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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/18/2017 2:09:26 PM   
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From somewhat useless to decent usage.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/18/2017 2:15:20 PM   
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Is that really a JAPANESE CL?

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/18/2017 2:47:37 PM   
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Question for the group: The bombardment force is composed of 4 BB, 2 CL & 6 DD. Should I send them in as 1 group or split them to hit the Americans two nights in a row? Also, if split, how? Evenly? Some other way? Typically, if I am going after planes on the ground, Iíll hit them 2 nights in a row. The second TF will destroy a lot of the planes that the first TF damaged the night before. Not sure with troops though. Theyíre isolated so thereís a finite amount of supply. Still, there should be more disabled squads the second night if 2 TFs go in.

The BB and CL guns have very different ranges. Unless you are going in close I would split the BB from the CL, and send the BB in first. That way the CL go in close the second night and will face less opposition due to disruption from the night before. Another advantage will be to keep up disruption and reduce days of rest.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/18/2017 2:51:07 PM   
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In this case, I send everyone in as close as possible. The Allied troops are cut off and probably getting low on supply. There's very little concern about getting close and being shot at. If the BBs and CLs are together, do the CLs stay farther out because of the BBs?

Edit: Also note that the US troops are being bombed and bombarded daily.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/18/2017 3:04:53 PM   
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I was thinking about you might have the BB stand farther out. If they are being hit daily send all ships in at short range to maximize devices destroyed. The same day.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/18/2017 3:11:32 PM   
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Is that really a JAPANESE CL?

Looks like a CLAA ...but different class than stock. Also still undergoing refit.

Man, there are just a ton of substantial upgrades in that mod that directly impact Japan's greatest weaknesses.

Lack of destroyers, AA, Frank early, more CVs, I wouldn't even recognize Japan. I know you say Japan has to pick and chose what to build, but seriously, is any JFB worth his salt not going to stop all submarine construction? Lots of choices, but there still is a meta, and JFB's will exploit it. Just not sure what you can do to Allied side that balance the scales. Looking forward to looking at it in a month.



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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/19/2017 6:37:38 AM   
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In this case, I send everyone in as close as possible. The Allied troops are cut off and probably getting low on supply. There's very little concern about getting close and being shot at. If the BBs and CLs are together, do the CLs stay farther out because of the BBs?

Edit: Also note that the US troops are being bombed and bombarded daily.


No.

Everyone comes in to the range set for the task force. Everyone will stand off at the minimum range set. Set the minimum range to be beyond the range of the guns then those guns will not participate in the bombardment.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/19/2017 6:59:43 AM   
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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/20/2017 2:40:19 PM   
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Thanks, Alfred. I suspected as much but it's good to know for sure.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/20/2017 2:41:19 PM   
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20 May 43

Sub War

Lots happened, and none of it was good. First of all, the Mississippi disappeared. I hope she sank but I donít see the escort either. *Sigh*

I had the AV Kiyokawa Maru doing naval search at Shortlands Islands for months. I finally had her skedaddle a day or two ago, and she got clean away. Unfortunately, there was no escort available for her trek to Truk. The Dutch O19 put a torpedo into her. She didnít sink, yet, but her damage is at 32-98(68)-4-1. Weíll see if her skipper and crew are worth their pay. On the bright side, if she sinks, I wonít have to pay them anymore.

Off the coast of Japan, the US subs had a field day. In addition to a xAK and a PB sunk today, the Permit sank the TK Takekun Maru, a Type-1 TM 8150 capacity tanker. And she was loaded with fuel for Etorofu. You may recall me getting a brand new tanker two days ago. Yep, that was her.

On the flip side, my subs did absolutely nothing.

5 Fleet

A new reinforcement TF arrived carrying the 71 Division and a 15 cm medium artillery regiment. Over half the stuff offloaded, but none of it was guns. Weíll see how long it takes for the heavy stuff to unload. Also enroute are the 19 Division and an additional medium artillery regiment, still several days out. I finally have more AV than Ted, 695 to 519. Ted still has supply available, because each turn some disabled troops of his are repaired, but my guns and bombers promptly wear them back down.

