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Battle of Midway Roundtable - 12/7/2011 9:24:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Perhaps someone else has already wandered into this site. I found it quite interesting and informative.

http://www.midway42.org/

Apparently there is a new movie about to be released in Japan about the war leadership of Adm. Yamamoto.

Also saw copy of the CincPac OPORDER for the U.S. units participating in the battle and some other neat stuff. They've got a pretty good bibliography of Midway related books along with one that they published on their own.
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RE: Battle of Midway Roundtable - 12/7/2011 9:46:35 PM   
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RE: Battle of Midway Roundtable - 12/7/2011 11:02:12 PM   
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RE: Battle of Midway Roundtable - 12/8/2011 4:05:03 PM   
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RE: Battle of Midway Roundtable - 12/8/2011 9:28:27 PM   
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RE: Battle of Midway Roundtable - 12/8/2011 9:32:12 PM   
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RE: Battle of Midway Roundtable - 12/8/2011 9:33:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Really, really!!! All sorts of great stuff...attacking JN-25 (by a cryptoanalyst who was there though not a principal), Spruance's fitness report from after the battle (by Fletcher)...Nimitz's OPORDER for the whole show, a reconstruction of AG 8's miserable June 4th performance ("A Flight to Nowhere"), the controversy/discussions about Fletcher's leadership or lack thereof, the BATES REPORT (US Naval War College study of the battle)...all kinds of stuff I've never seen before (with lots of original source material).
And there's 8 years of back issues of the newsletter that are themselves sometimes pretty interesting (and mostly as yet unexplored by me).

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RE: Battle of Midway Roundtable - 12/8/2011 10:40:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: spence

Perhaps someone else has already wandered into this site. I found it quite interesting and informative.

http://www.midway42.org/

Apparently there is a new movie about to be released in Japan about the war leadership of Adm. Yamamoto.

Also saw copy of the CincPac OPORDER for the U.S. units participating in the battle and some other neat stuff. They've got a pretty good bibliography of Midway related books along with one that they published on their own.


Great find, Spence.

Can anyone explain the discrepancy in the VB-3 AAR with "Shattered Sword"'s unswerving dictum that there were no planes spotted on deck at the time of VB-3's attack? I recall that Sword's authors did pick apart an AAR and concluded that it was mistaken-was this the one? The pilot describes the destruction of the aircraft on the deck quite convincingly....

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RE: Battle of Midway Roundtable - 12/8/2011 11:12:56 PM   
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Can anyone explain the discrepancy in the VB-3 AAR with "Shattered Sword"'s unswerving dictum that there were no planes spotted on deck at the time of VB-3's attack? I recall that Sword's authors did pick apart an AAR and concluded that it was mistaken-was this the one? The pilot describes the destruction of the aircraft on the deck quite convincingly....


The pilot later mentions that an aircraft was "a fighter blown over the side". According to doctrine Soryu should have been readying its D3As for the upcoming strike and according to "Shattered Sword" the rearming could have been accomplished with the a/c on deck...perhaps there were aircraft on deck on Soryu. Hiryu got off its dive-bomber strike at Yorktown quite soon after the KB was devastated so perhaps it had its D3As on deck during the attack. But Akagi and Kaga were re-arming their B5s which definitely had to occur on the hangar deck and which definitely required 40 mins or so of engine warm-up on the flight deck. That certainly meant Akagi didn't have any planes on deck other than fighters since she had recovered CAP quite recently before the attack (1010 local IIRC).

In defense of "Shattered Sword" I'm pretty sure that the times of launch, recovery and so forth of the various IJN squadrons were taken directly from the squadron records (which apparently survived). I do not want to disparage the recollections of those who actually made the attack but those recollections may have been colored by the tracers flying by the cockpit and other similar distractions.

Somewhere at this site mention is made that eye-witness testimony does not always agree with contemporaneous records. The conclusion is that it is better to "go with" the records. It's interesting that in Admiral Fletcher's AAR the statement is made that if there is any discrepancy found between the reports submitted by Enterprise personnel and Hornet personnel the Hornet's reports should be ignored. Incidentally the only report actually submitted by Hornet personnel was submitted by Admiral (selectee) Marc Mitscher.

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RE: Battle of Midway Roundtable - 12/9/2011 9:41:48 PM   
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