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RE: 'Third Reich 1942-1945' - Your thoughts? - 1/30/2012 10:39:56 PM   
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Also a computer game from the 1990's. I've got it fired up on my W98 machine



Lucky you! I've heard it indeed requires a W98 setup and will not run on XP or newer. Is it so?

I recall playing "Nato Commander" over Commodore 64.



Maybe I should check whether is is still available for my CBM64 emulator for PC .

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Agreed. I think one of the graphics modders made some tiles that were similar. Maybe if they come across this thread they can send me what they have and we can see how it looks. Of course, the mechanics are very different between 3R and TOAW, but I think we are talking about the possibility of a similar scale and unit count, followed by whatever else we can make similar, and end up with a non-monster that is Risk-like. BRP's and Exploitation seem unatainable, as well as Naval aspects.


I agree if it is a RISK we end up with it is not worth the effort.

Then again, BRP's have to do with reinforcements (if looked simply at), that can be somehow controlled, based on certain events? Mike's 1942-1945 mentions the effect of bombing for an example? Exploitation I could replace with the TOAW game mechanics. Naval aspects have to do again with being able to supply remote areas as the African Theatre of War, also whether one feels if it is possible to risk invasion to England. Some rules / events could perhaps be used here as well.

And, while the map you pictured has the exact same scale as TR, it could easily be e.g. three times bigger and still be not a particularly large. Then, a total of some 600 units made available to players, and perhaps we would be ending up with somthing that is more TR and less RISK.


Like Retro stuff? Check out my 'homage' to SSG's 80s clasics and tribute to Roger Keating (RIP). Visit the Gefechtsstand!

https://gefechtsstand.wordpress.com/2011/02/23/luftflotte-5-is-ready/

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RE: 'Third Reich 1942-1945' - Your thoughts? - 1/31/2012 11:34:30 AM   
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Like Retro stuff?



Heh, who doesn't? Thanks for the tutorial and scenarios available at your site! I am going through them and doing my best to earn a transfer to Eastern Front (now there's first to everything?) in time Mr Panzer Abteilung ships his new TR scenario

Governato's Eastern Front 1941-1945 looks like a blast as well. Oh well. So little time, so many battles to fight...

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RE: 'Third Reich 1942-1945' - Your thoughts? - 2/4/2012 2:01:11 PM   
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I've made a couple of 50km/hex scenarios covering Barbarossa (Soviet Union 1941) and the final year (Germany 1945).


Found them !!!

With GJK:s map mod:


"Advanced Third Reich 1941 scenario"



"Advanced Third Reich 1945 scenario"





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RE: 'Third Reich 1942-1945' - Your thoughts? - 2/4/2012 2:06:26 PM   
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I compressed the pics too much, the sc prints look like cr@p... In reality they are very much like the TR boardgame pictured in the OP.

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RE: 'Third Reich 1942-1945' - Your thoughts? - 2/4/2012 5:20:38 PM   
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Yes it does look nice. But to get the movement allowances to work out I added 'cropland' to all the open hexes, which kind of buggers up the cleaness. The placenames should probably be changed to black, and maybe the fonts tinkered with to get them to look like Third Reich. If anyone has that stuff figured out, feel free to send it my way.




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RE: 'Third Reich 1942-1945' - Your thoughts? - 2/4/2012 6:08:37 PM   
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I compressed the pics too much, the sc prints look like cr@p... In reality they are very much like the TR boardgame pictured in the OP.


Here's my own screenshot of Soviet Union 1941:




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RE: 'Third Reich 1942-1945' - Your thoughts? - 2/4/2012 6:09:36 PM   
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And of Germany 1945:




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RE: 'Third Reich 1942-1945' - Your thoughts? - 2/5/2012 9:00:38 AM   
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@ sPzAbt653

I really like where you are going with that scenario! The scale although I guess not officially supported nevertheless brings a new level not available anywhere else. Being able to easily capture the whole ETA including Med will be really nice.