MKB is still hovering in the area and has been detected (1/3). He knows something is there and probably thinks itís my carriers but doesnít know for sure. They keep moving around to stay away from any subs that might be in the area.

Today, he sent 4x B24s, who did nothing and lost 1 of their number to my fighters.

Adak currently has 18.8k supply and has the fort up to 5.12.

4 Fleet

Iíve noticed that Ted doesnít seem to have any troops on Baker Island. Iíve been prepping an SNLF for that and have loaded them up to possibly invade. Iím moving them from Truk to Kwajalein with surface support. I also have an airborne regiment available and may try using them. Just harassment really. If it works, I may fly out some AS and put a few floatplanes out there for extended search.

SE Fleet

Gasmata was the focus today. It began with a sweep of 24x P-38Gs vs about 74 Japanese fighters (Tojos and Zeros). For a cost of 1 Tojo and 2 Zeros, 13x P-38 were shot down and a couple more were op losses. Then came a huge raid consisting of 30x 4E and 42x 2E bombers. The bombers eventually got through, but not before 17 various B-25s were shot down. Then there were 3 small raids totaling 20 sorties where we traded a tojo for a couple of B-25s. Apparently, 4 B-24s and 5 B-25s crashed on the way home. We had 4 op losses as well. So, total losses for this raid was 8 Japanese fighters (4 pilots) for 28 Allied bombers. Damage to Gasmata was 0-24-18. The Japanese fighters will not do as well tomorrow because almost half are damaged. Keeping fingers crossed for bad weather or Ted to rest his bombers.

Ted usually sends a partial squadron of 2E or 4E bombers after Lunga or Tulagi to bomb the troops or airfield, and usually escorted by Wildcats. I have 2 chutai of Zeros stationed there. Today he hit both. First, 6x B25Cs escorted by 9 Wildcats hit Lunga with 1 Wildcat shot down for no damage. Second, 12x B-24Ds hit Tulagi hit Tulagi with 1 bomber shot down and no damage.

Rabaul was not hit today. Damage there is down to 0-87-50. Yeah, the airfield is still out of commission but it is getting better.

I did notice something that I had totally forgotten about. This month, production began on the Tojo IIc. I actually had pulled a sentai out of Rabaul to Truk to upgrade. Itís is almost completely repaired and sitting at Truk. Assuming Rabaul is repaired enough to allow the return of fighters, itíll head down there so I can test this new model against Allied bombers. I have almost enough in the pool to upgrade another sentai, this time in Burma.

SRA

Iíve actually begun looking at my current defenses and whatís available (very little right now) to beef up those defenses.

Burma

Very little happened today. Tomorrow, Iím going to rest most of my fighters (and bombers) to decrease fatigue and save a bit of supply. One Tojo sentai will sweep Akyab to knock down the odd Allied fighter.

China

Not much happening. The Chengtu attack will happen in 2-3 days depending on when the 13 Army arrives.

Other Stuff

The first of 2 G4M2a factories completed repair. Now the estimated time for the G4M2a to become operational is probably December 1943. Not sure it will help by then. My Nell and Betty losses have been surprisingly low. They havenít done much either, to be honest. Here are the current pools:

G3M2: 113, no production
G3M3: 133, production off
G4M1: 82, production on

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/20/2017 4:26:57 PM   
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4 Fleet

Iíve noticed that Ted doesnít seem to have any troops on Baker Island. Iíve been prepping an SNLF for that and have loaded them up to possibly invade. Iím moving them from Truk to Kwajalein with surface support. I also have an airborne regiment available and may try using them. Just harassment really. If it works, I may fly out some AS and put a few floatplanes out there for extended search.


