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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 7/3/2018 7:48:27 PM   
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If I am not wrong (and I could be), mines decay in middle ocean is about 33% per-day.


This doesn't mean the mines will be gone in three days. It simply states the the hex will lose 33% of what's left there each day. So 100=~67 on day two. 67=~55 on day three. 55=~35 on day four. Etc.

Yes, a big loss, but there's still something in the hex.


Man I know it's a compounded calculation, still I am talking about effective minefield. And two days it's already rather optimistic talking about sub layed minefields

I find it also economically unsustainable since you don't have plenty of mines, so you can do that just to conufse enemy's mind


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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 7/5/2018 5:08:29 PM   
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If I am not wrong (and I could be), mines decay in middle ocean is about 33% per-day.


This doesn't mean the mines will be gone in three days. It simply states the the hex will lose 33% of what's left there each day. So 100=~67 on day two. 67=~55 on day three. 55=~35 on day four. Etc.

Yes, a big loss, but there's still something in the hex.


Man I know it's a compounded calculation, still I am talking about effective minefield. And two days it's already rather optimistic talking about sub layed minefields

I find it also economically unsustainable since you don't have plenty of mines, so you can do that just to conufse enemy's mind



Well I like to use those 'free' mines I talked about in the other post I made. Five of those little puppies will drop 100 eggs. Not saying I've experienced much success with such an action, but it'll be one more thing for my opponent to think about. In addition to one more way to do some possible damage.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 7/10/2018 12:37:23 AM   
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Hey guys, didn't forget about ya. Been busy and turning around turns instead of posting here. I just sent back the 21 Sep turn. Many of the turns have been relatively quiet but a lot is happening in the background. I'll get caught up in the next day or two.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 7/13/2018 7:24:58 PM   
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Ok, work is over for the weekend and Ted has the turn. Time to catch up a bit...

14 Sep 43

Another of those quiet days. The I-23 put a torpedo into an xAK off San Francisco. Still unescorted convoys being found.

Most of the Allied 4 & 2E bombers hit Kavieng with a smattering hitting Hollandia, Weak and Talasea. About 200 sorties in all. I've been pulling out the important units (by air) from Rabaul, Gasmata and Kavieng because those bases are doomed and there isn't enough infantry to matter.

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Reinforcements:

502 Ku K-1, 27 Val, 13 Air Flotilla, training Kamikazes
Temp Flight Chutai, 12 Nate, 51 AD, training fighter pilots
7, 8 & 9 Tpt Chutai, 9 various transports each, 2 Air Division, training transport pilots
E W-29, convoy escort
RO-39, will be based out of Truk
CHa-66, ASW

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 7/13/2018 7:35:18 PM   
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15 Sep 43

Sub War

The RO-60 sank two LSTs at Manus hauling supplies.

The I-7 put two torpedoes into the BB Colorado, heavily damaging her, 3 hexes west of Vava'u. She was a part of the CVE TF that got trashed in early August, taking a torpedo and 3 bombs. I suspect she made Vava'u, but I'm keeping subs in the area to try and put her down for good. The I-7 took a depth charge in return. Her damage is 29-26(8)-8(7)-0. She's headed to Truk for temporary repairs.

5 Fleet
4 Fleet


Nothing to report.

SE Fleet

More bombing of the Japanese bases of Kavieng, Hollandia and Talasea, I suspect in preparation for eventual Allied invasions.

SRA
Burma
China


Nothing to report.

Other Stuff

I bought the 9 Division from Manchuoko to bolster the Chungking assault force.

I got confirmation that the DD Russell sank on 7/12/43 by KB near Buka. She was an escort for an APA/AKA TF that was trashed that day.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 7/13/2018 8:04:47 PM   
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Sub War

I had a TF of 5x Std-C tankers that was shipping fuel from Truk to Kwajalein. The Sealion found them and put two torpedoes into one of the full TKs, sinking her just off Kwajalein.

5 Fleet

Nothing to report.

4 Fleet

A few days ago, a slice of the 3 Marine Raider Battalion had dropped on Canton Island. I'd been waiting for reinforcement and then an attack, but neither materialized. I decided to attack them with my small SNLF (24 squad type). The attack will go in tomorrow.

SE Fleet

With the loss of Manus, I want to slow down the inevitable build up of that base, specifically the airfield. Eventually, heavy bombers will be based there to go after Truk. While I have confidence that I can cause serious bomber losses to him there, eventually, the enemy bombers will negate Truk. I want to prolong that eventuality as long as possible.

