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ORIGINAL: CT Grognard

I estimate that, had GreyJoy's full potentially available CAP of 1183 fighters engaged the first raid, about 90% of the Graces and all of the Judies would have been shot down or damaged prior to the attack run.

The remaining Graces would probably have scored about 5 torpedo hits.

But, only just over 40% of the available CAP actually engaged and as a consequence the TF took 31 torpedo and 3 bomb hits in that first attack.

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ORIGINAL: CT Grognard

What I do find interesting is how understated the Japanese aircraft losses were in the combat report that GreyJoy saw - 46 (as opposed to the actual 145).

That's quite a serious fog of war - but surely it's in the wrong direction? Surely historically fighter jocks OVERCLAIMED air-to-air kills?

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ORIGINAL: CT Grognard


But the campaign is far from over, GreyJoy, so, in the words of Di Falco: "Vada a bordo, cazzo!"

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ORIGINAL: CT Grognard

Interesting.

So only 509 Allied fighters managed to eventually engage the main strike - or 43% of the total fighters theoretically able to contest the raid.

This against a Japanese force numbering 474 fighters and 269 bombers. Only 444 (60%) of the Japanese aircraft were engaged by the Allied CAP, but higher levels of the bombers were engaged (75% of the Graces and 74% of the Judies, as opposed to on average 47% of the Japanese fighters).

The Allied CAP shot down 34% of the Graces and 48% of the Judies they actually engaged.

Just over 21% of the Japanese fighters engaged by the CAP were shot down. Let's simplistically assume half the Allied CAP went for the bombers and half went for the escorts, you had then 254 Allied fighters engaging 241 Japanese fighters. The Allied fighters suffered only 2.8% losses, or 7 fighters to 51.

Let's assume the bombers damaged by the CAP on approach turned away from their attacks. Therefore this left 140 Graces and 16 Judies for an attack run on the Allied carriers. Of these, 15 Graces (10.7%) and 6 Judies (38%) were shot down by flak. This (simplistically) left 125 Graces and 10 Judies to attack. 31 of the Judies (25%) scored torpedo hits and 3 of the Judies (30%) scored bomb hits.

One could well therefore argue that the Allied flak was nowhere near as effective as it should have been.

In the next attack that really turned the screws in, most of the Allied CAP was out of place having contested the initial raid, and you had 208 Allied fighters (or 18% of the total fighters theoretically able to contest the raid) engaging 93 Japanese aircraft.

In this raid, the Allied fighters shot down 58% of the Jills and 44% of the fighters they engaged.

This left 28 Jills for the attack run - 2 (7%) were shot down by flak. The remaining 26 then scored 11 torpedo hits (42%).

The actual story here is of a first raid consisting of 509 Allied fighters contesting 743 Japanese aircraft (including a very strong Japanese fighter escort), in heavy cloud. The Allied fighters shot down 130 aircraft for the loss of only 7. No problem here.

In the second raid, 208 Allied fighters engaged 93 Japanese aircraft, again in heavy cloud (albeit this time with not such a strong fighter escort). The Allied fighters shot down 50 aircraft for the loss of only one. Again, no problem here.

I think, if anything, what can be complained about by Allied players is how ineffective the Allied flak was against the bombers that managed to get through the CAP.

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ORIGINAL: CT Grognard

Interesting.

So only 509 Allied fighters managed to eventually engage the main strike - or 43% of the total fighters theoretically able to contest the raid.

This against a Japanese force numbering 474 fighters and 269 bombers. Only 444 (60%) of the Japanese aircraft were engaged by the Allied CAP, but higher levels of the bombers were engaged (75% of the Graces and 74% of the Judies, as opposed to on average 47% of the Japanese fighters).

The Allied CAP shot down 34% of the Graces and 48% of the Judies they actually engaged.

Just over 21% of the Japanese fighters engaged by the CAP were shot down. Let's simplistically assume half the Allied CAP went for the bombers and half went for the escorts, you had then 254 Allied fighters engaging 241 Japanese fighters. The Allied fighters suffered only 2.8% losses, or 7 fighters to 51.

Let's assume the bombers damaged by the CAP on approach turned away from their attacks. Therefore this left 140 Graces and 16 Judies for an attack run on the Allied carriers. Of these, 15 Graces (10.7%) and 6 Judies (38%) were shot down by flak. This (simplistically) left 125 Graces and 10 Judies to attack. 31 of the Judies (25%) scored torpedo hits and 3 of the Judies (30%) scored bomb hits.

One could well therefore argue that the Allied flak was nowhere near as effective as it should have been.

In the next attack that really turned the screws in, most of the Allied CAP was out of place having contested the initial raid, and you had 208 Allied fighters (or 18% of the total fighter
In this raid, the Allied fighters shot down 58% of the Jills and 44% of the fighters they engaged. s theoretically able to contest the raid) engaging 93 Japanese aircraft.


This left 28 Jills for the attack run - 2 (7%) were shot down by flak. The remaining 26 then scored 11 torpedo hits (42%).

The actual story here is of a first raid consisting of 509 Allied fighters contesting 743 Japanese aircraft (including a very strong Japanese fighter escort), in heavy cloud. The Allied fighters shot down 130 aircraft for the loss of only 7. No problem here.

In the second raid, 208 Allied fighters engaged 93 Japanese aircraft, again in heavy cloud (albeit this time with not such a strong fighter escort). The Allied fighters shot down 50 aircraft for the loss of only one. Again, no problem here.

I think, if anything, what can be complained about by Allied players is how ineffective the Allied flak was against the bombers that managed to get through the CAP.