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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/3/2014 9:58:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: obvert

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ORIGINAL: LoBaron


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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

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I don't know about ac models, but it pretty obvious that the 'heavy bomber' designation makes some differences. From my observations:

They tend to accept higher losses and bore in on attacks much more than a 'medium bomber'.
They tend to have higher hit rates.


The latter makes sense to me (better bombsights). The former, I'm on the fence about.


I agree they tend to "go" when 2Es won't. Maybe the durability rating? Or the gun defenses?


It is much simpler. Medium bombers do not fly if potential CAP outnumbers potential escorts by more than 50(IIRC)%.

For heavies that rule does not apply.


Ha! My 2E are happy to fly into huge CAP and get decimated. Happens regularly.


Yep, sorry. I did not word my last post correctly.

AFAIK meds need to pass a check to continue to target - even if potential escorts are outnumbered by CAP over target by a certain percentage. An attribute that enables to pass that check is cmdr agg (which is quite abundant for Japan).

You sure already noticed occasionally those in game messages stating "unescorted bombers withdraw". This is what I was referring to, and that check does not apply to heavy bombers. Hope that clearifies things.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/3/2014 10:03:25 AM   
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Yeah, I know, just being silly. But it does help to know the exact mechanism, which I wasn't aware of before.

I do get some of the "unescorted bombers withdraw" messages, but they are often a portion of the whole. I do tend to use aggressive strike group leaders, and that is both good and bad, depending on the situation. After this game is done I'd love to do some tests of aggression levels and results. It would be interesting to see if the 50 level aggression commanders will have more 'sense' and if the 40 level commanders will ever flay at all. Some of the small kami groups have had poor commanders recently, in the 45 aggression and 40 leadership area, and didn't fly much with good targets in range, no CAP, etc.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/5/2014 9:10:48 AM   
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25 June 1945
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KOREA: Again bombing troops at Gunzan, and again the number of planes at Moppo increases. According to my recon now there are around 2k+ airframes there now. I know 4E are based there. If we could sneak some BBs through, wow! Can't do anything right now.

STRAT BOMBING: Nothing today. Nice to see the B-29s at least have to rest for one day occasionally.

HOME ISLANDS: Even with the extra being pumped out by Tokyo and Osaka I can't get supply to go up. I'm disbanding more training groups.

RECON: Like the Ki-95. No losses so far. The camera seems to make a big difference in results too. Only 3-4 planes over Moppo and it's a pretty clear picture (I think).

CHINA: Now to wait for the Allied armies to approach. I'll move into the +3 and build forts.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR June 25, 45 - NIGHT
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Masan at 102,54, Range 6,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
MTB G-452, Shell hits 2
MTB G-453, Shell hits 1
MTB G-454
MTB G-455, Shell hits 2
MTB G-461, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
PF Tacoma
PF Sausalito
PF Pocatello
PF Grand Forks

Improved night sighting under 96% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 96% moonlight: 11,000 yards

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR June 25, 45 - AFTERNOON
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Afternoon Air attack on Gunzan , at 102,52

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 77 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 33 minutes

Allied aircraft
A-26B Invader x 12
B-24D1 Liberator x 6
B-24J Liberator x 21
P-38L Lightning x 38
F6F-5 Hellcat x 33
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 18
PB4Y-2 Privateer x 17

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged
PB4Y-2 Privateer: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
386 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 35 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 26 disabled

Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled

Airbase hits 15
Airbase supply hits 11
Runway hits 51

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x PB4Y-2 Privateer bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR June 7, 45 - GROUND
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Ground combat at Masan (102,54)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 67633 troops, 1300 guns, 1128 vehicles, Assault Value = 2641

Defending force 113321 troops, 1512 guns, 300 vehicles, Assault Value = 3860

Japanese ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled

Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
26 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled

Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Ground combat at Wuchang (84,51)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 12195 troops, 176 guns, 130 vehicles, Assault Value = 492

