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1920 July 1943 ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Burma just got interesting again. A massive raid launched into the very center of my defenses at Mandalay. There is a tight web of interlocking bases here. More than 300 fighters are in range, and all were set to combinations of CAP/LR CAP to help each other. Unfortunately I realized later, there is no radar yet at Mandalay. While that made the defense less responsive than it could have been, there was still a stout effort by the groups in the area. This raid brought up an interesting discussion of our use of offensive LR CAP. We've decided to allow LR CAP with sweeps but in this case it also worked to support the bombing raids extensively. I'm not sure how to avoid this, but with Allied group sizes and the way the escorts (don't) work, some LR CAP is probably needed. It is not perfect for either side and provides unlikely outcomes, as is seen below. I've included all report information for this attack, with some notes about the Allied LR CAP affecting very late fragments arriving. I'm definitely seeing some differences in the new Patch. Many more fragments for big bomber raids for sure. So far I LOVE coastal routing though. SUBS: Lost another xAK to the Pargo near ChichiJima. SO PAC: On the 19th the CAP at Port Moresby again tangles with Hellcats sweeping. Same kind of results. BURMA: The main show happened in Burma. Mandalay was the target. A decent CAP arrived for the first sweep and the main bomber raid. The CAP was devastated by the first use of the P47 (on LR CAP) by the Allies. The first sweep of Corsairs with 3 groups of LR CAP added in got a 4:1 kill ratio. Not a good start for the defenders. Next, the main bomber raid was nailed after the CAP broke through escorts and LR CAP, taking down mainly P40s and 2E bombers.Several more large chunks came through, then the dribbles and drabs started going in. These should mostly have been unescorted but instead were supported by LR CAP that effectively let them get through. As a result many bombers were not destroyed, many planes were hit on the ground late and any planes set to interdict bombers at lower altitudes were continually lower than the LR CAP. This is the most difficult part for me. Once the LR CAP dives, it should stay down. Instead they get back to diving in and crush anything lower, like the 37 Nicks taken down today, the 31 Tojos set to 20k, or the 25 A6M5 at 20k. As many of these small groups got through to hit the fields damage also now is too great to risk flying fro this base at 71 field/56 service damage. Total plane losses for each side is right around 100 planes. We've sent a few messages back and forth and are trying to figure this out. What to do? I can't justify having an HR ruling out LR CAP altogether as the Allies would not be able to sweep or fly bombing missions without depleting their pools right away. But if we allow LR CAP the results of a raid against the strongest point of defense on the map is completely overwhelming and detrimental to future defense of the area. Another major concern or me is that there is no information for the altitude of LR CAP as there is for other missions. So it can't be combatted in any directed way, although I probably couldn't equal the altitude anyway. Any ideas?  AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR July 19, 43  Morning Air attack on Port Moresby , at 98,130 Weather in hex: Light rain Raid spotted at 49 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 20 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M3a Zero x 9 A6M5 Zero x 28 Ki43IIb Oscar x 5 Ki44IIa Tojo x 11 Allied aircraft F6F3 Hellcat x 14 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed Ki44IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F6F3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed CAP engaged: 582 Ku S1 with A6M3a Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 9 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 33 minutes 204 Ku S1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 12 on standby, 0 scrambling) 5 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters to 20000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 14 minutes Akagi1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 6 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 3 minutes Hiyo1 with A6M5 Zero (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 5 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 15000 Raid is overhead 85th Sentai with Ki44IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 11 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 31000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes 203rd Sentai with Ki43IIb Oscar (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 5 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 15000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 5 minutes  Morning Air attack on Carnarvon , at 49,133 Weather in hex: Moderate rain Raid spotted at 43 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 8 minutes Allied aircraft P38G Lightning x 16 No Allied losses Aircraft Attacking: 16 x P38G Lightning sweeping at 31000 feet  Morning Air attack on Port Moresby , at 98,130 Weather in hex: Light rain Raid detected at 76 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 32 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M3a Zero x 9 A6M5 Zero x 24 Ki43IIb Oscar x 5 Ki44IIa Tojo x 10 Allied aircraft F6F3 Hellcat x 2 No Japanese losses No Allied losses  AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR July 20, 43  SUBS  Sub attack near Chichijima at 114,81 Japanese Ships xAK Toyooka Maru, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage SC Ch 39 xAK Delagoa Maru E W17 PB Kinsyo Maru #4 Allied Ships SS Pargo, hits 2 SS Pargo launches 2 torpedoes at xAK Toyooka Maru Pargo diving deep .... E W17 attacking submerged sub .... PB Kinsyo Maru #4 fails to find sub and abandons search E W17 attacking submerged sub .... Escort abandons search for sub  BURMA  