I saw a fleet at Manus but was unsure of what it was. I think it's the LST TF that RO-60 hit yesterday, but could be wrong. My plan was to send in 4 DDs to clear out the TF. They were set on bombardment, just in case the enemy fleet left. Then, another bombardment TF of Mutsu, Nagato and 3 DDs would trash the base. I had heard that if more than one TF was raiding a hex, the lower numbered TF would hit first. I can tell you with 100% accuracy that it is not true. The DD TF was lower numbered but the BBs hit first. Note that the BBs were 7 hexes away (their 1 phase range) and the DDs were 9 hexes away (their 1 phase range). Anyway, the BBs found the enemy TF of 9 LSTs escorted by 3 DEs. All of the LSTs and a DE were sunk while the other two DEs were moderately damaged. The Mutsu took a single 3" shell.

Then, the DD TF bombarded followed by the BB TF. There was a little more damage caused than could be repaired. I consider that a success. In addition, about a dozen planes were damaged, including Corsairs, P-47s and Beauforts.

Later in the day, I heard sinking sounds. No clue what it was but probably an enemy xAK.

After my fun, an Allied TF of 6 CA and 4 CL bombarded Kavieng causing lots of damage to the airfield and port. I consider that a success too, because Kavieng will fall soon and the Allies will have to repair it.

About 110x 2E sorties hit all the usual suspect Japanese bases. He rested his 4E bombers today.

SRA
Burma
China


Nothing to report.

Other Stuff

Reinforcements:
73 Sentai (36 fighters), 51 Air Division, training fighter pilots
RO-44, will head to Truk

The Ki-43-IV R&D advanced to 1/45 (will become operational 2/44).
The B6N2a R&D advanced to 4/44 (will become operational 12/43).

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 7/13/2018 8:15:32 PM   
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17 Sep 43

Sub War

I had a line of RO subs south of Manus to intercept convoys headed to Manus. The RO-42, part of that line, was caught by an ASW TF and hit with a depth charge. She's now headed to Truk for repairs: 27-34(20)-1-0.

5 Fleet

Nothing to report.

4 Fleet

The SNLF attacked the 3 Marine Raider Battalion slice at Canton Island, easily destroying it. 28 raider infantry steps: *poof* I think he invaded there hoping I didn't have any infantry there so he could destroy the support troops and take the place back.

SE Fleet

The 1 US Marine Division attacked and destroyed the remnants of the defenders of Kavieng: III/19 Naval Guard, 30 Engineer Regiment, 56 JNAF AF Unit. In addition, he has a trashed airfield and port.

The usual 2E bombing again. Also, he rested his 4E bombers for another day.

SRA
Burma
China


Nothing to report.

Other Stuff

Reinforcement: I-41, will base out of Kwajalein (for now). That base is rapidly becoming expendable.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 7/14/2018 3:24:18 PM   
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14 Sep 43

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27 Val, 13 Air Flotilla, training Kamikazes


A bit skeptical, no? Not too early to start training these guys?

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The RO-60 sank two LSTs at Manus hauling supplies.

The I-7 put two torpedoes into the BB Colorado


Nicely done. Who said the Japanese subs were useless after... whenever.

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I saw a fleet at Manus but was unsure of what it was. I think it's the LST TF that RO-60 hit yesterday, but could be wrong. My plan was to send in 4 DDs to clear out the TF. They were set on bombardment, just in case the enemy fleet left. Then, another bombardment TF of Mutsu, Nagato and 3 DDs would trash the base. I had heard that if more than one TF was raiding a hex, the lower numbered TF would hit first. I can tell you with 100% accuracy that it is not true. The DD TF was lower numbered but the BBs hit first. Note that the BBs were 7 hexes away (their 1 phase range) and the DDs were 9 hexes away (their 1 phase range). Anyway, the BBs found the enemy TF of 9 LSTs escorted by 3 DEs. All of the LSTs and a DE were sunk while the other two DEs were moderately damaged. The Mutsu took a single 3" shell.


That's it, keep punchin'.

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Also, he rested his 4E bombers for another day.


I sense a maximum effort day approaching.


Thanks for catchin' us up!!!


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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 7/14/2018 9:38:25 PM   
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14 Sep 43

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27 Val, 13 Air Flotilla, training Kamikazes


A bit skeptical, no? Not too early to start training these guys?



Nah. I start my Kamikaze training program on December 8, 1941.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 7/15/2018 2:28:22 PM   
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Me too, CB. I did a quick count. I have about 1000 IJA and 300 IJN "inductees" so far. Lots more to go. My training regimen for them is 40 Exp and 60 LNav. What's yours, CB?