I like the look of the UK, now clearly an island. I assume the contemporary Brits themselves do not mind if some extra miles separate them now from Continental Europe

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RE: 'Third Reich 1942-1945' - Your thoughts? - 3/10/2012 6:40:06 AM   
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France and Britain are in.




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RE: 'Third Reich 1942-1945' - Your thoughts? - 3/10/2012 6:40:49 AM   
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The Russkies too !




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RE: 'Third Reich 1942-1945' - Your thoughts? - 3/11/2012 8:04:22 AM   
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Yay! :)

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RE: 'Third Reich 1942-1945' - Your thoughts? - 4/2/2012 3:04:19 PM   
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I didn't see it mentioned so I'll throw this out there...

There's an old program called Aide de Camp by HPS Simulations. It basically lets you design (or re-create) any board game (board, units, graphics, playing aides). Of course there's no AI and you'll have to apply your own rules but I believe it's playable by PBEM. Back in the day there was a lot of support for it so someone may have already created a 3R gameset.

I haven't fired up this program in 10 years and was amazed to see that it runs on Win 7.






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RE: 'Third Reich 1942-1945' - Your thoughts? - 4/2/2012 5:10:52 PM   
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Aide de Camp is not freeware afaik. There are some free alternatives around like Cyberboard, Vassal and Zun Tzu. All these have hundreds of gameboxes incl. all 3rdR incarnations. Vassal and Zun Tzu allow also online gaming in real time (Zun Tzu has chat build in)while all three allow PbEM gaming :)

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RE: 'Third Reich 1942-1945' - Your thoughts? - 6/8/2012 8:20:02 PM   
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The Russkies too !





Any news on this?

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RE: 'Third Reich 1942-1945' - Your thoughts? - 6/8/2012 9:58:27 PM   
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Hi Crossroads !

Hardrive failure at the end of March has set me back. I'm working on several projects for the 3.5 release, and I had to spend weeks working on stuff for those. One of the things I did have backed up was the 3R scenario, so I'm still able to work on it, but its very event heavy and tedious. I did lose the graphics file, if anybody knows what it was, do tell, thanks!

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RE: 'Third Reich 1942-1945' - Your thoughts? - 6/8/2012 11:38:06 PM   
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Wow. Not seen Third Reich in ages. Same with ADC. Checked the HPS site and they still sell it for $50.


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Hi Crossroads !

Hardrive failure at the end of March has set me back. I'm working on several projects for the 3.5 release, and I had to spend weeks working on stuff for those. One of the things I did have backed up was the 3R scenario, so I'm still able to work on it, but its very event heavy and tedious. I did lose the graphics file, if anybody knows what it was, do tell, thanks!


This begs a question. I assume you are testing 3.5, otherwise how could you make scenarios for it and have them properly tested for release, eh? What about the saps who are not 'on the inside'? I'm guessing there will be a public test like last time but still, there isn't nearly as much time as alloted the testers. Seems kind of lopsided. Heck, they don't even know what's going on with it.

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RE: 'Third Reich 1942-1945' - Your thoughts? - 6/9/2012 6:41:30 AM   
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What about the saps who are not 'on the inside'?


I can only speak for myself. I was asked to put together test scenarios and to test aspects of ongoing changes. Its no fun, and I'm certainly not on the inside. But it does give me the chance to work on scenarios I have in progress, and if time allows to update the completed ones.

Its been said before but I'll say it again, when the Beta v3.5 is actually working to the satisfaction of those that are on the inside, it will be posted here for everybody to crack into. It won't be released officially until that full test passes. Time is an issue for everybody. Nobody is holding up the release because someones scenario isn't ready.

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RE: 'Third Reich 1942-1945' - Your thoughts? - 6/9/2012 8:18:17 AM   
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Thanks for the update - exciting news regardless I am sure !!