Allied LR CAP  Orange Morning Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 14 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zero x 44 Ki43IIb Oscar x 7 Ki44IIa Tojo x 51 Ki45 KAIa Nick x 64 Ki61Ib Tony x 17 Defensive CAP starts with 183 planes listed, though some take time to arrive in the battle. Allied aircraft P38F Lightning x 11 P40N5 Warhawk x 12 P47D2 Thunderbolt x 12 Heavy presence of LR CAP provides sweep with a devastating advantage, winning a 4:1 kill ratio in spite of being outnumbered. A good advantage should be gained because of plane quality, but once the dive is finished, these guys should be surrounded by huge numbers if not for the LR CAP. F4U1 Corsair x 36 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zero: 6 destroyed Ki44IIa Tojo: 2 destroyed Ki45 KAIa Nick: 5 destroyed Ki61Ib Tony: 3 destroyed Allied aircraft losses P38F Lightning: 2 destroyed P47D2 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed F4U1 Corsair: 1 destroyed Aircraft Attacking: 18 x F4U1 Corsair sweeping at 31000 feet CAP engaged: 11th Sentai with Ki43IIb Oscar (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) (10 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 7 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 32 minutes 54th Sentai Det A with Ki61Ib Tony (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) (6 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 6 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 15000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 3 minutes 64th Sentai with Ki44IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) (10 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 10 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 31000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 42 minutes 251 Ku S1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 23 scrambling) 4 plane(s) intercepting now. 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 17 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 20000 and 35000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 17 minutes 13th Sentai with Ki45 KAIa Nick (0 airborne, 7 on standby, 19 scrambling) 7 plane(s) intercepting now. 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 12 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 35200. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 38 minutes 25th Sentai with Ki44IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 3 on standby, 32 scrambling) 3 plane(s) intercepting now. 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 5 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 20000 and 36740. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 39 minutes 27th Sentai with Ki45 KAIa Nick (5 airborne, 4 on standby, 13 scrambling) 9 plane(s) intercepting now. 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 12000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 34000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 35 minutes 47th I.F.Chutai with Ki61Ib Tony (0 airborne, 2 on standby, 6 scrambling) 2 plane(s) intercepting now. 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 20000 and 32000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 15 minutes  Morning Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 27 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zero x 32 Ki43IIb Oscar x 7 Ki44IIa Tojo x 43 Ki45 KAIa Nick x 48 Ki61Ib Tony x 8 Allied aircraft Blenheim IV x 18 Blenheim VD x 3 Liberator II x 3 B17F Fortress x 12 B24D1 Liberator x 45 B25C Mitchell x 45 B26 Marauder x 15 P38E Lightning x 6 P38F Lightning x 7 P40K Warhawk x 32 P40N5 Warhawk x 6 P47D2 Thunderbolt x 16 Allied LR CAP is a factor but the CAP is strong enough to cause major losses to the bomber formation, escorts and the LR CAP itself. Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged Ki43IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed Ki44IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged Ki44IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed on ground Ki45 KAIa Nick: 3 destroyed, 6 damaged Ki45 KAIa Nick: 2 destroyed on ground Ki61Ib Tony: 3 damaged Allied aircraft losses Blenheim IV: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged Blenheim VD: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged B17F Fortress: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged B24D1 Liberator: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged B25C Mitchell: 1 destroyed B26 Marauder: 2 damaged P38E Lightning: 1 destroyed P38F Lightning: 1 destroyed P40K Warhawk: 3 destroyed P40N5 Warhawk: 2 destroyed Japanese ground losses: 6 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Airbase hits 34 Airbase supply hits 8 Runway hits 77 Aircraft Attacking: 15 x Blenheim IV bombing from 12000 feet Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb 3 x Blenheim VD bombing from 12000 feet Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb 2 x Blenheim IV bombing from 12000 feet Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb 3 x Liberator II bombing from 12000 feet Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb 3 x B25C Mitchell bombing from 12000 feet Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb 15 x B26 Marauder bombing from 12000 feet Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb 14 x B25C Mitchell bombing from 12000 feet Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb 6 x B25C Mitchell bombing from 12000 feet Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb 10 x B17F Fortress bombing from 12000 feet Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb 6 x B24D1 Liberator bombing from 12000 feet Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb 6 x B25C Mitchell bombing from 12000 feet Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb 14 x B25C Mitchell bombing from 12000 feet Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb 12 x B24D1 Liberator bombing from 12000 feet Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb 6 x B24D1 Liberator bombing from 12000 feet Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb 12 x B24D1 Liberator bombing from 12000 feet Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb 5 x B24D1 Liberator bombing from 12000 feet Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb 3 x B24D1 Liberator bombing from 12000 feet Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb CAP engaged: 251 Ku S1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 7 scrambling) 21 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 8000 and 35690. