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RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, N... - 4/1/2012 8:47:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CarnageINC

I commend you on continuing your game Terje, I didn't quite reach the timeline you did with my Sillyflower game but I couldn't stomach the tromping I got from a well played game by Sillyflower   I shall be watching your AAR, thanks for posting.


I have years of practice in the "taking a beating"-skill from being outplayed in WitP


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RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, N... - 4/1/2012 8:54:26 AM   
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Turn 39

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Paint issues again...

Overall
I believe this song explains how I feel the best klicky
Finally our forces are back to their "normal" CV values, and so are the USSR. As a result we make far more attacks than the USSR this turn, and we have started to push the enemy back again. The main effort now will be on bringing our panzers back from Poland/Germany, as well as rest and refit our units.
The USSR make 15 attacks, scoring 1 held, 9 retreats, 4 routs and 1 shatter, while we make 37 attacks, scoring 5 held, 27 retreats, 4 routs and 1 surrender.

Losses
USSR : 62.000 troops, 1.881 guns, 114 AFVs, 197 AC.
Axis : 49.000 troops, 676 guns, 35 AFVs, 3 AC.

Units lost
The 21st Rumanian Infantry Division shatters.

Units destroyed
The USSR 56th tank brigade surrenders to the Rumanians as it tried to chase down our airfields and HQs on its own.

Pools
Manpower : 85.401
Vehicle : 150.495
Armaments : 194.428
Hiwi : 2

Pest control
5 partisans fall back in the face of our SEC units.

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RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, N... - 4/1/2012 9:26:10 AM   
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Turn 40

Overall
We keep pushing. Most of the USSR armored units have vanished from the front so I estimate a low ammount of losses in terms of AFVs for the USSR from now on. The USSR make 6 attacks, scoring 3 held and 3 retreats. We manage 40 attacks for 8 held, 22 retreats, 8 routs and 2 shatters.
I now need to find a way to rotate my units away from the front and back for some R&R.

Losses
USSR : 97.000 troops, 2.032 guns, 104 AFVs, 336 AC.
Axis : 44.000 troops, 571 guns, 45 AFVs, 20 AC.

Units destroyed
22nd Rifle brigade, 197th Rifle Division both shatters this turn.

Pools
Manpower : 93.088
Vehicle : 153.115
Armaments : 189.008
Hiwi : 2

Pest control
4 partisans are hunted down.







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RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, N... - 4/2/2012 12:46:55 PM   
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Turn 41

Overall
Although the USSR line is breaking up, I have severe doubts. I only have a handful of really usable units. Most of my infantry is totally shredded and is not contributing alot. Not sure how much of an offensive I will be able to mount to be honest.
The USSR make 4 attacks, scoring 3 retreats and 1 rout (all against the Rumanians). We manage 36 attacks, resulting in 1 scouted, 7 held, 21 retreats and 7 routs.
The big question right now is wether I should keep using my panzer divisions to attack and rest my infantry, attack with all or not attack at all and hope to regain some strength before spring.

Losses
USSR : 45.000 troops, 1.303 guns, 47 AFVs, 179 AC.
Axis : 43.000 troops, 527 guns, 63 AFVs, 2 AC.

Units destroyed
614th Army Artillery Brigade.

Pools
Manpower : 98.447
Vehicle : 156.577
Armaments : 186.964
Hiwi : 8

Pest control
7 units are forced to retreat.







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RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, N... - 4/2/2012 1:20:33 PM   
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Much now depends on how you have managed your refit and TOE% settings : You will have to put about 1/3 of your infantry on 50% who will be roughly 4CV by summer, 1/3 on 67% who will get to 5-6CV and your highest morale units on 80% and these guys should get to 7-8 CV depending on morale. Your mechanised divs should be able to get to 80% TOE and achieve 8-10CVs. You should still find plenty of low CV defenders to start your morale building attacks on, and by the end of summer you could add 2 CV points to all your units.

If you haven't been micro-managing this then you will probably be averaging 4-5 CVs across the whole front by May.

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RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, N... - 4/2/2012 1:25:00 PM   
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Try to take 2-3 of your best moral infantry divisions from the line and set them to refit.
Detailed pictures would be helpful.
If you can spare 2-3 panzercorps, some small encirclements in areas with clear ground might be possible. These guys at the Baltic coast really look like they should be captured...

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RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, N... - 4/2/2012 1:45:14 PM   
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These guys at the Baltic coast really look like they should be captured...


