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RE: [WIP] Galactic War II - 1/15/2012 9:20:03 PM   
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First of all I have to say this is a great mod, I love how much detail and thought you put into the different victory conditions.

Secondly I think that the Polish empire should be called the fifth or sixth republic not fourth since there was a 4 year period (from 2003 to 2007) that the polish country was called the fourth republic. It was a time when the populists/nationalists where in power and it has some pretty negative connotations for most polish people (except for the ultra-nationalists). But perhaps that's intended

Also I'm volunteering to make the character names list for Poland, just tell me how many names you need.

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RE: [WIP] Galactic War II - 1/15/2012 10:30:59 PM   
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Nedrear, Awaras is right. I am a semi-native Russian speaker, and it's the tense transformations of the Slavic languages that get you. However, you just might keep the name, as a parody).

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RE: [WIP] Galactic War II - 1/15/2012 11:41:55 PM   
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I'll stick to my semi-russian speaker and his grandpa who lived decades in the UssR for the correct use of the old terms. After all, translated to "stars which are together" and nation or empire, the metaphorical meaning keeps itself in line with the intention: "Nation of Communal Stars". I will not change it. It is correct.

There are a lot of words of which I don't know every meaning in German and I am from a high school... therefore I would not claim to know everything if I could speak native Russian.
As I mentioned before the old man said the Vmeste-, not as a single word but put together as an attribute in front of a word, indicates the "community". It is like the name for the Polish republic. Though instead of an old term for a republic it is an old way to refer to a selection of people. In this case the communist group of stars.

The alternative I constructed was "Zvezdnyi Korolevstvo plemya", I build that one before talking to the old man. If I had to change it, I would use this.


The Polish Names:

As many as possible. The more, the more characters are ingame with a Polish name and not "Ai Bendu".

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RE: [WIP] Galactic War II - 1/16/2012 7:06:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Nedrear

I'll stick to my semi-russian speaker and his grandpa who lived decades in the UssR for the correct use of the old terms. After all, translated to "stars which are together" and nation or empire, the metaphorical meaning keeps itself in line with the intention: "Nation of Communal Stars". I will not change it. It is correct.

There are a lot of words of which I don't know every meaning in German and I am from a high school... therefore I would not claim to know everything if I could speak native Russian.
As I mentioned before the old man said the Vmeste-, not as a single word but put together as an attribute in front of a word, indicates the "community". It is like the name for the Polish republic. Though instead of an old term for a republic it is an old way to refer to a selection of people. In this case the communist group of stars.

The alternative I constructed was "Zvezdnyi Korolevstvo plemya", I build that one before talking to the old man. If I had to change it, I would use this.


The Polish Names:

As many as possible. The more, the more characters are ingame with a Polish name and not "Ai Bendu".


But if you were going for a hardline communist theme, why would you use "korolevstvo" ("Kingdom")? No self respecting communist would want to have anything to do with any kingdom and the bourgeois nobility it implies...

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RE: [WIP] Galactic War II - 1/16/2012 8:19:21 AM   
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Korolevstvo first and foremost describes a "realm" not a kingdom and got special meanings in different associations. If you talk about the japanese korolevstvo you mean Dai-Nihon, the japanese empire 1868-1945. If you talk about korolevstvo in another association it can further mean a simple kingdom. But it never carries one distinct meaning. Vmeste neither... It matters which words accompany them.
I agree the Russian language is definetly more distinct than other languages... Chinese or Japanese as primary examples of multi-usage of words... but lacks the ability to create new words from old ones like other languages, hence their adaption of the modern words from English.

Realm by dictionary definition:

A realm is a community or territory over which a sovereign rules; it is commonly used to describe a kingdom or other monarchical or dynastic state.

A sovereign - as the game goverment indicates - can further be a dictator. It just needs one to rule supreme and unquestioned.

... I just realized my "reviewed" photo show got a mistake. The Russians of WW II are of course NO republic. And as a standard they aren't. I just chose wrong while playing.

Further I got other choices instead of the Korolevstvo. My list of choices:

1: (Gosydarstvo);

2: (Bogatykh)

3: (Zemlyachestvo);


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RE: [WIP] Galactic War II - 1/16/2012 11:50:43 AM   
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"Korolevstvo" is explicitly derived from the word "король" meaning "king" which makes it the exact translation for "Kingdom"... Gosydarstvo is much better for your purposes IMHO, being much closer in meaning to "realm" without any monarchic undertones.

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RE: [WIP] Galactic War II - 1/16/2012 12:08:06 PM   
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Fine I will change it to my secondary choice of Gosydarstvo.