Let us know if you find Amelia Earhart.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/20/2017 4:42:48 PM   
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Captains and crews of new tankers uniformly suck. Send them to haul oil from Fusan to Shimoneski in coastal waters for a month first, before sending them out to brave the wilds.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/20/2017 5:31:19 PM   
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That's a really good idea Lowpe, but I rarely remember to do things like that. Gotta try to get that idea into this ole brain.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/20/2017 8:10:54 PM   
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Must of been these guys.




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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/20/2017 10:25:51 PM   
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I forgot about the AKEs! I have 2 there, both with 4900 capacity. One is down to 3394 and the other is down to 3396. Someone said they wouldn't replenish the Yamatos main battery. Apparently, that was incorrect.


That is totally correct. Japan doesn't have an AKE capable of replenishing the Yamato's. AKE's of 4900 are the largest she has and they are not enough.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/20/2017 10:47:46 PM   
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As you already read, the Yamato and Musashi replenished their main gun ammo at Etorofu, a size 3 port with no naval support but with 2x AKEs (Lima I think?).


That shouldn't work AFAIK. IIRC the Yamato's main gun armament requires a reload of 6400. That's a level 7 port with 88 NS, again IIRC (don't have the manual right now). In addition AKE's do not add so two can't reload larger ammo than one, although they could reload a larger amount of ammo.

Is it possible something else is afoot here? Are there any changes with the latest patch?

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/20/2017 10:59:04 PM   
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I have 620 armament factories and 500 of them have been shut off for months. I just turned on another 100. My armament pool is currently 106,890 and increasing very slightly each day. I have set a new goal of 150k.


No personal experience in this matter, but I have read from those with far more experienced than myself that this is not a good idea. The reason they state is that beginning around mid-43 Japan starts to get a bunch of LCU's that'll suck up the armaments pool. You are right about at that point so I'd think about turning them all back on, especially since I personally consider 106K to be rather short (I always go for at least 150k).

Anyway, hopefully someone with more knowledge than myself will chime in here.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/21/2017 8:04:09 PM   
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I forgot about the AKEs! I have 2 there, both with 4900 capacity. One is down to 3394 and the other is down to 3396. Someone said they wouldn't replenish the Yamatos main battery. Apparently, that was incorrect.


That is totally correct. Japan doesn't have an AKE capable of replenishing the Yamato's. AKE's of 4900 are the largest she has and they are not enough.


Ok, no argument here. But then, how does a size 3 port replenish the Yamato's main batteries?

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I forgot about the AKEs! I have 2 there, both with 4900 capacity. One is down to 3394 and the other is down to 3396. Someone said they wouldn't replenish the Yamatos main battery. Apparently, that was incorrect.


That is totally correct. Japan doesn't have an AKE capable of replenishing the Yamato's. AKE's of 4900 are the largest she has and they are not enough.


Ok, no argument here. But then, how does a size 3 port replenish the Yamato's main batteries?

Perhaps the manual is wrong.
In theory, if a port (or repair ship) has a crane that can handle 3200 lb shells it should be able to replenish Yamato.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/22/2017 1:22:39 AM   
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I forgot about the AKEs! I have 2 there, both with 4900 capacity. One is down to 3394 and the other is down to 3396. Someone said they wouldn't replenish the Yamatos main battery. Apparently, that was incorrect.


That is totally correct. Japan doesn't have an AKE capable of replenishing the Yamato's. AKE's of 4900 are the largest she has and they are not enough.


Ok, no argument here. But then, how does a size 3 port replenish the Yamato's main batteries?

Miike,

I don't have an answer, or at least a good one to this.
Hopefully, Alfred will confirm, but I agree, from what I know Yamato should not be able to re-arm at a size 3 port without every Naval HQ IJ has, and I don't think she has enough.
BUT, I have had things like this happen to me as well ...
JWE used to say it was due to memory leaks. Maybe. Maybe not. However, I tend to agree with him.




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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/22/2017 1:35:09 AM   
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Are you stock or beta? I think there may have been an error in stock allowing ake to rearm the big girls....or at least I vaguely remember Michael addressing it in a patch note somewhere.

