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Betrayal: The story of a Vlasov's Second Shock Army - 2/5/2012 10:09:59 PM   
schmolywar

 

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Off topic ish, but I think people in here will find the full subtitled documentary "Vlasov's Second Shock Army" interesting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dijJxq04s5w&feature=g-all-u&context=G26d4a0fFAAAAAAAASAA

They introduce Voroshilov about three times in there (check the youtube comments for the times) and each time its gets funnier.

I want the same musical score whenever I change a general ingame!

There also the doc "Rzhev: General Zhukov's Unknown Battle" available from the same uploader:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ur83MLafhlU&feature=relmfu

< Message edited by schmolywar -- 2/6/2012 2:53:57 AM >


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"The Russian advance over this hastily improvised road, constructed with the aid of the most primitive facilities, was, for a time,accompanied by the strains of band music.".

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RE: Betrayal: The story of a Vlasov's Second Shock Army - 2/6/2012 1:57:17 AM   
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Pretty interesting. Is almost like STAVKA had a throw-away mentality in regards to supplying their own formations as in, once their formations are put into the field, little or no effort went into delivery of supplies. Made references through-out how much better supplied German formations were even as far as misquito netting.

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RE: Betrayal: The story of a Vlasov's Second Shock Army - 2/6/2012 2:14:09 AM   
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I suspect this throw away mentality is somewhat ingrained in russian military culture, even today. The new years assault of Grozny in 94 comes to mind. Pavel Grachev can be likened to the STAVKA mentality of the past with his promise to swiftly crush the Chechen separatist forces "in a couple of hours with a single airborne regiment."

He was rumoured to launch the disastrous storming of Grozny while drunk during the celebrations of his January 1 birthday.[5] As TIME commented in 1995: "Grachev had remarked recently that only an 'incompetent commander' would order tanks into the streets of central Grozny, where they would be vulnerable (...) Yet at the end of December he did it."[6] Eventually, in July 1996, Yeltsin sacked the disgraced Grachev following his 1996 re-election. The war soon ended in a Russian defeat, with hundreds of thousands of military and civilian casualties.


I guess history repeats itself. Here we again see incompetent commanders and the higher leadership looking for scapegoats. Disgraced generals were dime a dozen during the chechen wars.

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RE: Betrayal: The story of a Vlasov's Second Shock Army - 2/6/2012 2:39:35 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: schmolywar


They introduce Voroshilov about three times in there (check the youtube comments for the times) and each time its gets funnier.

I want a the same musical score whenever I change a general ingame!





Sounds like this one.
Farewell of Slavianka

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOYmRKmMUa4&feature=related

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