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RE: CASE YELLOW WHAT IF ? - 2/26/2012 10:01:09 AM   
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June 4 Rain. One more infantry for the french. 6 aps per turn so 60 more for the next ten turns so 6 more infantry that I can expect. I will ask my opponent what cards he is playing.

Lilles has fallen...Reims is attacked





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RE: CASE YELLOW WHAT IF ? - 2/26/2012 10:04:25 AM   
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June 4 BEF sector






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RE: CASE YELLOW WHAT IF ? - 2/26/2012 10:05:57 AM   
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June 5 Rain again one more infantry
Arras has fallen.

I did look at the history report (Because my lack of time, I don't do it allways). I saw that 55 german planes have been destroyed mostly when attacking the british. (5 DO 17, 10 BF 110c, 25 BF 109e, 15 Ju 87b)





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RE: CASE YELLOW WHAT IF ? - 2/26/2012 10:10:35 AM   
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June 5 Somua for ever

I red a book about the battle of France (battle of Frane day by day by Dominique Lormier) and clearly those heavy Somua gave a hard time to the germans that had not the guns to penetrate their armor.






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RE: CASE YELLOW WHAT IF ? - 2/26/2012 10:13:28 AM   
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RE: CASE YELLOW WHAT IF ? - 2/27/2012 7:33:40 AM   
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you played a great game denying major breakthroughs and conducting bloody counterattacks. i just wondered if the british couldn t have done more like your french armored forces? or did the british face more german armor?

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RE: CASE YELLOW WHAT IF ? - 2/27/2012 8:30:09 PM   
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Keunert, British did counter attack successfuly once with the 2nd tank division if I remember correctly (south of Brussel, around the 2Oth. After that, I never had another opportunity (Most of the time the BEF had to retreat and my tanks were not at the right place or did not have enough aps to launch an attack). I hope I can get my remaining tanks do another counter attack.

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RE: CASE YELLOW WHAT IF ? - 3/2/2012 1:47:42 PM   
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June 6. A lot of attacks from both sides. Very costly in men. Something to follow too, the air war.




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RE: CASE YELLOW WHAT IF ? - 3/2/2012 1:49:16 PM   
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June 6. Lord Gort has to take a decision




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RE: CASE YELLOW WHAT IF ? - 3/2/2012 1:50:37 PM   
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RE: CASE YELLOW WHAT IF ? - 3/2/2012 1:51:41 PM   
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RE: CASE YELLOW WHAT IF ? - 3/2/2012 1:53:28 PM   
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June 7. The pressure is on the BEF.




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RE: CASE YELLOW WHAT IF ? - 3/2/2012 1:55:33 PM   
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7 June. Another attempt to push back a crossing made by the germans





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RE: CASE YELLOW WHAT IF ? - 3/2/2012 1:56:56 PM   
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7 June, BEF sector under the rain





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RE: CASE YELLOW WHAT IF ? - 3/2/2012 2:01:41 PM   
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June 8 and 9.
The french strengthen their offensive near Reims. The Somua even move out of the suburb. (Forgot to do a sceenshot). Germans are in trouble there.
Two more infantry have been sent to La Marne.
The 9th, around 100 german planes are down (60 DO-17)
Dunkerke has not fallen after three days of assault.





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RE: CASE YELLOW WHAT IF ? - 3/10/2012 8:28:45 AM   
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June 15
I won't write about the last five days, reporting what happend each day because what should have been a tight game until the end did not occur. The german army has simply collapse...
My opponent Ian and I are rugby fan. Our game should have looked like the Scotland-France played two weeks ago but we have found out that Ian did the mistake to not move is army group HQs at all and by the end of the game, all the german army was runing out of supply...It is like asking a rugby team to win and score the final strike without giving them wather the last 25 minutes of the game !




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RE: CASE YELLOW WHAT IF ? - 3/10/2012 8:35:42 AM   
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The germans could have win this game if they had not encounter this huge problem of supply. Three more VPs...Reims would have fall and probably two more citys...Still, the germans will have suffer more than 22 % of losses...
Ian and I talked about the game and the mistakes we did. It has been vey enjoyable and exciting.