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RE: [WIP] Galactic War II - 1/16/2012 12:47:31 PM   
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Okay, then it should be like "Gosydarstvo Zvezdnogo Plemeni".

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RE: [WIP] Galactic War II - 1/16/2012 1:54:57 PM   
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No apart of the kingdom argument, which is ultimately sound, the Vmestezvezdy was never questioned by myself. No matter what you write it will stand! And a genetive in Russian is as far as I know a small word. IF I would use yours it should be plemeni not Plemeni. Though the correct way of writing it in this case would be plemya as far as I know.

"Zvezdnyi Gosydarvstvo plemya"

The -nyi merges the stars with the follow up word and creates the "Starcommonwealth" instead of "Commonwealth of the Stars". Further a double genetive would sound stupid in mine and the English language...

Yours would be (plemya or plemini...) "Commonwealth of the Stars of the People" mine would be "Peoples Starcommonwealth." I like mine... I still stick to Vemestezvezdy.

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RE: [WIP] Galactic War II - 1/16/2012 3:04:52 PM   
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"Peoples Starcommonwealth" is like "People's Republic of Haven"! Sounds spacey, just the right way.
Then (just to develop the idea) it would sound like "Narodnoe Zvezdnoe Sodruzhestvo" or, if it stands "Sodruzhestvo (So)Vmestezvezdy", although that would translate into "The Commonwealth of the Together-Star". Which, to mention it, has an interesting ring to it. To weave a story about the Together-Star, the hardships of the first colonists, etc., etc. By the way, the thing they tried to stick all the post-soviet republics into after 1991 was called the SNG, "Sodruzhestvo Nezavisimih Gosudarstv", The Commonwealth of Independent Nations...
"Gosudarstvo" is usually translated as "Country", "Plemya" is tribe, "Korolevstvo" is always a kingdom...
Just brainstorming...


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RE: [WIP] Galactic War II - 1/16/2012 5:22:34 PM   
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Correct it is a "country of the stars" (Zvedznyi Gosydarvstvo) of different people in different tribes or "ethnics" (plemya), which are in a "communistic star group" (Vmestezvezdy) lead by a military dictatorship.

I am sure the people in a roleplay sense would use the official name "Vmestezvezdy Gosydarvstvo" and the general term "Zvedznyi Gosydarvstvo plemya" equally. But the officials call it the former. Accept it.

That aside:

Sodruzhestvo is the generel commonwealth term. I don't want the association with the british empire though. Gosydarvstvo carries a similar meaning.

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RE: [WIP] Galactic War II - 1/16/2012 7:19:22 PM   
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Well, for a citizen of a post-soviet republic (like myself), "Sodruzhestvo" usually doesn't hold associations with the British Commonwealth, but the SNG does come to mind. Nevertheless, I agree with you that it is less applicable to a "communistic star group". However, just a few final nitpicks, if you don't mind: for more "correct" (as far as fantasy goes) Russian Grammar, how about switching around the words in the first version, or, in another way, add the word "plemyon" in the end. That makes it looks like a real tribal space communism (The Atuuk way)!

By the way, thank you for the discussion, it was fun!

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RE: [WIP] Galactic War II - 1/16/2012 8:03:14 PM   
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The nations I am using right now are NOT those in the RP mod. These will get their own prestories and other names... in some cases. Some will keep theirs and fit in. Nontheless some - like Poland - are the WW II parody mod and only needs to reflect 1937 and their national principle in some way.
Neither the WW II parody nor the RP mod nation of the communists will get the plemyon at its end. You are free to use it in a RP AAR for the mod though. I would never say some people wouldn't call their land different.

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RE: [WIP] Galactic War II - 1/16/2012 9:53:16 PM   
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Can't believe we still can not use white in our flags.. It has annoyed me ever since DW first was released :(
Like, if some game system uses 255 255 255 already, can't we at least get 250 250 250 ?

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RE: [WIP] Galactic War II - 1/17/2012 6:17:06 AM   
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As funny as it is the keyed colors especially in the resources window I made aren't even total black... it's some greyish 221 thing.

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RE: [WIP] Galactic War II - 1/18/2012 12:41:19 PM   
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Vmestezvezdy Korolevstvo


Togetherstars kingdom. I LOLed for half an hour at this There is no 'vmestezvezdy' word in Russian language and we never had a kingdom. Tzardom was our equivalent of kingdom as we had a tzar instead of a king.

Call it SSZR (Sovetskaya Socialisticheskaya Zvezdnaya Respublica). Translates as Soviet Socialistic Star Republic and fits your sickle&hammer + stars well.
Or call it Tscarskaya Zvezdnaya Imperia (Tzar Stellar Empire) if you want to have an analogue to kingdom, but in this case a two-headed eagle with sceptre and orb (derjava) should be on flag.