Just sent the 26 Sep turn back, so I'm still behind. My subs got another lick in, that you'll soon learn about.

Gotta hit the road for a couple hours. Then I'll work on the AAR if I don't have a turn in the inbox.



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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 7/15/2018 2:44:00 PM   
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Me too, CB. I did a quick count. I have about 1000 IJA and 300 IJN "inductees" so far. Lots more to go. My training regimen for them is 40 Exp and 60 LNav. What's yours, CB?

Just sent the 26 Sep turn back, so I'm still behind. My subs got another lick in, that you'll soon learn about.

Gotta hit the road for a couple hours. Then I'll work on the AAR if I don't have a turn in the inbox.




I've gone all the way to 70 in LowN. AFAIK, you can pull any level of pilot into the unit once it is converted but it just must be average XP 45 or lower to convert.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 7/15/2018 4:48:42 PM   
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I've gone all the way to 70 in LowN. AFAIK, you can pull any level of pilot into the unit once it is converted but it just must be average XP 45 or lower to convert.


Didn't know that about the experience level. Thanks!

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 7/15/2018 5:02:39 PM   
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18 Sep 43

Sub War

The I-25 took down an xAK headed out of San Francisco.

5 Fleet
4 Fleet


Nothing to report.

SE Fleet

The Allied 4E bombers rested again today.

The Allied 2E bombers (~100 sorties) mainly hit Rabaul with a few hitting Hollandia and Talasea. Most went after troops. I think he's training them up.

It appears that Ted is planning on heading up the north coast of PNG. KB1 (Shokaku, Zuikaku and Soryu) will head to a point to the NW to cover the likely invasion sites. I'm pretty sure he has some carriers in the vicinity of Lae to support this invasion. My RO class subs are forming a picket line that his ships will have to cross to get there as well.

SRA
Burma


Nothing to report.

China

Another deliberate attack on Chungking today. Another successful attack (in my opinion) because the fort level was reduced from 4 to 3:

Ground combat at Chungking (76,45)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 164065 troops, 1955 guns, 1568 vehicles, Assault Value = 4213

Defending force 374737 troops, 1013 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 13569

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 3

Japanese adjusted assault: 1170

Allied adjusted defense: 21263

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 18 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
20772 casualties reported
Squads: 229 destroyed, 1792 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 212 disabled
Engineers: 7 destroyed, 251 disabled
Guns lost 202 (9 destroyed, 193 disabled)
Vehicles lost 61 (2 destroyed, 59 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
8530 casualties reported
Squads: 61 destroyed, 278 disabled
Non Combat: 48 destroyed, 190 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Guns lost 43 (2 destroyed, 41 disabled)
Units destroyed 2

I'm pulling out the 3 Tank Division and the four most beat up infantry divisions to split up, rest and recover. I also have some 4-5 fresh divisions headed to Chungking to bolster the attack force. The Japanese squads lost were nowhere as bad as the result suggested. Lots of disabled squads though.

Other Stuff

Reinforcements:

TK Marine Maru, Type-1 TM (8150 capacity)
13 Air Fleet, Southern Army, in Saigon, headed to Java
28 Air Flotilla, 13 Air Fleet, in Saigon, headed to Java
North China Garrison Brigade, will free up a garrison division that will head to Chungking.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 7/15/2018 5:06:21 PM   
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19 Sep 43

Quiet turn.

The Shirakumo was torpedoed by the Grayback while performing ASW duties a hex outside of Truk. She'll make it back and start repairs tomorrow. Here's her damage:

40-68(42)-18(11)-1

There were 105 Allied 2E sorties against the usual suspects. The 4E bombers rested again.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 7/15/2018 5:20:42 PM   
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China- you can use PPs to buy out your most beat up divisions for a cheap price. Check if you have one at Chungking that you can.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 7/15/2018 5:22:25 PM   
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20 Sep 43

Sub War

The LSD Nights Maru was hit by a torpedo early in the morning and by two more later in the day putting her down. She was on her way back to Tokyo (she was 4 hexes south) after transporting some troops. That's too bad. I have only 2 more LSDs. They're pretty nice ships. They can drop their load very quickly.

5 Fleet
4 Fleet


Nothing to report.

SE Fleet

The Allied 4E bombers resurfaced, along with the 2E bombers. Their targets were Aitape and Hollandia, with a handful of bombers hitting Rabaul for good measure.