Or I could be totally mistaken.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/22/2017 9:26:04 AM   
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Thanks for the input, guys. Just another of those weird things that make you shrug and move on. Lowpe, it's a stock campaign with the most recent patch.

Off at noon today and I have a turn sitting in my inbox.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/22/2017 2:00:53 PM   
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Recheck your AKs for conversions. I'm pretty sure the Japanese have one or two that make very large AKEs that can replenish the Yamatos ammo. They should have a capacity of around 6000 tons when converted. Either that or naval support can be added to the AKE capacity or large port to get enough points to do the job. Lots of IJN players use the Yamatos in bombardments and they don't have to go all the way back to Japan to replenish.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/22/2017 2:15:56 PM   
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* Yamato/Musashi may also rearm at a Port-9, or a Port-8 with at least 88 Naval Support
squads

Page 284 rulebook. 1280 Naval support needed at a Port 3. Tenders not allowed.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/22/2017 2:23:36 PM   
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Are you stock or beta? I think there may have been an error in stock allowing ake to rearm the big girls....or at least I vaguely remember Michael addressing it in a patch note somewhere.

Or I could be totally mistaken.

I vaguely remember something like that but not any details. I seem to recall it was a long time ago so maybe it is in the latest 'official' anyway??

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OK - I checked the stock Scenario 1 for conversions to AKE and the biggest I could find is the Yusen N converting to 4900 capacity AKEs. Since that is not enough to rearm an Iowa class, it won't be enough to rearm a Yamato. In the reinforcement queue the largest AKs were the Std A type just over 6000 capacity as an xAK, but it doesn't show if they can convert in that list.

What I saw may have been an AKE creation in a mod to give the Japanese player a chance to rearm the Yamatos without having to go all the way back to Truk.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/22/2017 5:28:43 PM   
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As you already read, the Yamato and Musashi replenished their main gun ammo at Etorofu, a size 3 port with no naval support but with 2x AKEs (Lima I think?).


That shouldn't work AFAIK. IIRC the Yamato's main gun armament requires a reload of 6400. That's a level 7 port with 88 NS, again IIRC (don't have the manual right now). In addition AKE's do not add so two can't reload larger ammo than one, although they could reload a larger amount of ammo.

Is it possible something else is afoot here? Are there any changes with the latest patch?


Yeah, my numbers are a bit off. Its a 6440 load and can be done at a level 7 port with 188 NS.


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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/22/2017 5:33:40 PM   
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Just another of those weird things that make you shrug and move on.


Agreed. BTW for those of you that may not be aware, there's a quick and easy check to see if a ships' ordnance may be reloaded by the port they are at/in. The number that shows the max ammo in parenthesis will be green.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/22/2017 5:55:10 PM   
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What I saw may have been an AKE creation in a mod to give the Japanese player a chance to rearm the Yamatos without having to go all the way back to Truk.

Yes, there are two in the newest version of BTS which has the Yamato Class. So, you can use the fuel hogs far from home.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/24/2017 2:36:43 PM   
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I finally got some peace and quiet here so got the turn off to Ted. Before I post it, I have a few questions that I'd been pondering while at work Wednesday:

I'm currently doing R&D on the A7M3-J. The factories are currently repaired to 11, 8, 7, 7, 7. Should I just keep going as I had currently planned or bite the bullet and change those factories to the A7M2? They would all reset but the A7M2 becomes operational September 1945 vs. January 1946 for the M3.

The N1K1 George is currently operational with the K2 becoming operational in September and the K5 operational around December. Should I build any K2s or just keep the K1 until the K5 comes out?

How long should I expect to keep the Tojo IIc (currently operational)?

Is it better to increase 1 factory by 30 or say, 5 factories by 6 each? The former takes longer but the latter completes in only 20% of the time. I know that statistically it's the same, but I was just curious what others thought. Typically, I increase 1 by 30.

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