Likewise, trapping guys against the Sea of Azov would be handy too.

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RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, N... - 4/3/2012 1:48:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BigAnorak

Much now depends on how you have managed your refit and TOE% settings : You will have to put about 1/3 of your infantry on 50% who will be roughly 4CV by summer, 1/3 on 67% who will get to 5-6CV and your highest morale units on 80% and these guys should get to 7-8 CV depending on morale. Your mechanised divs should be able to get to 80% TOE and achieve 8-10CVs. You should still find plenty of low CV defenders to start your morale building attacks on, and by the end of summer you could add 2 CV points to all your units.

If you haven't been micro-managing this then you will probably be averaging 4-5 CVs across the whole front by May.


Should have some filled out and some mid range as well as some wannabe Rumanians the I hope.


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RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, N... - 4/3/2012 1:49:38 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Blubel

Try to take 2-3 of your best moral infantry divisions from the line and set them to refit.
Detailed pictures would be helpful.
If you can spare 2-3 panzercorps, some small encirclements in areas with clear ground might be possible. These guys at the Baltic coast really look like they should be captured...


Problem is that due to the low CV of my Inf I think I might need to focus my panzers in one area, but will keep looking at the logistics as well as available (usable) forces.


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RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, N... - 4/3/2012 1:49:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BigAnorak

quote:

These guys at the Baltic coast really look like they should be captured...


Likewise, trapping guys against the Sea of Azov would be handy too.



See below


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RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, N... - 4/3/2012 1:54:02 PM   
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Turn 42

Overall
Mud arrives, and pretty much everything comes to a halt. Both sides make a few attacks, the USSR scoring 3 retreats with their 3 attacks, while we make 8 attacks for 3 held, 4 retreat and 1 rout. The rail capacity is being used to its max potential as we bring full strength units to the front, and move some battered infantry back west for some rest. The offensives we will launch will be small I think. We will try to trap as many units as we can, but I doubt we have the force to make any real headway east.

Losses
USSR : 10.000 troops, 267 guns, 0 AFVs, 203 AC.
Axis : 40.000 troops, 394 guns, 26 AFVs, 8 AC.

Pools
Manpower : 100.349
Vehicle : 158.506
Armaments : 147.958
Hiwi : 2

Pest control
5 more partisans flee this turn.







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RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, N... - 4/3/2012 2:09:04 PM   
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Hey Terje,

I think you are right and attacking in the southern area is the best way to go. You must try to throw him behind the dnepr and establishing a good defense there. Otherwise maybe he will try to knockout your southern allies in 1943.
I would use one Panzer Army as reserve for AGN and AGC to prevent breakthroughs there. All elite Inf divs and the other Panzer Armies I would sent to the south.

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RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, N... - 4/6/2012 1:13:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sj80

Hey Terje,

I think you are right and attacking in the southern area is the best way to go. You must try to throw him behind the dnepr and establishing a good defense there. Otherwise maybe he will try to knockout your southern allies in 1943.
I would use one Panzer Army as reserve for AGN and AGC to prevent breakthroughs there. All elite Inf divs and the other Panzer Armies I would sent to the south.

sj80


I am currently planning on using 1 enlarged panzer corps in the south, I think it should have enough force for the job. Elite infantry...yes...erm...there are none at the moment


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RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, N... - 4/6/2012 1:15:59 PM   
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Turn 43

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Just off work, about to go to bed, so no picture as this turn is "done in haste".

Overall
The mud slows down the number of attacks being made, nevertheless we manage a total of 9, scoring 2 held, 5 retreat and 2 rout. The USSR make none.

Losses
USSR : 46.000 troops, 611 guns, 12 AFVs, 109 AC.
Axis : 28.000 troops, 166 guns, 31 AFVs, 33 AC.

Pools
Manpower : 105.684
Vehicle : 155.033
Armaments : 156.101
Hiwi : 5

Pest control
A new high tide for partisans as we chase away no less than 10 partisan units this turn.

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RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, N... - 4/7/2012 11:50:45 AM   
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Turn 44

Overall
With mud still in play we do not make much headway. As a matter of fact, the total ammount of conquered territory is one hex...We make 6 attacks, causing 1 held and 5 retreats. Losses are light on both sides. We are waiting for the ground to get solid, then we will release our panzers. At the moment the most time consuming thing on the agenda is rotating out infantry units so they can be refitted.