I believe the target is Aitape. I think he wants to keep Rabaul out of commission (there's no supply there) as well as Hollandia (there's about 12k supply there) to prevent Japanese land based intervention. KB1 will post itself 7 hexes NW of Aitape to attack any Allied shipping that goes there. I may pull back to 10 hexes if the situation warrants. It all depends on what the US carriers do. They're hanging around Lae. I can see them but they're just sitting there, most likely trying to stay alive under Allied land based fighter cover.

SRA
Burma
China


Nothing to report.

Other Stuff

Reinforcement: RO-112, will head to Truk to enter the fray to the south.

My 3 CVs will complete on 28 Sep 43. After that, I'll be able to accelerate the other 3 CVs constantly (along with some DDs). Those last 3 CVs will complete in May 44. I think I'll base the new CVs at Babeldaop. I'm transferring ships to Saipan and Ted is flooding that area with subs. I have DDs and Helens/Sallies providing ASW to the area. Babeldaob, on the other hand, is pretty quiet.

The DD Patterson was confirmed sunk on 7/29/43 at Munda by a Judy. She was an escort for some of the shipping in that area that was pummeled by KB around that time.

The Ha-43 engine R&D advanced to 2/45. It will become operational 5/44.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 7/15/2018 5:23:47 PM   
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China- you can use PPs to buy out your most beat up divisions for a cheap price. Check if you have one at Chungking that you can.


Yeah, I'm keeping an eye out for that opportunity. They've got a lot of disabled squads but only a few destroyed squads. They're still expensive to buy out. But I will as I can.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 7/15/2018 5:25:33 PM   
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14 Sep 43

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27 Val, 13 Air Flotilla, training Kamikazes


A bit skeptical, no? Not too early to start training these guys?



Nah. I start my Kamikaze training program on December 8, 1941.

An experienced Kamikaze pilot is an Oxymoron.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 7/15/2018 10:37:05 PM   
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Sub War

The W-16 hit the Thresher with a DC a few hexes east of Balikpapan. (Guess I lied about the relative quiet there.)

5 Fleet
4 Fleet


Nothing to report.

SE Fleet

Allied 2 and 4E bombers hit all over, but mainly Hollandia to wreck its airfield. No matter. I really don't expect to put fighters there any more.

I've begun my night bombing of Manus airfield with Betties. The damage is usually minor but it is damage that has robe repaired and some planes are usually damaged, and occasionally destroyed. today, 18 Betties damaged 5x P-47s and caused 2 runway damage.

SRA
Burma
China


Nothing to report.

Other Stuff

The Ki-84r R&D advanced to 4/45 (will become operational 2/44).

Saipan's fort reached level 7. They're done. My goal is to have at least 2 divisions and a brigade there. The brigade is already there, but the divisions will most likely come from China.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 7/16/2018 12:21:51 PM   
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Only forts 7? Why not go higher? Even if it costed you 50K supplies (I haven't tested, but that seems much higher than actual cost to me) to go from 7 to 9, wouldn't forts 9 be worth it? That's another +50% multiplier on your adjusted AV, isn't it? If he comes to Saipan, that could be days or possibly weeks of delay depending on how badly it chews up his LCUs. Not to mention any additional VPs you'd get from higher losses on his side.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 7/16/2018 1:23:55 PM   
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Only forts 7? Why not go higher? Even if it costed you 50K supplies (I haven't tested, but that seems much higher than actual cost to me) to go from 7 to 9, wouldn't forts 9 be worth it? That's another +50% multiplier on your adjusted AV, isn't it? If he comes to Saipan, that could be days or possibly weeks of delay depending on how badly it chews up his LCUs. Not to mention any additional VPs you'd get from higher losses on his side.


One base is not a big investment. Where do you stop though? What about Guam? And Iwo? And Naha/Naga? Are they all forts 9?

What if the Marianas are not invaded?

These are the tough choices as a Japanese player. Part of the fun is predicting how the game will go and developing bases with that in mind, but you can do too much, as I think I did in my game with Jocmeister. If you know the guy well, and you know Saipan will not be ignored, then sure, do it.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 7/16/2018 2:04:09 PM   
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There are "only" 4, perhaps 5, invasion targets in the Marianas that could use forts 9. Forts 9 on Saipan and Guam shouldn't be out of the question.

Iwo, I believe, can't go above forts 6 in any case. Some islands can't. I don't know what the limited factor is - maybe size.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 7/16/2018 8:56:22 PM   
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I have a good chunk of my infantry upgraded to the 1943 infantry. Only 1 division left to upgrade and it's heading back to Rangoon to upgrade now. Not sure how many are 1943 divisions, but I'll check later today.