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 82 minutes 11th Sentai with Ki43IIb Oscar (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 7 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 6 minutes 13th Sentai with Ki45 KAIa Nick (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 12 scrambling) 1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 16 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 35000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 41 minutes 25th Sentai with Ki44IIa Tojo (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 8 scrambling) 1 plane(s) intercepting now. 19 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 5 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 19000 and 36000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 74 minutes 27th Sentai with Ki45 KAIa Nick (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 14 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 12000 , scrambling fighters between 21000 and 35200. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 45 minutes 47th I.F.Chutai with Ki61Ib Tony (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters to 22000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes 54th Sentai Det A with Ki61Ib Tony (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 21030. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes 64th Sentai with Ki44IIa Tojo (10 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 10 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 31000 Raid is overhead  Morning Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid detected at 71 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 24 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zero x 31 Ki43IIb Oscar x 4 Ki44IIa Tojo x 35 Ki45 KAIa Nick x 31 Ki61Ib Tony x 3 Allied aircraft Blenheim IV x 15 Wellington Ic x 3 B24D1 Liberator x 6 B25C Mitchell x 6 P38E Lightning x 9 P38F Lightning x 9 P40K Warhawk x 43 P40N5 Warhawk x 6 F6F3 Hellcat x 12 Allied LR CAP is present, but the numbers of defensive CAP let them mostly get to the escorts and bombers. Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed on ground Ki44IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed Ki45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged Ki61Ib Tony: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses Blenheim IV: 6 destroyed, 2 damaged Wellington Ic: 1 destroyed B24D1 Liberator: 1 damaged B25C Mitchell: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged P38F Lightning: 1 destroyed P40K Warhawk: 4 destroyed Airbase hits 4 Runway hits 9 Aircraft Attacking: 4 x Blenheim IV bombing from 12000 feet Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb 1 x Wellington Ic bombing from 12000 feet Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb 6 x B25C Mitchell bombing from 12000 feet Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb 6 x B24D1 Liberator bombing from 12000 feet Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb CAP engaged: 251 Ku S1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 7 scrambling) 18 plane(s) not yet engaged, 6 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 8000 and 34000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 75 minutes 29 planes vectored on to bombers 11th Sentai with Ki43IIb Oscar (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters to 12000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 86 minutes 4 planes vectored on to bombers 13th Sentai with Ki45 KAIa Nick (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 8 scrambling) 8 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 11000 and 34000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 75 minutes 16 planes vectored on to bombers 25th Sentai with Ki44IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 7 scrambling) 14 plane(s) not yet engaged, 7 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 36000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 31 minutes 18 planes vectored on to bombers 27th Sentai with Ki45 KAIa Nick (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 2 scrambling) 1 plane(s) intercepting now. 5 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 12000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 16000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 28 minutes 7 planes vectored on to bombers 54th Sentai Det A with Ki61Ib Tony (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 15000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 7 minutes 64th Sentai with Ki44IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 7 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters to 12000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 17 minutes 47th I.F.Chutai with Ki61Ib Tony (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) intercepting now. 1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters to 12000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 11 minutes  Morning Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 27 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zero x 30 Ki43IIb Oscar x 3 Ki44IIa Tojo x 25 Ki45 KAIa Nick x 22 Ki61Ib Tony x 1 Allied aircraft Blenheim VD x 12 Wellington Ic x 6 B24D Liberator x 3 B24D1 Liberator x 3 B25C Mitchell x 12 B26B Marauder x 3 P38F Lightning x 2 P47D2 Thunderbolt x 11 Big effect of Allied LR CAP here, with IJ fighters dying in droves. Some were likely hit by 4E, but probably not as many as have been destroyed here or the actual number, at least 50% more, that were destroyed in this phase of the raids. I have to watch the replay again to find out for sure. From here on there is no escort, only LR CAP. The defensive CAP thus gets depleted and eventually doesn't even show up of rate last several raids. Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed Ki43IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed Ki44IIa Tojo: 3 destroyed Ki45 KAIa Nick: 2 destroyed Ki61Ib Tony: 1 destroyed on ground Allied aircraft losses Blenheim VD: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged Wellington Ic: 1 destroyed B25C Mitchell: 3 destroyed, 3 damaged B26B Marauder: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged Japanese ground losses: 6 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Airbase hits 4 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 7 Aircraft Attacking: 9 x Blenheim VD bombing from 12000 feet Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb 2 x Wellington Ic bombing from 12000 feet Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb 3 x Wellington Ic bombing from 12000 feet Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb 2 x B26B Marauder bombing from 12000 feet Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb 3 x B24D Liberator bombing from 12000 feet Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb 7 x B25C Mitchell bombing from 12000 feet Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb 3 x B24D1 Liberator bombing from 12000 feet Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb CAP engaged: 251 Ku S1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 21 plane(s) not yet engaged, 5 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 16000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 30 minutes 27 planes vectored on to bombers 11th Sentai with Ki43IIb Oscar (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters to 12000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 2 minutes 13th Sentai with Ki45 KAIa Nick (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 4 plane(s) intercepting now. 11 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 12000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 40 minutes 11 planes vectored on to bombers 25th Sentai with Ki44IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 17 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 18000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 46 minutes 15 planes vectored on to bombers 27th Sentai with Ki45 KAIa Nick (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 12000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 22170. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 12 minutes 4 planes vectored on to bombers 64th Sentai with Ki44IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters to 19000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 86 minutes 4 planes vectored on to bombers 47th I.F.Chutai with Ki61Ib Tony (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters to 16000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 13 minutes  Morning Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid detected at 30 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 11 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zero x 25 Ki43IIb Oscar x 1 Ki44IIa Tojo x 17 Ki45 KAIa Nick x 12 Ki61Ib Tony x 1 Allied aircraft Wellington Ic x 12 P38F Lightning x 2 P47D2 Thunderbolt x 9 This bomber groups likely would have just turned around if LR CAP was not here. Japanese aircraft losses Ki45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses Wellington Ic: 3 destroyed, 2 damaged Aircraft Attacking: 7 x Wellington Ic bombing from 12000 feet Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb CAP engaged: 251 Ku S1 with A6M5 Zero (6 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 6 plane(s) intercepting now. 19 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 17000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 81 minutes 17 planes vectored on to bombers 11th Sentai with Ki43IIb Oscar (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters to 16000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 49 minutes 1 planes vectored on to bombers 13th Sentai with Ki45 KAIa Nick (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 4 plane(s) intercepting now. 6 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 12000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 45 minutes 8 planes vectored on to bombers 25th Sentai with Ki44IIa Tojo (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 4 plane(s) intercepting now. 9 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 17000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 49 minutes 13 planes vectored on to bombers 64th Sentai with Ki44IIa Tojo (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 4 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 31000 Raid is overhead 27th Sentai with Ki45 KAIa Nick (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) intercepting now. 1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 12000 , scrambling fighters to 12000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 15 minutes 1 planes vectored on to bombers 47th I.F.Chutai with Ki61Ib Tony (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 20000 Raid is overhead 1 planes vectored on to bombers  Morning Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid detected at 50 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 19 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zero x 21 Ki43IIb Oscar x 1 Ki44IIa Tojo x 10 Ki45 KAIa Nick x 8 Ki61Ib Tony x 1 Allied aircraft Wellington Ic x 12 P38E Lightning x 5 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zero: 3 destroyed Ki44IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed Still good CAP numbers, but they are losing far greater numbers than they should with each fragment coming in. Allied aircraft losses Wellington Ic: 4 destroyed, 2 damaged Japanese ground losses: 5 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Aircraft Attacking: 5 x Wellington Ic bombing from 12000 