Defending force 6603 troops, 68 guns, 11 vehicles, Assault Value = 205

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 3

Allied adjusted assault: 117

Japanese adjusted defense: 137

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), preparation(-)
experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(+), leaders(-), fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
242 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 15 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled

Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled

Allied ground losses:
77 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled

Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Assaulting units:
6th Australian Division

Defending units:
1st Ind.Mixed Brigade
90th JAAF AF Bn

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Ground combat at 81,55 (near Pingsiang)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 5460 troops, 360 guns, 396 vehicles, Assault Value = 1402

Defending force 118397 troops, 1096 guns, 640 vehicles, Assault Value = 3175

Japanese ground losses:
59 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 15 disabled

Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Reinforcements: none.

Losses: none.

Ships Sunk:

CV Victorious is reported to have been sunk near Nakadori-jima on May 14, 1945
CVE Shamrock Bay is reported to have been sunk near Keijo on Jun 01, 1945
DD Hopewell is reported to have been sunk near Nakadori-jima on May 15, 1945

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Now well over 2,000 aircraft are based at Moppo. I don't think the Allies will easily let bombardments go in now, but if ne did get through ...
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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/5/2014 7:59:24 PM   
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CV Victorious is reported to have been sunk near Nakadori-jima on May 14, 1945


Intelligence seems to be "a day behind the fair" . . .

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/5/2014 8:39:28 PM   
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CV Victorious is reported to have been sunk near Nakadori-jima on May 14, 1945


Intelligence seems to be "a day behind the fair" . . .


I don't trust the sunk list much, especially with the kind of big battles that have happened in the past few months.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/8/2014 11:37:45 AM   
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26 - 30 June 1945
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THE GAME: Wow. Lately, in the last week or so, my interest in the game has dropped off the map. It's been pretty good up until now, and I don't think it's so much that things are difficult, it's just a long slog through 44-45, and I'm feeling it. Most turns I've just been playing with pilots and getting planes in air groups. Not much else to do while I click past hundreds of waves of Allied bomber runs.

I'll try a few last desperate attempts to make something happen, but I doubt much can be achieved here at this point, as it should be.

KOREA: The Allies have moved a large army up within one hex of Gunzan. Looks like 27 units. If that moves into Gunzan it should spell the end there. The bombing runs have taken their toll, and our troops are fighting high disruption levels.

STRAT BOMBING: The B-29s finally begin to finish off Manchurian industry. It's been largely unprotected for months, but the HI can't draw fuel from Port Arthur (27k right now) so it might as well not be there.

They also target an A6M NF factory at Nagoya, and the NF come up in force ... only to be shot down in huge numbers. Over 50 NF lost for 5-6 B-29. Huh.

HOME ISLANDS: Just upgrading and filling out air units. Boring stuff. A few sweeps here and there, but he Allies are largely focused on Korea.

CHINA: The Allies land at Ningpo with a few divisions. Hangchow should be fine against this much, but of course more could be piled in once the base in secure. I'll pull back 1k AV into that base.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR June 27, 45
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Night Air attack on Anshan , at 102,43

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 23

No Allied losses

Light Industry hits 21

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 8000 feet *
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Kumamoto , at 102,59

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 22 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5b Zero x 9
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 4
Ki-84r Frank x 17
Ki-100-I Tony x 2

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5b Zero: 3 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 4 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Gunzan , at 102,52

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.VI x 12
Liberator GR.VI x 3
B-24J Liberator x 12
A-26B Invader x 28
B-24D1 Liberator x 12
B-24J Liberator x 3
B-25J11 Mitchell x 12
P-38J Lightning x 18
P-38L Lightning x 62
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 15
PB4Y-2 Privateer x 41

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged
A-26B Invader: 1 damaged
B-25J11 Mitchell: 1 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 damaged
PB4Y-2 Privateer: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
315 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 15 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 23 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled


Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 8
Runway hits 40

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x PB4Y-2 Privateer bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at Gunzan (102,52)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 108476 troops, 2030 guns, 3366 vehicles, Assault Value = 4995

Defending force 210406 troops, 2494 guns, 728 vehicles, Assault Value = 7019

Japanese ground losses:
964 casualties reported
Squads: 9 destroyed, 74 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 20 (5 destroyed, 15 disabled)
Vehicles lost 4 (2 destroyed, 2 disabled)


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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR June 28, 45
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Night Air attack on Nagoya , at 111,60

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-S Irving x 11
J1N1-Sa Irving x 6
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 8
Ki-46-III KAI Dinah x 34

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 29

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-S Irving: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAId Nick: 1 destroyed
Ki-46-III KAI Dinah: 2 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 4 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 8000 feet *
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR June 29, 45
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Ningpo at 92,56, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
MTB G-889

Allied Ships
CL Gambia
CLAA Flint
CLAA Tucson
CL Richmond
DD Carmick
DD Shubrick
DD Patterson
DD Van Nes
DD Evertsen
DD Kortenaer
APA W.A. Holbrook
APA Leonard Wood
APA Pierce
APA Sheridan
APA Baxter
APA Griggs
APA Eastland
APA Montrose
APA Marvin McIntyre
APA Gage
APA Oconto
APA McCracken
APA Rawlins
APA New Kent
APA Sibley
APA Magoffin
APA Navarro
LCI-61
LCI-64
LCI-65
LCI-66
LCI-67
LCI-68
LCI-69
LCI(G)-76
LCI(G)-462
LCI(G)-463
LCI(G)-464
LCI(G)-465
LCI(G)-466
LCI(G)-467
LCI(G)-528
LCI(G)-530

Improved night sighting under 75% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 75% moonlight: 11,000 yards

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Morning Air attack on Gunzan , at 102,52

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.VI x 12
B-24J Liberator x 167
P-38J Lightning x 2
P-38L Lightning x 71
F6F-5 Hellcat x 33
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 12
PB4Y-2 Privateer x 46

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 6 damaged
PB4Y-2 Privateer: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
1320 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 94 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 78 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 14 disabled
Vehicles lost 36 (8 destroyed, 28 disabled)

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 40

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Ground combat at Gunzan (102,52)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 109018 troops, 2032 guns, 3371 vehicles, Assault Value = 5046

Defending force 208376 troops, 2602 guns, 971 vehicles, Assault Value = 7096

Japanese ground losses:
923 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 51 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 7 disabled
Guns lost 40 (6 destroyed, 34 disabled)
Vehicles lost 15 (7 destroyed, 8 disabled)


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Reinforcements:

Oshima Naval Guard Unit arrives at Tokyo
9th JNAF Coy arrives at Tokyo
APD T-22 arrives at Nagasaki/Sasebo


Losses:



Ships Sunk:

Previous report of sinking of DD Mannert Abele incorrect. Intelligence reports ship is still in service
Previous report of sinking of SS Terrapin incorrect. Intelligence reports ship is still in service
CV Viking is reported to have been sunk near Nakadori-jima on May 14, 1945
CVE Wake Island is reported to have been sunk near Kaishu on Jun 03, 1945
xAK Diloma is reported to have been sunk near Batan Island on May 18, 1945
Previous report of sinking of DD Thatcher incorrect. Intelligence reports ship is still in service
Previous report of sinking of SS Dentuda incorrect. Intelligence reports ship is still in service
SS Roncador is reported to have been sunk near Tsushima on May 10, 1945
AK Manderson Victory is reported to have been sunk near Moppo on May 16, 1945

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This looks like it might produce good resulta and big kills to the 4Es. Instead, 5-6 B-29s are shot down for the losses of 50+ NF!! Oh, well.
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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/8/2014 2:26:48 PM   
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CONTEMPLATING THE END
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I've sent a note to Jocke letting him know I've lost the momentum and interest at this point, and if I keep going it will likely not be so competitive for him. That is not only due to my feeling right now but also the game as it stands. I'm really only capable of desperation moves, even though I've known this for a while. I've always wanted to make it to the bitter end, but I also want to be fair to my opponent, and not make the end into something where he's still putting a lot of energy into it and not getting much back.