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RE: [WIP] Galactic War II - 1/18/2012 1:00:44 PM   
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BTW i strongly disagree that that faction has a 30% exterminate/enslave all. We actually never started an invasion/conquest war on our own.

And who is that Asian-looking guy on the faction selection screen?


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RE: [WIP] Galactic War II - 1/18/2012 1:15:56 PM   
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First read the whole thread or at least the latest posts. Second, please edit your posts. We discussed some things prior to this. Second it is a WW II parody in this case and therefore will not be associated with any Tsar. Third Stalin was a very good mass murderer. Don't cover for him... Sadly he did not only target non communists. And he targeted other countries to "transform" to communism. Fourth you Russians got a lot of Mongolian and Tartarian people in your state. Never saw them? Please visit lower Russia and Siberia.

Last: A new name was already decided and the Vmeste combined with the word star got an implicative reason. I discussed that with an old member of the UssR prior to this. I don't know if you lived in the old Soviet Union, but if you are that old, I will maybe listen to your ideas of the old order when you read the prior posts.

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RE: [WIP] Galactic War II - 1/19/2012 10:11:18 AM   
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First of all i`m using my rights to freely express my opinion, so please do not violate it by asking me to edit my posts, ok?
Secondly these are currently the only native russian opinions on this forum, so it is a bad idea to swart them aside.
Thirdly, here is a more detailed explanation of what`s-how regarding my previous posts:

1. 'Vmeste' is a word that means 'together'. It is not a unity or group or any other such meaning. In Russian this word can`t be combined with anything not in direct mode used by you or any other using '-'. You can`t say 'together stars' in Russian using word 'vmeste'. Perhaps your semi-russian speaking man meant something different.

2. 'Korolevstvo' in Russian is nothing more than a country ruled by a king. This word was used to describe other countries - 'Korolevstvo Schvecii' (Sweden Kingdom), 'Korolevstvo Anglii' (Kingdom of England) etc. Our 'kingdom' was called a tzardom and a ruler there was a tzar. Kingdom/tzardom was the very thing that communists rebelled against, so using this word for WW2 soviets is rather ridiculous. For the newly established society they used  a word 'Soyuz' to describe a unity of different peoples. Soyuz Sovetskih Socialistitcheskih Respublic. Unity of Soviet Socialistic Republics. So the 'Soyuz Sovietskih Socialistitcheskih Zvezd' (Unity of Soviet Social Stars) or 'Soyuz Sovetskih Zvezd' (Unity of Soviet Stars) should reflect your idea much better that non-existent vmestizvezdi combined with the very thing the Soviet Socialistic Revolution fought against.

3. I know who lives in my country that`s why i was surprised to see that man as a leader. If you are making a WW2 parody you should take into account that at that time the ruling party consisted of men from central Russian, Ukraine, Belarus, Georgia etc. We have plenty of local 'malie' (small) peoples and migrants (mongols/tartars/chinese) in our country, but that doesn`t mean that those people are present in high politics. America does have plenty of mexicans in its south and native americans, but have you seen any of them getting into high politics/becoming presidents/getting other high leading positions? And Europe is full of turkish/arabic migrants/citizens whom i don`t see among European leaders either.

4. Stalin indeed was a murderer, but it is him who was paranoid - not the country itself. I see no Stalin on your pictures, thats why i highly doubt that your equivalent of Soviets should have the exterminate/enslave victory conditions greater that Nazis have with their nationalistic and genocidal ideas and deeds (it is their banner you are using with the swastica/fylfot after all).


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RE: [WIP] Galactic War II - 1/19/2012 10:43:48 AM   
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Edit your post meant your double post. A double post is acceptable if days are past since the last post not minutes.

You still did not read the prior discussion since you did miss the fact that Korolevstvo was replaced by Gosydarvstvo. I will think about the Soyuz idea but not the Soviet part.

The parody shall reflect the future where the old systems are back in place not a correct world war II in every picture. Not only is the leading picture carrying the EU stars around it, the whole system features a space fearing communistic nation in 700 years. It can be a chinese, a russian or an arab for all I care. As long as he is communistic. The real difference will come in when I meld the REAL mod with an own backstory. In that case the "goals" will also change to a roleplay goal. Right now the goals feature a nations behavior in WW II. In that moment the soviet union did not carry around flowers and welcomed every free citizen. Or at least I did not hear about the beautiful resort of Gulak fielding 3000 happy customers a year.
Oh and we Germans got turkish people in some of our partys in leading positions. As far as I know legal immigrants are also in governor positions in america. Two hispanics, one arab and one afro american... leaving aside the black president of course. I am sure these people will vanish in 700 years... no seriously we will go back to total racism.

