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P51 unit value question - 12/1/2011 2:56:19 PM   


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Sorry to bring the thorny issue of unit values up.

But I assume there has been a mistake made regarding the air attack(17) & air defence(19) values of
the P51 Mustang.

As the P47 has values of 20 & 20 as does the F-190A.

I think it would be safe to say that the P51 was a better fighter aircraft than the P47 and the equal to the F-190A.

Appreciate any feedback on this point.

Many thanks.
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RE: P51 unit value question - 12/1/2011 4:25:26 PM   
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But, if I recall correctly, The Mustang is cheaper, has more fuel capacity and can carry more ammo compared to the P47, to simulate it was the better long range high altitude fighter, the P47 was more armoured so it has a slight edge in air to air defence and is more expensive compared to the P51, as is the FW190. So it is not a simple comparison of air attack and defence only. You have to look at the whole picture.

It is of course all a matter of balancing and interpretation of historic stats and facts, and fine-tuning the stats and balancing all units, is something the team looks at every patch, DLC and expansion...

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RE: P51 unit value question - 12/1/2011 4:53:29 PM   


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Good point. What are the major variables with fighter aircraft?

Max Speed
Climb/drive rates

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RE: P51 unit value question - 12/1/2011 7:08:02 PM   


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Firstly thanks for your reply.

I appreciate its not easy to model unit attributes.

But I would say that by giving the P51 only a value of 17 air attack you are not accuratly representing
its air attack historic abilty.

Many thanks.

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RE: P51 unit value question - 12/1/2011 7:18:26 PM   
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"Expert opinions Chief Naval Test Pilot and C.O. Captured Enemy Aircraft Flight Capt. Eric Brown, CBE, DSC, AFC, RN, tested the Mustang in RAE Farnborough, and noted: "The Mustang was a good fighter and the best escort due to its incredible range, make no mistake about it. It was also the best American dogfighter. But the laminar flow wing fitted to the Mustang could be a little tricky. It could not by any means out-turn a Spitfire. No way. It had a good rate-of-roll, better than the Spitfire, so I would say the plusses to the Spitfire and the Mustang just about equate. If I were in a dogfight, I’d prefer to be flying the Spitfire. The problem was I wouldn’t like to be in a dogfight near Berlin, because I could never get home to Britain in a Spitfire!"[29]

Luftwaffe Experten were confident that they could out-maneuver the P-51 in a dogfight. Kurt Bühligen, the third-highest scoring German fighter pilot of the Second World War on the Western Front, with 112 victories, later recalled that "We would out-turn the P-51 and the other American fighters, with the (Bf) "109" or the (Fw) "190". Their turn rate was about the same. The P-51 was faster than us but our munitions and cannon were better."[30] Robert S. Johnson, the second-highest scoring U.S. fighter pilot in European theatre flew the P-47 against German fighters. Johnson pointed out: "Generally speaking, I’d say the best (Focke-Wulf) 190s and the P-51 were very close in performance; the difference was probably in the pilot in these combats."[31]"

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RE: P51 unit value question - 12/2/2011 11:50:03 AM   


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All those quotes are saying is that bascially the planes are equal.

Which is all I am saying.

Meaning that the difference in air attack(17-20) & defence (19-20) are incorrect. (P51-F190A)

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RE: P51 unit value question - 12/2/2011 1:08:09 PM   
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I agree with you. I always thought the P51 the 'best' fighter the US made but the P47 was better in other roles, GS, attacking bombers etc.

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RE: P51 unit value question - 12/5/2011 8:48:35 PM   


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I would also say that a Me109 in the hands of Erich Hartmann (352 kills) and Gunther Rall (275 kills) would beat any other aircraft of the day.  I don't like the way the Me109 is beaten in face to face battles with the other planes even when I have a 3-4 star experience level. The Me109 had some advantages in dogfights and I dont think its that bad.

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