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consider the US - 11/19/2011 6:03:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		and my strategy of overwhelming airpower.. I put as much over the advancing area as possible.. then when my units burn out.. I rotate and insert more planes and pilots from my never ending stream of planes and pilots coming in from the us homeland.
Note this is a bomb his bases, air/sea and then invade strategy.. so I don't relly need to finese my pilot quality... just watch how my 65 exp bombers do in 43 if he defends, as my oponent has to decide.. " do I try to defend my airbase and risk losing my planes...?" remember he knows my fleet is coming with bombardment and troops landings.

I think it is an irony that i twist the Allied vs jap quality as my opponent will be suffering in 44 with lba far superior in pilot quality totally unable to do anything but watch me roll over him base after base...

thoughts?
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RE: consider the US - 11/20/2011 12:15:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		IMHO, you are describing a situation where if I were empire, I would be in defensive counterpusle mode, waiting for the right allied invasion to pulse in my fleet and best quality air units to surrounding bases to maximize inflicted damage. Prior to the campaign I would have previously stock up AA units where logical and preplace a dozen or more subs. I would not be challenging the air in advance of the invasion much. rather waithing for the allied player to commit. I think you know the places that tend to favor this. Mulitple nearby bases, rough or better terrain in the target bases, etc. If the empire does it right, they can be very successful. lots of tricks to the trade.

Anyway, good luck. It all depends on how experienced your opponent is.

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RE: consider the US - 11/20/2011 1:33:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		sounds about right..
Its interesting after the tip over point and the empire has less nd must do more.. how would you counter my ca/cl/dd escorting surface action.. I try to wound the raiders enough my cv groups can catch them before gettingunder friendly air... ?

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RE: consider the US - 11/20/2011 4:04:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think the short answer is that by late summer 43 you probably cant against a thorough allied opponent that hasnt suffered major naval losses - one who knows which invasions to undertake that maximize allied strengths. This kind of player also doesnt fall for diversionary counterinvasions either. It's a question of when after initiative is lost you as the empire want to commit to the 'major' attritional battle with the hopes of grinding the allies enough to slow them down enough that you can prepare the next ambush. IME, more experienced empire players tend to setup two or three 'ambush zones' highly suitable for counterpulsing...the earlier the better. One highly effective tactic I have seen is restacking empire carriers for mostly or all fighters, getting rid of DB's. This can be very effective if you are the smaller CV force. Then use the CV's to protect a large surface fleet that will attempt to blow apart the landing force. In 42 and 43, these tactics tend to level the playing field, and if combined with a concerted betty/nell program with naval attack trained pilots, as well as well thought out LBA CAP patterns when the battle is joined, this is an empire victory opportunity. there just is no substitute for thorough planning and massed force at the point of invasion. This can be very hard to do. That is why I asked how experienced your opponent is at playing empire. I've not seen anyone who hasnt played empire at least several times even begin to understand how to pull this off. Not that someone couldnt be out there - I just havent heard of anyone.

IMHO, the tendency for novice empire players is either to try to fight for everything and cosume their resources before the critical battle occurs - or they fear the allies so much that the critical battle occurs after there is no chance of a meaninful victory.


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RE: consider the US - 11/20/2011 5:33:54 AM   
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RE: consider the US - 11/22/2011 7:22:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the info guys, looks solid... Now I know what to expect at least in part... But what is bothersome is the fact that no CV that I know of ever sailed with only fighters... wouldn't that be a-historical? Was it even ever contemplated? Hal

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RE: consider the US - 11/22/2011 9:13:56 PM   
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Thanks for the info guys, looks solid... Now I know what to expect at least in part... But what is bothersome is the fact that no CV that I know of ever sailed with only fighters... wouldn't that be a-historical? Was it even ever contemplated? Hal



IIRC, when the HMS Victorious sailed in a TF in the Solomons (1943) with the USS Saratoga (and the Victorious being referred to as USS Robin) they had all the fighters on one of the carriers and all of the bombers on the other.

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