The German Empire got 70% in conquest, subjugation and extermination (EXTERMINATION as a policy)
The Russian Empire got 55% in territorial power and enslavement (ENSLAVEMENT as a policy)

I see no "bad balance" here. They are both the two major evil powers of that time.

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RE: [WIP] Galactic War II - 1/19/2012 11:37:51 AM   
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Communism should be reflected with either soyuz or socialist word or both, but not with kingdom or gosydarstvo. The later sounds opposing to the country of communistic ruling.

The whole thing is about a russian-equivalent (as described in your first post) faction under a badly-russian-spelled name with an Asian leader. To me as to any other russian seeing a vmestezvezdi gosydarstvo with an Asian representing it is a weird thing. And America is a bad example as it is a country of legal migrants since its foundation and a great fear of calling Afro-American a 'black' face-to-face :)

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The German Empire got 70% in conquest, subjugation and extermination (EXTERMINATION as a policy)
The Russian Empire got 55% in territorial power and enslavement (ENSLAVEMENT as a policy)


Still enslavement isn`t the way of communism. In game terms subjugation is a better way to represent the desire of soviets to spread the communism world wide. Majority of communistic countries never got conquered or enslaved by the Soviets, but rather got support in their effort to establish communism, be it a supply, financial, technological or military aid.

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RE: [WIP] Galactic War II - 1/19/2012 11:58:04 AM   
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I rather you ask the Polish, the Hungary the Ukraine, Kasachstan or other provinces which Stalin and his friends conquered and suppressed if they "liked" it. That was no subjugation that was conquest. Of course countrys which favored their ruling style were supported... that is not funny though. I did not give them "conquer homeworlds" though it would have fit in a 10-15% manner. I only gave them to be one of the biggest "countries" in the game which is correct.
Stalin executed a roughly 1 Million in his purges before the war. 3,5 million in his collectivization and 12 million non communists, religious people and minoritys as well as war prisoners died in camps. I am not counting those "civilians" he personally deported to the war forntlines without a weapon giving them the choice "do or die". I am not saying every thing of the UssR needed to be bad, but it was not nearly a true communism and definetly a bad goverment. Just because I call an object "made in Germany" does not mean it was constructed there. It just got it's montage done here. The etiquette can be a fake.

And America wields one of the most strict immigration acts you can find.

And last: I don't care if a patriotic Russian will not play my mod. I will not call it Soviet. I will try to correct issues with grammar though. I can still favor neologistic metaphors in word creation. I did not call the Americans "United Planets of the Stars" either, but colonies. I made Italia the "Crown of the Stars" not "Italian Star Empire". And the Finnish are simply the "Autonomic Finnish People". If I wanted to use the original names I would have done so from the start. They are made to reflect a SIMILAR society to WW II in a future of 700 years. In that time a new communistic dictatorship can have adapted asians, arabs or tartarian people, can it not? Therefore take it or leave it. I will revise the name once more taking Soyuz into consideration. I will not change the goals though.

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RE: [WIP] Galactic War II - 1/19/2012 8:27:19 PM   
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Okay I've compiled a list of male and female polish names and surnames (25 for each gender) I'm sorry but I'm not confident enough in my English to attemt to write the correct pronunciation of the names (Because the same letters can have multiple different sounds depending on the word they're in in English)
I you'd like more names or anything else feel free to ask.

BTW It seems that my little note on the name of the polish empire went unnoticed so I'd just like to remind it

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I think that the Polish empire should be called the fifth or sixth republic not fourth since there was a 4 year period (from 2003 to 2007) that the polish country was called the fourth republic. It was a time when the populists/nationalists where in power and it has some pretty negative connotations for most polish people (except for the ultra-nationalists). But perhaps that's intended


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RE: [WIP] Galactic War II - 1/19/2012 9:56:32 PM   
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I did notice your statement. If you want a fifth one, give me the word for fifth. I don't care about the number.

The name list is very short. To cover 40 ingame years in all categories I would need more... though the main problem is the formatation. Many symbols don't survive beeing opened in a txt file on an English windows. Looks weird.

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RE: [WIP] Galactic War II - 1/20/2012 10:25:32 AM   
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Ok fifth is Piąta or without the polish character Piata. Concerning the lists I have 2 questions then:
1. How many do you think will be enough 150? 200?
2. You would prefer a link to a polish font or me changing all the polish characters to english characters?

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RE: [WIP] Galactic War II - 1/20/2012 11:43:49 AM   
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This is a latin mod and most games can't use slawian or eastern symbols. I did not use them for a reason. I need the latin style of writing.