feet Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb CAP engaged: 251 Ku S1 with A6M5 Zero (11 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 11 plane(s) intercepting now. 9 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 17000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 41 minutes 6 planes vectored on to bombers 11th Sentai with Ki43IIb Oscar (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 20000 Raid is overhead 13th Sentai with Ki45 KAIa Nick (7 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 7 plane(s) intercepting now. 1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 12000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 13 minutes 8 planes vectored on to bombers 25th Sentai with Ki44IIa Tojo (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 3 plane(s) intercepting now. 3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters to 12000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 24 minutes 6 planes vectored on to bombers 64th Sentai with Ki44IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters to 15000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 8 minutes 47th I.F.Chutai with Ki61Ib Tony (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters to 12000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 14 minutes 1 planes vectored on to bombers  Morning Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid detected at 33 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 11 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zero x 11 Ki43IIb Oscar x 1 Ki44IIa Tojo x 6 Ki45 KAIa Nick x 5 Allied aircraft Blenheim IV x 12 P40N5 Warhawk x 3 P47D2 Thunderbolt x 8 F6F3 Hellcat x 9 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses Blenheim IV: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged Runway hits 4 Aircraft Attacking: 8 x Blenheim IV bombing from 12000 feet Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb CAP engaged: 251 Ku S1 with A6M5 Zero (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 3 plane(s) intercepting now. 8 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 17000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 214 minutes 7 planes vectored on to bombers 11th Sentai with Ki43IIb Oscar (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters to 17000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 13 minutes 1 planes vectored on to bombers 13th Sentai with Ki45 KAIa Nick (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 4 plane(s) intercepting now. 1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 12000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 67 minutes 5 planes vectored on to bombers 64th Sentai with Ki44IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters to 17000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 34 minutes 1 planes vectored on to bombers 25th Sentai with Ki44IIa Tojo (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) intercepting now. 4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters to 12000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 16 minutes 5 planes vectored on to bombers  Morning Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid detected at 31 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 11 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zero x 4 Ki44IIa Tojo x 5 Ki45 KAIa Nick x 2 Allied aircraft Liberator II x 12 P40N5 Warhawk x 3 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed Ki44IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses Liberator II: 2 damaged Airbase hits 1 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 1 Aircraft Attacking: 12 x Liberator II bombing from 12000 feet Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb CAP engaged: 251 Ku S1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters to 12000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes 64th Sentai with Ki44IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters to 12000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 11 minutes 1 planes vectored on to bombers 25th Sentai with Ki44IIa Tojo (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) intercepting now. 3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters to 12000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes 1 planes vectored on to bombers 13th Sentai with Ki45 KAIa Nick (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 12000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 37 minutes 2 planes vectored on to bombers  Morning Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 15 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zero x 1 Ki44IIa Tojo x 2 Ki45 KAIa Nick x 1 Allied aircraft Wellington Ic x 12 P38E Lightning x 5 P40N5 Warhawk x 3 P47D2 Thunderbolt x 17 Japanese aircraft losses Ki44IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged Ki45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed Allied LR CAP definitely taking part and killing off the last of the defensive CAP No Allied losses Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 7 Aircraft Attacking: 12 x Wellington Ic bombing from 12000 feet Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb CAP engaged: 251 Ku S1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters to 19000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 69 minutes 64th Sentai with Ki44IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters to 12000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes 25th Sentai with Ki44IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters to 12000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 10 minutes 13th Sentai with Ki45 KAIa Nick (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 12000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 11 minutes  Morning Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid detected at 33 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 9 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zero x 1 Allied aircraft B26B Marauder x 12 P38E Lightning x 5 F6F3 Hellcat x 7 No Japanese losses