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RE: 'Third Reich 1942-1945' - Your thoughts? - 8/8/2012 7:48:07 PM   
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Any news on your work for this new scenario? :)

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RE: 'Third Reich 1942-1945' - Your thoughts? - 8/9/2012 5:41:21 AM   
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Well, I made a bit of a mistake when I started working on this, in that I used 3.5 to put it together (I had no idea that 3.5 would take this long). If I had done it with 3.4, I could have posted it already.

It might be possible to import the separate components into 3.4, and then have them recombined for that version. I'll look into it.

And again, does anybody know where I can get the graphics that are seen in the previous posts ?

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RE: 'Third Reich 1942-1945' - Your thoughts? - 8/9/2012 8:20:08 AM   
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Cheers PanzerAbteilung,

That looks like GJKs mod, but I am not sure which version. I believe I have this one installed, and out of my memory it looks the same: http://forums.gamesquad.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=1156

I could be wrong though, posting this from work (hush...)...

I will check over the weekend when I have a chance to dig into my gaming computer.

EDIT: Here's a picture he provided of his map mod, this is it isn't it:



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RE: 'Third Reich 1942-1945' - Your thoughts? - 8/9/2012 10:10:48 AM   
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Well, I made a bit of a mistake when I started working on this, in that I used 3.5 to put it together (I had no idea that 3.5 would take this long). If I had done it with 3.4, I could have posted it already.

It might be possible to import the separate components into 3.4, and then have them recombined for that version. I'll look into it.

And again, does anybody know where I can get the graphics that are seen in the previous posts ?


In the editor, hit F8 and export it as a 3.4 scenario. Works fine, did this with Anzio 2km v2.4 that i initially began under 3.5. Check for divided units, though. Best to recombine them before the export (see my post about this issue in the dev forum).

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RE: 'Third Reich 1942-1945' - Your thoughts? - 8/9/2012 10:46:00 AM   
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... hit F8 and export it as a 3.4 scenario.


I don't see how this works, F8 brings up a Save As box, I don't see how to save it as a 3.4 scenario.

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RE: 'Third Reich 1942-1945' - Your thoughts? - 8/9/2012 10:54:49 AM   
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Yes, just save and open that file with 3.4. Voila!

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RE: 'Third Reich 1942-1945' - Your thoughts? - 8/9/2012 10:58:38 AM   
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Yep, that's it, Thanks !

and thanks to GJK also !




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RE: 'Third Reich 1942-1945' - Your thoughts? - 8/9/2012 11:10:55 AM   
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Yes, just save and open that file with 3.4. Voila!


Ok, it was the Voila part that I was missing !

Crossroads, give me a couple days to look at this, refresh my memory, and see if I need to do anything before it is ready for Beta Tests.

Thanks guys !

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RE: 'Third Reich 1942-1945' - Your thoughts? - 8/9/2012 11:28:55 AM   
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Take all the time you need, mate! I am afraid I am not much of an beta tester myself, given I am not that good with TOAW...

But the scenario is certainly of interest to me, what a lovely chance to revisit the scope & feel of the original board game :)

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RE: 'Third Reich 1942-1945' - Your thoughts? - 8/9/2012 11:48:55 AM   
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I am afraid I am not much of an beta tester myself ...


It will be playable, but we'll need someone familiar with Third Reich to run it thru and see what things should/might be adjusted in order to get it as close as possible. It doesn't take a lot of time, its a fairly quick scenario.

Initial version is Axis-Human vs. the PO. If that works out reasonably well, we can move on to a Two Player version.

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RE: 'Third Reich 1942-1945' - Your thoughts? - 8/9/2012 12:31:21 PM   
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Sure thing, you can count me in! Just warning I am not that good with the game engine itself.

I read through the 3rd Reich rule book out of nostalgic reasons when posting the OP, so everything should be reasonably fresh in my mind...

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RE: 'Third Reich 1942-1945' - Your thoughts? - 8/17/2012 3:31:04 AM   
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This one isn't going to work with 3.4, so we'll have to wait for 3.5. Sorry about that.

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