I expect a game of max 99 years. Therefore in most - apart of democracys - I need roughly 10-15 leaders. We got 6 other categories, summing up to at least 100 names.

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RE: [WIP] Galactic War II - 1/25/2012 9:07:54 PM   
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To liven up the thread with content;


GW II Full Mod Nations

Nations to be seen again (picturewise and/or name) in the story mod

Viertes Reich

Focus: Expansion, Military Power

Background: This nations follows an expected trail. It will not be as "mad" as the WW II or parody mod Nazis, but got the same goals. The problem is, they do it smarter now.

Pangalactic Commonwealth

Focus: Economy, Peace-Keeping

Background: The major power and police of it's time. As the major power left after the first galactic war, the Pangalactic Commonwealth needs to be adressed by everyone if they want to raise in piwer. It will be crucial for the whole galaxy if the Republic de Terthe and them get along or not. Either way will prove fatal for both and the galaxy.

United Colonies

Focus: Economy, National Interests and Diplomatic Chains

Background: Connected by similar goals, but divided on a planetary scale. This nation will be hardly "stable" as every planet wants his own rights and decisions to rule over the others. The only thing they agree upon is taking necessary things of those that are not part of them. The events will follow up accordingly to that as are their goals.

Altered Nations (picturewise and/or name)

Zhonghua Xingdou Gongheguo

Focus: Balanced Economy and Expansion, Happiness

Background: This is one of the original star empires in the game. Since the creation of the Earth Republic did not include the whole UN and some nations strifed for their own well being prior and afterwards, these are the remnants of one of those. To be exact they will be the real asian empire 700 years in the future. Though less communistic...

Soyuz Vmestezvezdy

Focus: Civil Sector, Expansion

Background: Believe it or not, this will "symbolize" a nearly true communism. We all know the thing Stalin or Mao claimed to be communism are nothing else than dictatorship with a little honey bread. This thing will be a real communistic meritocracy. More in the background story later.

New nations planned as of now

Republic de Terthe

Focus: Renewal of Authority, Expansion, Technology

Background: Destroyed in the first galactic war, this nation WILL try to take your homeworld. It WILL reestablish it's own rights of rulership. Yes it IS a democracy, but YOU are only on their good side if you were a LOYAL and ACCEPTED free nation and ally in the pangalactic war - bias to the Pangalactic Commonwealth etc. - or a new created empire outside of their jurisdiction. In every other event you are a SEPERATIST. This nation will get you eventually. It will be made to be worse the longer the game runs. It will most likely get the way of the ancients and grind every unaccepted nation down. Be prepared!

Bolarian Empire

Focus: Military Power, Economy, Subjugation

Background: The remnants of the instigators of the first galactic war. They will start very small again since the Commonwealth hit them good. With an economic focus and a lot of military focus they will be a mortal danger soon. These guys are know to be the worst plutocratic dictatorship there is. If you see them shot. They will betray you anyway.

Juned Merchant Republic

Focus: Civil Sector, Economy

Background: Close to the Hanse of the middle ages, these planets are acting as a single force against other empires, but are pretty much profit oriented and independant inside. They will be no danger to a calm neighbor, but a hornets pain in the ass to every one to taunt them.

Haaroon Pioneer Republic

Focus: Technology, Defense

Background: Founded to escape the galaxy and leave the idiotic wargame morons behind. It is not a technocracy, but the primary goal is to invent intergalactic travel to escape. They are not expansive, but could go anywhere with little effort. They are most likely the most interesting choice for a power player playing the easy way. As a VI they are not expanding much though which covers up their advantage of defense technology investment.


More nations are planned, but apart of the big ones, the smaller remnants of the war need more planning.

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RE: [WIP] Galactic War II - 2/27/2012 4:06:39 PM   
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As of now I resume the work on the "WW II PARODY" Mod. I will add all dialogue files, race ship names and a generel character scheme until the 8 of march.

I will not reenact my prior plan to give the parody mod their own leaders like the RP Mod... I will just try to give certain groups a rough agenda of names through the game menue and let the attributes remain random. I neither got enough name support nor enough time till Mass Effect 3. I might correct that later on.

The full conversion RP Mod is still on halt. The decals are still a stand alone download though. The ressource mod is not.

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RE: [WIP] Galactic War II - 8/31/2012 3:26:40 PM   
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I am considering to restart the project... Is someone still interested?

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RE: [WIP] Galactic War II - 8/31/2012 8:32:59 PM   
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Hello again Nedrear.

I think there will be alot of people interested in this project. There's been an influx of new players since the sale began.

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