No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 7 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Airbase hits 3 Runway hits 4 Aircraft Attacking: 12 x B26B Marauder bombing from 12000 feet Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb CAP engaged: 251 Ku S1 with A6M5 Zero (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 20000 Raid is overhead  Morning Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid detected at 15 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 5 minutes Allied aircraft B24D Liberator x 9 P40N5 Warhawk x 2 (escorts?) P47D2 Thunderbolt x 7 No Allied losses Airbase hits 8 Runway hits 3 Aircraft Attacking: 9 x B24D Liberator bombing from 12000 feet Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb  Morning Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid detected at 30 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 8 minutes Japanese aircraft no flights Allied aircraft B25C Mitchell x 9 P38E Lightning x 5 P38F Lightning x 2 P47D2 Thunderbolt x 14 F6F3 Hellcat x 7 No Japanese losses No Allied losses Airbase hits 7 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 9 Aircraft Attacking: 9 x B25C Mitchell bombing from 12000 feet Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb  Morning Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid detected at 36 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 12 minutes Japanese aircraft no flights Allied aircraft B24D1 Liberator x 6 P38E Lightning x 5 P47D2 Thunderbolt x 7 F6F3 Hellcat x 7 No Japanese losses No Allied losses Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 3 Aircraft Attacking: 6 x B24D1 Liberator bombing from 12000 feet Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb  Morning Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid detected at 50 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 14 minutes Japanese aircraft no flights Allied aircraft B25C Mitchell x 9 P38F Lightning x 2 P38E Lightning x 5 P40N5 Warhawk x 2 P47D2 Thunderbolt x 14 F6F3 Hellcat x 7 Japanese aircraft losses Ki44IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed on ground No Allied losses Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 2 Aircraft Attacking: 9 x B25C Mitchell bombing from 12000 feet Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb  Morning Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 23 minutes Japanese aircraft no flights Allied aircraft B25C Mitchell x 9 P38F Lightning x 2 P40N5 Warhawk x 2 P47D2 Thunderbolt x 7 F6F3 Hellcat x 7 No Japanese losses No Allied losses Runway hits 5 Aircraft Attacking: 9 x B25C Mitchell bombing from 12000 feet Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb  Morning Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid detected at 24 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 8 minutes Japanese aircraft no flights Allied aircraft B24D1 Liberator x 6 P38E Lightning x 5 P38F Lightning x 2 P40N5 Warhawk x 2 No Japanese losses No Allied losses Airbase hits 4 Runway hits 4 Aircraft Attacking: 6 x B24D1 Liberator bombing from 12000 feet Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb  Morning Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid detected at 48 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 16 minutes Allied aircraft B24D1 Liberator x 6 P38E Lightning x 5 P40N5 Warhawk x 2 P47D2 Thunderbolt x 14 No Allied losses Airbase hits 1 Runway hits 2 Aircraft Attacking: 6 x B24D1 Liberator bombing from 12000 feet Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb  Morning Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid detected at 36 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 12 minutes Japanese aircraft no flights Allied aircraft B24D1 Liberator x 6 P38F Lightning x 2 P47D2 Thunderbolt x 14 F6F3 Hellcat x 7 No Japanese losses No Allied losses Airbase hits 1 Runway hits 4 Aircraft Attacking: 6 x B24D1 Liberator bombing from 12000 feet Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb  Morning Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid detected at 64 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 21 minutes Japanese aircraft no flights Allied aircraft B24D1 Liberator x 6 P38E Lightning x 5 P38F Lightning x 2 P47D2 Thunderbolt x 7 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses B24D1 Liberator: 1 damaged Airbase hits 1 Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 5 Aircraft Attacking: 6 x B24D1 Liberator bombing from 12000 feet Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb  Morning Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid detected at 60 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 20 minutes Allied aircraft P40N1 Warhawk x 23 P40N5 Warhawk x 2 P47D2 Thunderbolt x 7 No Allied losses Aircraft Attacking: 23 x P40N1 Warhawk sweeping at 15000 feet *  Morning Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid detected at 69 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 13 minutes Allied aircraft P38F Lightning x 2 P38G Lightning x 23 P47D2 Thunderbolt x 7 I also got lucky that these sweeps came in late. I wouldn't have fared well against those. No Allied losses Aircraft Attacking: 23 x P38G Lightning sweeping at 31000 feet  Morning Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid detected at 35 NM, estimated altitude 39,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 10 minutes Allied aircraft P38E Lightning x 5 P40N5 Warhawk x 2 P47D2 Thunderbolt x 30 No Allied losses Aircraft Attacking: 23 x P47D2 Thunderbolt sweeping at 35000 feet  Reinforcements: None. Losses: None. Ships Sunk: Another on off the list. Previous report of sinking of SS Sargo incorrect. Intelligence reports ship is still in service ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Judging by today's efforts, the Nick may have to be taken off of frontline groups and sent to areas outside of sweep range. I may try it as a bomber both against land and shipping targets as well. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
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