So we're having a discussion. We'll see how he responds, as I've still left it open to continue.

Some of this was precipitated by the July 1st turn. I sent in another last ditch bombardment run, which should have met a bunch of Allied ships for a grand finale of the IJN. Instead they stopped a few hexes short and got creamed by air strikes. All 15 ships in the big TF sunk including 6 BBs. I knew I'd lose them when I set the turn, but that isn't such a fun way to go. They moved 3 hexes on the day. It was a risk, I took it, and in spite of Tanaka, absolute threat tolerance and plenty of due, they just decided not to go. Maybe the AI 'saw' what was waiting.

This is not the reason to stop the game though, as the ships would have been lost this turn anyway, just in a more exciting fashion. It is more that the intrigue and mystery are quickly disappearing, the capability to run the economy is dwindling, and it is spring. It's 21 C today (70+ F) and I just want to be outside, not cleaning up broken IJ air groups!
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Fusan at 102,55

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5b Zero x 17
A7M2 Sam x 4
J2M5 Jack x 3
N1K1 Rex x 1
N1K2-J George x 32
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 4
Ki-84a Frank x 6
Ki-84r Frank x 8
Ki-100-I Tony x 13
Ki-102a Randy x 1

Allied aircraft
Hellcat I x 36
Hellcat F.II x 20
F6F-5 Hellcat x 417
SB2C-4 Helldiver x 175
TBM-3 Avenger x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5b Zero: 3 destroyed
A7M2 Sam: 2 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 5 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 3 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 3 destroyed
Ki-102a Randy: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
Hellcat I: 2 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 8 destroyed
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 2 destroyed, 17 damaged
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 3 destroyed by flak
TBM-3 Avenger: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged


Japanese Ships
BB Fuso, Bomb hits 12, heavy fires
BB Mutsu, Bomb hits 12, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires
BB Yamato, Bomb hits 10, heavy fires
BB Ise, Bomb hits 16, Torpedo hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB Hyuga, Bomb hits 11, heavy fires
BB Musashi, Bomb hits 11, heavy fires
DD Tsubaki, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Kaba, Bomb hits 1, on fire

DD Yanagi
DD Hinoki
DD Nara, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Fusan at 102,55

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 36 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 1

Allied aircraft
SB2C-4 Helldiver x 28
TBM-3 Avenger x 44

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 3 damaged
TBM-3 Avenger: 2 destroyed, 9 damaged


Japanese Ships
BB Hyuga, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires
BB Fuso, Torpedo hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage

DD Kashi
BB Mutsu, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Hinoki
BB Yamato, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Yanagi
DD Keyaki, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Musashi, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
DD Tsubaki, heavy fires, heavy damage


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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Fusan at 102,55

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 64 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 28 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Avenger II x 18

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Avenger II: 4 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Musashi, Torpedo hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB Yamato, Torpedo hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB Hyuga, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB Fuso, and is sunk

DD Kaya
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Fusan at 102,55

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 36 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
SBD-5 Dauntless x 15
TBM-1C Avenger x 42

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
TBM-1C Avenger: 3 damaged
TBM-1C Avenger: 1 destroyed by flak


Japanese Ships
DD Kashi
DD Yanagi, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB Yamato, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB Musashi, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB Hyuga, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB Mutsu, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Tsubaki, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
DD Hinoki, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk

DD Odake
DD Keyaki, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Fusan at 102,55

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 37 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
TBM-3 Avenger x 67

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
TBM-3 Avenger: 3 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Musashi, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
DD Odake
BB Hyuga, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
DD Kashi, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Kaya, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
BB Yamato, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
DD Kaba, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Nara, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
DD Yanagi, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk


Aircraft Attacking:
21 x TBM-3 Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo




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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/8/2014 3:10:27 PM   
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Obvert....or is that Felix the Cat, I have not visited your AAR much as I was reading JOC's daily. However, now that the game is winding down, I wanted to stop by and wish you the best in both gaming and in your life. You are a most worthy opponent. You are welcome in my tribe at anytime. A well played game and an even better exchange of AAR commentary. Excellent sportsmanship was shown by both of you. This is a model for all gamers to match.