Losses
USSR : 7.000 troops (???), 217 guns, 0 AFVs, 24 AC.
Axis : 24.000 troops, 169 guns, 30 AFVs, 2 AC.

Pools
Manpower : 110.076
Vehicle : 157.069
Armaments : 176.634
Hiwi : 0

Pest control
4 partisans are chased away this turn.







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RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, N... - 4/7/2012 2:29:51 PM   
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Hey terje,
maybe I was a little bit too optimistic about the current state of your forces. Manstein mentioned in his book that the mid-war operations (Fall Blau, Unternehmen Zitadelle) could have been successful if Hitler only shifts more troops to that major battle spots and has thinned out the "static" front lines. Maybe we should listen to Manstein and shift every available unit to our battle spots on 1942 and later.
For example you can shorten your lines and free more units very good when giving up the area around Talin.

In my game against glvaca we have now entered the blizzard and he is really kicking me around. He is using the zoc locking everywhere. My poor Wehrmacht. So I can feel and share your pain.

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RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, N... - 4/7/2012 5:25:11 PM   
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Hey terje,
maybe I was a little bit too optimistic about the current state of your forces. Manstein mentioned in his book that the mid-war operations (Fall Blau, Unternehmen Zitadelle) could have been successful if Hitler only shifts more troops to that major battle spots and has thinned out the "static" front lines. Maybe we should listen to Manstein and shift every available unit to our battle spots on 1942 and later.
For example you can shorten your lines and free more units very good when giving up the area around Talin.

In my game against glvaca we have now entered the blizzard and he is really kicking me around. He is using the zoc locking everywhere. My poor Wehrmacht. So I can feel and share your pain.

sj80



hehe yeah pain is the right word
Will have another go across the map to see what I can conjure up for the offensive in the south.

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RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, N... - 4/7/2012 5:55:34 PM   
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Turn 45

Overall
Mud still. We make 4 attacks, and score 1 held and 3 retreats. The rotating of units is still going on, alot of units are still in need of R&R, but thew situation is improving slowly.

Losses
USSR : 38.000 troops, 365 guns, 7 AFVs, 77 AC.
Axis : 23.000 troops, 143 guns, 24 AFVs, 2 AC.

Pools
Manpower : 115.777
Vehicle : 157.525
Armaments : 195.400
Hiwi : 2

In other words, my reserve personell can each be given 1.4 vehicle and 1.9 gun

Pest control
8 partisan units are hunted down. Some were just out of reach and remain on the map.







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RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, N... - 4/7/2012 11:54:40 PM   
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You don't seem to be adjusting your Max. TOE%. This really helps to focus your men where they will do the most good - in higher morale units, or units that will increase morale from attacking. Your manpower is insufficient to get all your infantry back to full strength.

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RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, N... - 4/8/2012 9:36:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BigAnorak

You don't seem to be adjusting your Max. TOE%. This really helps to focus your men where they will do the most good - in higher morale units, or units that will increase morale from attacking. Your manpower is insufficient to get all your infantry back to full strength.


Not sure you are right, my manpower pool keeps rising despite the fact that my units are filling out. Been using refit to channel equipment and manpower into the most vital units first.
How big would the Wehrmacht be if their divisions were all filled out? But will heed your advice and lower TOE on some on them.

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RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, N... - 4/8/2012 9:41:56 AM   
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Turn 46

Overall
Mud is still here, so we are only able to make 3 attacks, scoring 3 retreats. Apart from that there is nothing worth noting, apart from the fact that I must have missed some patch notes. Seems fortified zones no longer keeps the fort level in a hex from decaying. Which again means that all my nice level 2 fort hexes are now down to level 1.
Also worth taking a look at is the OOB. Yikes that is a lot of communists!!!

Losses
USSR : 36.000 troops, 287 guns, 5 AFVs, 64 AC.
Axis : 24.000 troops, 136 guns, 22 AFVs, 4 AC.

Pools
Manpower : 120.686
Vehicle : 158.401
Armaments : 213.498
Hiwi : 5

Pest control
We hunt down 4 of those annoying partisans and force them to retreat.







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RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, N... - 4/9/2012 2:24:59 AM   
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Well you are correct,that is one heck of a horde of Bolsheviks you have cornered there T! Too bad you don't have Guderian driving one of your panzer armies,having him at AG level might not be the best use for him.

