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Fall Blau .......... - 11/16/2011 11:34:26 PM   
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RE: Fall Blau .......... - 11/17/2011 8:27:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nice ! against the AI, I presume but still, it's really impressive. Do you expect to take Bakou ? or Stalingrad ? or Both ?


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RE: Fall Blau .......... - 11/17/2011 8:32:39 PM   
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Nice ! against the AI, I presume but still, it's really impressive. Do you expect to take Bakou ? or Stalingrad ? or Both ?




No, against a human player (see the Multiplayer thing). Well done!

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RE: Fall Blau .......... - 11/17/2011 8:52:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Its vs a live opponent, I have gotten some very good breaks through the game.

I'll post losses and stuff and another SS of the front when I get the turn back. The russians are running out of guys, and it seems like there is a lot of static russian forces that cant manuever to deal with the threats on their flanks.
Its a bad sign for the russians when the germans are starting to overrun factories in late '42 ....






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RE: Fall Blau .......... - 11/18/2011 3:23:35 AM   
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RE: Fall Blau .......... - 11/18/2011 3:31:10 AM   
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RE: Fall Blau .......... - 11/18/2011 3:40:42 AM   
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Russian army is starting to fall apart.... They seem to be just running out of counters. Plus I think this entire part of the map is in static mode so they cant react to an attack at all.




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RE: Fall Blau .......... - 11/18/2011 3:54:25 AM   
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The captured value for the soviets is a lot lower than what has actually been captured .. My understanding is that as Hiwi's are created, the captured pool goes down.




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RE: Fall Blau .......... - 11/18/2011 10:06:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Can he still ship oil out of Baku, across the Caspian Sean? But then again, it doesn't matter how much oil you have if you don't have any units to feed it to.

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RE: Fall Blau .......... - 11/18/2011 11:39:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		really cool ! Against a human opponent ! Did he do a lot of "big" mistakes ?? What happend during the soviet winter offensive ? Anyway, I would like to be part of it ! I am ready to take the command of a panzer army for the next few weeks Baelfiin

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RE: Fall Blau .......... - 11/18/2011 1:47:55 PM   
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Can he still ship oil out of Baku, across the Caspian Sean? But then again, it doesn't matter how much oil you have if you don't have any units to feed it to.


As far as I can tell Baku is a primary supply source and is always connected to the supply net. No idea if oil is going to play a factor at all.

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RE: Fall Blau .......... - 11/18/2011 1:54:21 PM   
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really cool ! Against a human opponent ! Did he do a lot of "big" mistakes ?? What happend during the soviet winter offensive ? Anyway, I would like to be part of it ! I am ready to take the command of a panzer army for the next few weeks Baelfiin

The only mistake that I saw was he stayed maybe one turn too long before a pocket closed .... that started the snowball effect. As far as the Blizzard, I did my best to fall back and not become decisively engaged ... I still lost 7 or 8 divisiions encircled and surrendered.

As far as Army Command over here we are not currently hiring, but will take an application and keep it on file

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RE: Fall Blau .......... - 11/19/2011 2:40:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Very nicely done sir .  I'm starting to wonder what kind of trouble I'm getting into with you .   BRING IT ON!  WOOT! 

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RE: Fall Blau .......... - 11/19/2011 1:49:40 PM   
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Very nicely done sir .  I'm starting to wonder what kind of trouble I'm getting into with you .   BRING IT ON!  WOOT! 



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And the air grows chill
Look at the red army
Swarming over the hill

We will see what I have left to swarm with at the end of your summer of 42!!

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RE: Fall Blau .......... - 11/20/2011 3:53:38 AM   
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The snowball gets bigger and faster the more it rolls downhill.




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RE: Fall Blau .......... - 11/20/2011 3:56:56 AM   
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RE: Fall Blau .......... - 11/20/2011 4:01:14 AM   
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RE: Fall Blau .......... - 11/20/2011 4:07:05 AM   
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RE: Fall Blau .......... - 11/20/2011 4:35:17 AM   
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RE: Fall Blau .......... - 11/20/2011 8:10:56 PM   
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By Turn 64 you had destroyed 600 division equivalents - impressive!

And now you've surrounded another 60-70 divisions or so.

Snowballing is the right term.

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RE: Fall Blau .......... - 11/21/2011 1:40:19 PM   
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Things go very very badly when you have to redeploy and you are stuck in static mode. I think the old way that would release units that have been attacked is better, my take on static mode is sure you get some attrition protection and maybe a little fort bonus but you are screwed if you have to fight a mobile battle.....
Make no mistake, the germans can force a mobile battle, especially if they spend a couple turns chewing on the russian army.

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RE: Fall Blau .......... - 11/21/2011 3:11:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Baelfiin, for whatever it is worth, I agree with you on static mode. This was done to prevent gamey farming of APs, but imo it was overkill. Simply disallowing static mode in 1941 largely resolved the AP farming problem.

The new static mode is a deathtrap for anybody on the defense who isn't sitting on a ton of APs. The Germans can usually contrive to keep an enormous AP pool for such contingencies (except in scenarios) -- the Soviets, not so much.

The static mode change caused a number of problems in late war scenarios, btw.

All that being said, I think the Soviets can probably get away with doing some static mode in the northern portions of the map. But beyond that, no way. Immobilizing yourself on most of the front is just an invitation to disaster.

The other thing I'm seeing in a lot of 42 games is too many Soviet players not keeping large reserves behind the lines to deal with emergencies. Everything is being put up front. So when the Germans bust a hole somewhere, they have nothing to respond with. Always, always have something in reserve until you are absolutely sure the Germans have committed all their mobile reserves. (And maybe even then you should have something in the kitty just on general principles.)

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RE: Fall Blau .......... - 8/16/2012 8:57:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		It is more easy with human player than with computer AI - try to do the same with 41 campaing with the russian AI - probably you will have big problems.

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RE: Fall Blau .......... - 8/16/2012 11:45:31 AM   
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the problem with russian reserve units is that they must be some hexes away from the front so the german player can not encircle them but not too far away to keep some MP for the attacks to reopen pockets.

let's take the available russian units for counterattacks mid 42:

-rifle divisions: too weak and too few MP to attack german stacks.
-cavalery corps: enough MP but not enough punch to attack german stacks.
-tank corps: same like cavalery units. they still need months to get a better TOE and more xp.
-rifle corps: enough punch but not enough MP.

it's what seperates good players from average players: the ability to counterattack and save pocketed units in 42 as red army.

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