Also, I must say that now that spring has begun to arrive there, I cannot blame you at all for wishing to be outside in Bonny Old England. Having recently visited London for a few days, it only whetted my desire to send much more time in that fair city's grasp. To stand in Trafalgar Square and realize that there was more history within a two block radius than all of Texas, was just tantalizing in the extreme. I cannot wait to visit again and this time I will stay much longer (and bring a lot more money).

I have traveled extensively in western and central Europe and thus far there are only three cities I would chose to live in outside the US. Those are London, Florence and Interlaken (Switzerland). London is listed first for a reason. What a tremendous place to be....and you are there. Enjoy it to the hilt!

Thanks again for a tremendous game!

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/8/2014 4:08:02 PM   
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Enjoy and it surely was an journey. Nothing wrong about the "PBEM fatigue". I have gone through that and it does hit near the end of things.

It was an good fight!

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/8/2014 4:36:45 PM   
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Well played Erik. Congratulations on making it as far as you could before hitting the wall. Excellent and entertaining AAR. Thanks for all the time and effort into documenting a late game Japan.



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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/8/2014 4:48:25 PM   
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Just read Joc's 'game over' announcement.

Congratulations on a fantastic contest! My sentiments echo princep's comments.

Way to go!

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/8/2014 5:05:26 PM   
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Can't say i'm happy to see this game over... but Erik, you've played a great game and written the best AAR ever in this forum!
I can just say that we all thank both you and Joc for this game and these two mirror AARs...

Now get out, live London, find easy chicks... oh, no, sorry, you are engaged...

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/8/2014 5:53:31 PM   
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Thankyou...great game...lost many an hour following your adventures. Great job.


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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/8/2014 7:37:53 PM   
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Great game and thanks again for doing the AAR!

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/8/2014 7:42:26 PM   
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Great Game Erik!

Thanks for all the great reads!



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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/8/2014 8:07:19 PM   
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Well played and thank you for a great AAR. It isn't often that you can read parallell AARs of such high quality!

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/8/2014 9:03:48 PM   
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Congrats for taking it this far!!

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/8/2014 9:12:06 PM   
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Well done Obvert for taking a Japanese game so far. I've currently got a Scenario 1 running as well and your play has given me a lot of ideas to keep the Allies sweating even into 1945. Hope to see you do another one!

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/8/2014 10:10:34 PM   
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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/8/2014 11:15:11 PM   
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Hey guys, just back from a night out eating an amazing Indian dinner in London. In a strange way, although I was celebrating a friend's birthday, I felt I had something to celebrate too. it has been a long road. At drinks before I told my lady the game was over and she came over and gave a big kiss. She's also been through the whole thing with me, the highs and lows. Several years of our lives.

I'l be continuing to update with lots of final info tomorrow. Tonight I'll have a final scotch and sit back, relax, and try to imagine what it'll be like not to wake up with a turn from Jocke in my box.

A massive thanks to Jocke, a great partner in this journey, and in spite of all of our occasional outbursts, I'd say a good friend.

More in the morning. Thanks all for your contributions. Couldn't have gotten here without you all!

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/9/2014 2:01:45 AM   
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Congrats on playing through to an end.

I very much look forward to an assessment of what you would do differently if anything.



One thing I have been biting my tongue about is fog of war. Sometimes reading both sides, it was almost like you were reporting different battles entirely.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/9/2014 10:18:02 AM   
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Congrats on playing through to an end.

