From: De Eye-lands, Mon
ORIGINAL: mike scholl 1
I think JWE is more on target as the 'cruisers' would be more like the Panzerschiffs, specifically made to raid with not a lot of staying power versus anything that could effectively shoot back.
I think it depends on what navy you are talking about. The Panzerschiffs were designed from the ground up as commerce raiders. Not a role the Royal Navy had much need for. Undoubtedly cruisers would have gotten larger without the 10,000 ton limit (most Axis CA's got larger even with it), but "bigger for the sake of bigger" is more or less self-defeating. The more resources you tie up in each individual unit the fewer units you can afford overall..., and as the Battle of the River Plate showed the real answer to "bigger" is "more".
But what would the ship be which could take down a panzerschiffe...
If you speculate a battle cruiser, how many do you have to build to protect enough shipping lanes to support the economy, and what does this take out of battleship construction.
Mike Scholl does have a point, but he's looking at things from a future perspective. In a rational what-if, one must think in terms of a 1920s perspective, going forward.
@Shark; 'Cruisers' are cruisers; Mission for 'cruisers' compels a moderate sized vessel with long legs and sufficient gun power to be a flotilla leader or provide local protection for trade, as well as doing tactical Fleet scouting. There's some really nasty algorithms for deciding whether they are 6" or 8", but my money's on the 6", for a number of reasons.
Big (heavy) cruisers are a different story. Everybody knew what everybody else was doing, so if anybody came up with a gnarly gun cruiser, somebody would counter, and the paradigm would eventuate into a Panzerschiff model.
@Mike Scholl; Not to say that panzerschiffe were great, just that the model was rational, off a blank slate. If someone could come up with a "raiding/hunting" cruiser, in the non-treaty world, wouldn't someone else come up with a "raider/killer" design? I think so. Thus, I believe that a non-treaty world would eventuate "heavy" cruisers as large, high endurance, moderately armored, moderately big gunned, 'hunter/killer' vessels. I would spend some money to develop high-velocity, long-range, capability.
But that's just me.
[ed] it would be kinda fun to give two sides the same number of shekels and see how they can invest it: guns, ships, R&D, you know... think you would be surprised. Wouldn't mind being First Lord of somewhere in a situation like that.
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