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Morale loss between turns - 12/4/2011 3:26:46 PM   
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I had a Soviet unit loose 1 pt. of morale between turn, I assume in the logistics phase, that was not:

Isolated or lacking supply
Attacked during the enemy turn nor interdicted during it's previous turn
Adjacent to enemy
Recipient of a lot of replacements
Above NM+30, though it was NS+4

Those are the causes of morale loss that I could find up until and including 1.05.42 and neither applies.

Just a random event?
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RE: Morale loss between turns - 12/4/2011 7:12:30 PM   
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If a unit's supply was less than 20%, then it is subject to a morale loss check.

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V1.05.28 – September 29, 2011

· New Features and Rule Changes

1) New Rule – Poorly supplied units can lose morale. If at the end of the logistics phase a unit has less than 20% of needed supplies, it has a chance of losing 1 morale point. If the value is less than 10% there is a chance of losing 2 morale points.


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RE: Morale loss between turns - 12/4/2011 9:18:22 PM   
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That case is covered by 'not lacking supply', but thanks for suggestion.

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RE: Morale loss between turns - 12/4/2011 9:26:50 PM   
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Was it a corps sized unit? I'm not sure if it's possible, but in theory maybe the average morale of the component divisions/brigades lowered the morale, although I'm not sure whether that's possible.

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RE: Morale loss between turns - 12/4/2011 10:39:46 PM   
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Nope, standard divisions (there are two that I have found, the other one were/is below NM), they dropped a point between turn 6-7. Neither changed TOE or anything special.

Mystery continues...

I suppose that their leaders could have failed a series of rolls in the logistics phase.

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RE: Morale loss between turns - 12/5/2011 12:04:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: gingerbread

That case is covered by 'not lacking supply', but thanks for suggestion.

What supply level were the unit(s) at at the end of their previous turn, and what was the supply level at the start of their next turn, when you noticed the morale loss? Were they anywhere near the 20% mark?

The reason I ask is that during the logistics phase, supplies are turned into ammo reducing the amount of supplies that the unit has. I don't know the exact sequence of events is, but if supplies are converted to ammo, then morale is checked, then new supplies are drawn, then you have a situation where morale checks could be made for a sub 20% condition, then the condition is rectified before you see the new supply state and a loss of morale.


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RE: Morale loss between turns - 12/5/2011 12:12:45 AM   
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What was unit's morale before reduction? Did it happen during the logistic phase? Can it be repeated?

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RE: Morale loss between turns - 12/5/2011 12:19:02 AM   
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Unit 1: EoT6: Supply: 63%, Fuel : 53%, Ammo: 98% Morale: 53-->52
Unit 2: EoT6: Supply: 41%, Fuel : 75%, Ammo: 92% Morale: 39-->38

Unit 1: BoT7: In Supply (3 MP) MP/Range to HQ: 7/3
Unit 2: BoT7: In Supply (0 MP) MP/Range to HQ: 5/3

In T7, both units have their resp HQ listed as supply source. As you can see from the Ammo level, neither has fought for a while.

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RE: Morale loss between turns - 12/5/2011 12:27:57 AM   
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On repeatable or not: it is a PBEM. I can send you my save from before I did End of Turn, so you can do that and then check. No guaranties it will happen, though.

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RE: Morale loss between turns - 12/9/2011 2:40:36 PM   
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Files have been sent to 2by3 - could this thread be moved to the tech forum?

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RE: Morale loss between turns - 12/9/2011 3:08:26 PM   
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Got the save. Didn't have time to look yet.

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RE: Morale loss between turns - 12/14/2011 4:52:38 PM   
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quote:

Isolated or lacking supply
Attacked during the enemy turn nor interdicted during it's previous turn
Adjacent to enemy
Recipient of a lot of replacements
Above NM+30, though it was NS+4


It seems that there is a missing rule in manual. Unit which is missing morale and fatigue rolls can loose morale during logistic phase. 107th and 107th RD are good candidates for this - they both have average fatigue ~50.



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RE: Morale loss between turns - 12/14/2011 6:11:54 PM   
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Thanks for checking this out.

One of the units had morale 53. I know that this is not high per German standard, but it rather good for Soviets at this stage.

So we have to be careful not to cause fatigue above morale or it's just high fatigue by itself?

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RE: Morale loss between turns - 12/14/2011 8:17:24 PM   
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quote:

So we have to be careful not to cause fatigue above morale or it's just high fatigue by itself?


Low morale + high fatigue + bad morale rating can make it happen. It was not too common ~10 Soviet units were losing a point in the save you sent.

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RE: Morale loss between turns - 12/14/2011 9:07:28 PM   
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Thanks for clarification.

I have taken the liberty of alerting Leo regarding this - I hope you are ticklish.

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RE: Morale loss between turns - 12/15/2011 10:59:34 AM   
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Hi all,

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ORIGINAL: gingerbread

Thanks for clarification.

I have taken the liberty of alerting Leo regarding this - I hope you are ticklish.



I posted reminder in Manual thread - thanks!


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