I very much look forward to an assessment of what you would do differently if anything.



One thing I have been biting my tongue about is fog of war. Sometimes reading both sides, it was almost like you were reporting different battles entirely.


This is one of the reasons I always try to put in an annotated set of CR. I know it's a lot some turns, and can detract from the larger picture stuff s well as the ease of reading an AAR, but from other games where I saw that difference, I always wanted to see some of the results. FOW is still in them, but at least it leaves the reader with some data to ponder rather than jus a description. It also made me pay more attention to details, which isn't my strong point!

Thanks for the note. I'll be doing some catch-up today, and trying to sort it all out. Some tracker stuff should be up soon.

We'll also re-run the last turn with BBs on flank speed to see if they get to Moppo. Could be fun to watch.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/9/2014 11:40:17 AM   
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Since I was in Jocke's AAR from the beginning, I stayed out of yours until you got near the end of '44. It was great to see what was possible as Japan, especially with your NFs. Your AAR will change the strategy of how Allied players use their B-29s and what targets to select for strategic bombing.

While players love to see the sinking of CAs and BBs, the steady loss of your DD fleet hurt you by the end. Hopefully, that will happen with Olorin (Nick) in our game (March '44).

Thanks for your efforts to provide so much insight to your play. I will try to apply the lessons learned here rather than relearn them the hard way.

KUDOS!!

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/9/2014 11:54:57 AM   
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Peekaboo!

I have just skimmed the last page. Cool to see how FOW works. That B29 raid you were fuming about low allied losses...Can´t remember the exact number but I think I did loose 22 B29s in that raid. Most of the losses were write offs after the landing! And I didn´t see 50+ NFs but rather 20 or so.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/9/2014 12:09:35 PM   
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Peekaboo!

I have just skimmed the last page. Cool to see how FOW works. That B29 raid you were fuming about low allied losses...Can´t remember the exact number but I think I did loose 22 B29s in that raid. Most of the losses were write offs after the landing! And I didn´t see 50+ NFs but rather 20 or so.


So interesting!!

Yeah, a lot of NFs downed. I still had a bunch in the pool though of the A6M and the Frances NF especially. I'll post numbers soon.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/9/2014 12:14:30 PM   
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Yeah, I have to see your plane pools. The airwar has been...depressing from the Allied POV.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/9/2014 4:50:16 PM   
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ECONOMY
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Here is a last look at the tracker economy pages. Supply is dire, but some fuel is still being used for HI in Tokyo and Osaka that has been siphoned out of other small bases that held it. It's been providing an extra 3k+ a turn lately, and helped upgrade and replenish a bunch of air groups.

Still plenty of HI left! Enough to run flat out for another year at current levels!




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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/9/2014 4:54:47 PM   
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POOLS - FIGHTER-FB-NF
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Although the recent bombing of many airframe factories lowered production dramatically, pools are enough to likely keep fighting for a few months at full strength. Quite a few Oscars left too, and I've been downgrading a few groups to use large pools.

Not many FB left at all. I would have built more, but they're only marginally effective anyway. Even the Randy hasn't been too great since arriving.

Enough NF pools to keep going for a few months, and the Frances and A6M still producing at a decent clip.




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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/9/2014 5:00:41 PM   
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POOLS - MB-LB-R
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Enough of these are around, but it's tough to use the 2E especially as the supply prohibits it in most of the bases close to the Allied forces. Most of the LB are very early models or bi-planes. Doing it again I'd build a lot more Tsurugi and Myoko for use in the training/kami groups.

Although it's late and I would allocate the resources to it that I did i the future (a 30 plane R n D factory) the Ki-95 is far and away the best recon of the war for the Japanese. A camera, 40k+ altitude and 400+ speed make it ideal to use high above CAP and still get a view of things.




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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/9/2014 5:02:03 PM   
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Quite a few left, but the Graces are always in need. The best naval strike plane of the war, period.




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