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RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, N... - 4/9/2012 8:33:29 AM   
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Well you are correct,that is one heck of a horde of Bolsheviks you have cornered there T! Too bad you don't have Guderian driving one of your panzer armies,having him at AG level might not be the best use for him.


Hmm might be that Guderian is better used in an army and not an AG, not sure what the concensus is on that.
Hmmm cornered? If only


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RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, N... - 4/9/2012 8:38:29 AM   
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Turn 47

Overall
The ground is finally solid, and we launch as many attacks as possible, ending at a total of 33, which scores 4 helds, 26 retreats and 3 routs. As expected, the USSR defences are deep and rather well dug in. Combine that with the fact that most USSR units now retreat instead of routing, we get into a position where we face harder resistance the deeper we get. I fear this offensive is going to be a grinder.

Losses
USSR : 79.000 troops, 1.325 guns, 112 AFVs, 293 AC.
Axis : 32.000 troops, 431 guns, 83 AFVs, 16 AC.

Units destroyed
Not much, but we do shatter a guards howitzer regiment. Better than nothing in the opening phase of the -42 offensive.

Pools
Manpower : 126.122
Vehicle : 164.032
Armaments : 228.640
Hiwi : 7

Pest control
6 partisans are chased down.







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RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, N... - 4/10/2012 4:50:21 AM   
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You are not necessarily doomed to lose by mid 1943. Even though you face a large enemy it still isn't high quality and there will be quite a bit of time before you face an avalanche of attacks where your lines fall in.

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RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, N... - 4/10/2012 6:14:24 PM   
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You are not necessarily doomed to lose by mid 1943. Even though you face a large enemy it still isn't high quality and there will be quite a bit of time before you face an avalanche of attacks where your lines fall in.


Nah I still claim mid -43, that way anything past that is an achivement

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RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, N... - 4/10/2012 6:17:23 PM   
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Turn 48

Overall
Mud again, and since the lowest CV we face is 6, there is no way we can make any attack that will have any decent chance of success. In the south, the USSR pulls back, and our wary troops, slowly try to mount a persuit, they do not do too well...

Losses
USSR : 35.000 troops, 292 guns, 2 AFVs, 140 AC.
Axis : 23.000 troops, 62 guns, 32 AFVs, 32 AC.

Pools
Manpower : 132.484
Vehicles : 166.794
Armaments : 242.521
Hiwi : 6

Pest control
5 annoying units are forced to retreat.







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RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, N... - 4/11/2012 5:59:10 PM   
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Turn 49

Overall
The main problem right now is the low CV of most of our infantry. This prevents us from making more attacks than we currently do. The good news is that an average of 3 divisions are back to full strength each turn, allowing us to slowly grow in CV along the front. We manage to trap a few units this turn, nothing major, but a few stacks here and there. All in all we manage 25 attacks, scoring 5 held, 18 retreats and 2 routs.

Losses
USSR : 68.000 troops, 1.120 guns, 20 AFVs, 286 AC.
Axis : 32.000 troops, 408 guns, 130 AFVs, 7 AC.

Pools
Manpower : 140.641
Vehicle : 172.108
Armaments : 257.043
Hiwi : 2

Pest Control
6 new partisans show up and are promptly adressed.








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RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, N... - 4/11/2012 8:13:17 PM   
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Did you adjust your % of replacements to various divisions as was suggested?

Picture kinda zoomed-out and can't get a good handle on those drives you are mounting. Are you planning to pinch in and make it look like you are trying for envelopment's?

Are you still planning the major push for 42' in the south?

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RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, N... - 4/12/2012 5:33:56 PM   
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1. Did you adjust your % of replacements to various divisions as was suggested?

2. Picture kinda zoomed-out and can't get a good handle on those drives you are mounting. Are you planning to pinch in and make it look like you are trying for envelopment's?

3. Are you still planning the major push for 42' in the south?


1. Yes, the divisions with the lowest morale has had their TOE reduced, will try to get as many as possible back to strength, but will focus on my best units as suggested.

2. Big scale encirclements failed in -41, no way I can make them happen in -42, so the plan is to push where I can so that the USSR cannot focus their troops in one specific location, but instead have to spread out. I then hope to form more "mini pockets" to reduce the ammount of USSR troops.

3. I think that is the only viable option, the big plan is to try to seize the Donets, and put pressure on Leningrad as well, should both flanks succeed I will have to re-evaluate, but I doubt Leningrad will fall...


Terje

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