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RE: CASE YELLOW WHAT IF ? - 3/10/2012 8:39:17 AM   
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We will analyse more deeply have happend. I found the game very "realistic" but something bother me. The luftwaffe lost the air war...the 10th of June there were more french fighters than germans'ones...is that realistic ?





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RE: CASE YELLOW WHAT IF ? - 3/10/2012 8:40:43 AM   
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supply : Here are three screenshots.





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RE: CASE YELLOW WHAT IF ? - 3/10/2012 8:42:36 AM   
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Supply : The 6th army is far from his command HQ but in the green zone or we see here that the 6th army HQ is unable to provide the supply far enough




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RE: CASE YELLOW WHAT IF ? - 3/10/2012 8:51:18 AM   
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Supply : Here is the result. Panzers out of fuel.
The germans should be unstoppable in this scenario. This has been a month of war and I think that some days you have to consider to cease the offensive just to reorganise the units, give them some rest if needed. Like in the real war. We have gamers the habbit of attacking without interruption or our troops need some rest sometimes !.





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RE: CASE YELLOW WHAT IF ? - 3/11/2012 1:30:00 PM   
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Hi all

Olivier has asked me to post my thoughts on the game from a German perspective. The scenario we chose was no Dyle plan and extra BEF divisions and 300 Spitfires. To balance the game the Germans were given extra days to complete their task. I had decided to try and destroy as many Dutch units as possible without enduring to many casualties rather than try and capture VPs. This worked well and they capitulated quickly with only 1% German casualties. I attempted to do this with the Belgians which was not as easy: they were better prepared and had dug in. I had decided not to assault Brussels but bypass it. I knew that it would eventually fall without wasting many Germans lives on it. I decided to push hard in the south near Reims which caught Olivier unawares, but all my mobile units were concentrated in the centre (a mistake as when I pushed him back I did not have fast moving units to capitilise and the French had many tank units in that area to defend. I held back attacking the BEF in the centre because I was using my air support to attack further south and I was aware that the BEF artillery could do a lot of damage without being under attack from my luftwaffe. Everything was going reasonably well however I made the dreadful mistake of not moving my main HQs forward along with the army HQs and Corp HQs. Of course the whole army became low on supply and lost efficiency. What was an exciting game for both of us with only 3 VPs to capture went a bit flat when the Germans were incapable of making any headway. As always it is a game of what-ifs. Olivier had made the mistake of not having his airforce set to interdict so the Luftwaffe were bombing with impunity. How different could it have been if the Spitfires and French fighters were in the air earlier in the battle. My own thoughts are that the Germans really needed to make a major breakthrough immediately after the Belgians surrendered. Not an easy task with Olivier at his defensive best. My reason for this assumption is that when the allies were pushed back further into France the frontage they had to defend narrowed, and the nearer they were to supplies and fresh troops. (They received regular fresh divisions from Paris which could be moved quickly into place). If the Germans had normal supply it is possible that the BEF could have collapsed in the last week. Perhaps we will have to have a rematch to see if the result would be different.

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RE: CASE YELLOW WHAT IF ? - 3/11/2012 4:15:46 PM   
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thank you two for a great game and a very enjoyable aar.
Olivier again stopped a german player. makes me almost want to challenge him on this scenario.

pm me if you are interested.

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RE: CASE YELLOW WHAT IF ? - 3/12/2012 3:08:16 PM   
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Thanks to Kolinsky. I had a great time defending my home country ! Keunert, I would be pleased to defend it again against you this time. Don't know if you want to play a variant. I would like the variant "900 Somuas have been built in 1938 and are at the disposal of the french army" and the one "The Maginot line has reach the Channel"


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RE: CASE YELLOW WHAT IF ? - 3/12/2012 3:46:39 PM   
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if i can take the italian attack variant plus the tiger is built in 1940' variant. i will look at it and send you a pm later today.
you have made a great game.

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RE: CASE YELLOW WHAT IF ? - 3/13/2012 3:11:56 AM   
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Wonderful work to both players.

I think the scenario provides a really interesting glimpse of possibility. Maybe if the Dyle Plan had been avoided and the French acted as you led them here, the front could have remained stable...

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