Mike I don't think this is an upgrade. See my post in the general forum. I'm going now to see if I can find the 2011 discussion on the subject. If I find it I'll post it in that thread.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 7/17/2018 9:18:53 AM   
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Good discussion about forts. I'm always flip flopping about fort levels. Ted and I have been playing each other since 2005 and the original WitP. We've never gotten this far. He obviously wants to head up the northern PNG coast. To me it looks like either Marianas or Philippines. I suspect Philippines because that would cut off the SLOC from the SRA to the Home Islands.

Rusty, I have read the thread. I'm curious to see that old post says.

Off to work. Hopefully, I'll catch up some more at lunch. We're to the end of the month now.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 7/17/2018 12:47:25 PM   
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As far as I know, forts above level 7 are incredibly slow to build and, what's even worse, I feel that often troops on islands finish supplies before they are completely disrupted.
What I mean is that there is a tradeoff between forts and supplies not only per-se, in abstract, but also in the very island you are trying to defend, since it might be better to have larger supply pools in defensive positions rather than forts a level or two higher.

Provided you can put large amounts of supplies on islands and you can build lvl8-9 forts, I think that some locations are worth to be heavily fortified in any case and Mariannas are probably the strongest example I can imagine.


Some islands can't go above a certain level of forts, but it's depending on port&AF levels if I recall correctly, therefore they are also the less valuable targets.



Personally, in my game I am going very, very big in few selected areas, leaving small defenses on the others. It's an 'all-or-nothing' philosophy I hope will give me some satisfaction. Clearly, it's something I have been planning and pursuing since Day 1.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 7/17/2018 1:51:52 PM   
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As far as I know, forts above level 7 are incredibly slow to build and, what's even worse, I feel that often troops on islands finish supplies before they are completely disrupted.
What I mean is that there is a tradeoff between forts and supplies not only per-se, in abstract, but also in the very island you are trying to defend, since it might be better to have larger supply pools in defensive positions rather than forts a level or two higher.

You don't choose between higher forts and abundant supply in the base as Japan. Whatever there is in the base will evaporate quite quickly under bombing and bombardment if Allied player is worth his salt. It is counterproductive to leave more than couple dozen k in the coffers (my estimate, YMMV) because you will lose the overhead for nothing.
What you choose is either higher forts here or having more supply in the Home Islands for the final phases of the game

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As far as I know, forts above level 7 are incredibly slow to build and, what's even worse, I feel that often troops on islands finish supplies before they are completely disrupted.
What I mean is that there is a tradeoff between forts and supplies not only per-se, in abstract, but also in the very island you are trying to defend, since it might be better to have larger supply pools in defensive positions rather than forts a level or two higher.

You don't choose between higher forts and abundant supply in the base as Japan. Whatever there is in the base will evaporate quite quickly under bombing and bombardment if Allied player is worth his salt. It is counterproductive to leave more than couple dozen k in the coffers (my estimate, YMMV) because you will lose the overhead for nothing.
What you choose is either higher forts here or having more supply in the Home Islands for the final phases of the game



It's true and at the same time false. Of course Allied player will burn your supplies through bombing still it's not so as straightforward as commonly thought in my opinion.

Let's take a game of my opponent against a very experienced Jap. When Truk got attacked, it has been bombed for weeks and weeks. Capital ships and every possible bomber, have sent some gifts to the island for a long time.
However, with 100k supplies remaining, defenders got wiped out by the lack of them.

Had he left the base at forts lvl 7 instead of 9, he would have had more supplies to devote to its defense since he spent a lot of supplies allocated for Truk in building its forts.

Of course, it's logic that you are gonna waste more supplies due to bombardaments in this way, but I am uncertain that it's, economically speaking, a problem.


It's the very same position I have regarding AAs: they consume a ton of supplies but I think you have a net gain in terms of A) less raids due to damages to enemy's bombers B) less damage to infrastructure due to the lowered bombing accuracy C) Consequence of point B is that having less damages it's not only a matter of supply hits, but also of ENG repairing stuff and consuming tons of supplies in doing that, D) less a/c to substitute and/or fly because of enemy's bombings

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also of ENG repairing stuff and consuming tons of supplies in doing that
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I believe that base repair doesn't consume supplies. Only expansion does.

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also of ENG repairing stuff and consuming tons of supplies in doing that
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I believe that base repair doesn't consume supplies. Only expansion does.


you are right. My fault. It stops expansion but doesn't consume extra supplies.

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I believe that base repair doesn't consume supplies. Only expansion does.


Correct, but the engineers doing the base repair will consume supplies. So there is a cost.

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