous and prominent of all Soviet specialists
who served in Spain. The need for so large a contingent at the start of Operation X—in all,
772 pilots who flew some 648 Soviet aircraft—was the result of critical Republican
weaknesses in aviation. The government had managed to retain two-thirds of the
approximately 550 military, naval, and civilian aircraft in Spain at the time of the rebel
uprising."


- Stalin and the Spanish Civil War: Chapter 14

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