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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 2/15/2014 3:58:44 AM   
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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 2/15/2014 8:34:29 AM   
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Sitting now in the airport at Brunei. Very odd little place transitioning from the 60s into the new millenium. Amazing to think I'm sitting for a few hours in Borneo, so near these amazing jungles and wildlife here. Maybe one day I'll stop off and stay a few days.

So far I've already been on two flights. Managed to sleep and see a few films. Captain Phillips was pretty good. The Phantom wasn't so great. A bit stiff. Also finished off The East, which I'd started a few weeks ago on a flight back from Christmas in the States. Thought that was quite good.

Thought I might do an update but we'll see if this posts. The internet is not the quickest. Here we go.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 2/19/2014 4:12:27 AM   
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Well, here in OZ. About to fix the TV aerial on the roof of the family house here in Melbourne but of course a shower rolled in, one of the first in months after a strong of hot weather I hear. Feels great to have the heat broken by the winds blowing in rain across a dusty street, the sound of drops building to a crescendo on the tin roof. It's sheets now, everything soaked. Nice.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 2/19/2014 7:51:18 PM   
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9 June 1945
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Thought I might as well do the update for the 9th at last.

KOREA: The troops are just about to Gunzan, and will settle in for a long defense. Most air groups are out and back to the Home Islands. Just a good CAP left at Fusan so I can keep using the port. Got most of the air support back as well to Shimoneseki.

STRAT BOMBING: The destruction of the Shinden factory is a disappointment, but not unexpected. The Sams ask got hit, and even just a few bombs on target can destroy up to 10-15 points of the factory. So for those Allied players out there having trouble with Japanese production numbers, just get in range and start hitting the factories. It's not too tough to wipe out the Japanese economy relatively quickly, even if the cost is high in airframes. If the Allies used their 2Es on airfields now we'd be in trouble, but that hasn't happened so far.

Looks like maybe 10-12 B-29s destroyed on the day, but for around 30 NF. Not a good ratio at all. Also got to a good few A-26 even though the first ones were escorted. The Privateers take the biggest hit, with around 30-35 downed on the day. Hopefully these days will take their toll and the day bombing will have to come sporadically. I have seen a move to include the Brits and other 4Es that were recently in China at Saisho To, so hopefully that means other groups are low on planes.

HOME ISLANDS: Supply is still the issue, and it's nearly impossible to get big bases into the range to use torps, even when the HQs have plenty of them. I still don't understand that rule much. There are enough torps, but we can't use them? Hmmmm.

The CAP was hit a bit today, but over most bases is still strong. Everything to from Oita East uses mutually supporting CAP over 2-3 hexes, but for Nagasaki, Kumamoto and Kagoshima I can't do this as it'll end up getting swept around the edges no the offshore islands, piece by piece.

One Dave kami flying hit an AP at Amami-Oshima, which was fun.

CHINA: The slow fade continues here. It's all pretty meaningless in China at this point.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR June 9, 45 - NIGHT
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TF 77 encounters mine field at Shimonoseki (104,57)

Japanese Ships
AMc Ma 4

36 mines cleared

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Night Air attack on Tsu , at 110,60

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-S Irving x 12
J1N1-Sa Irving x 11
Ki-46-III KAI Dinah x 43

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 3
B-29-25 Superfort x 54
B-29B Superfort x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-S Irving: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 damaged
B-29B Superfort: 1 damaged

J7W1 Shinden factory hits 8

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-29B Superfort bombing from 8000 feet *
City Attack: 18 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Tsu , at 110,60

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-S Irving x 7
J1N1-Sa Irving x 11
Ki-46-III KAI Dinah x 32

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-S Irving: 1 destroyed
Ki-46-III KAI Dinah: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 8000 feet *
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Tsu , at 110,60

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 30 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 3
Ki-46-III KAI Dinah x 6

Allied aircraft
B-29B Superfort x 5

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-29B Superfort: 2 damaged

J7W1 Shinden factory hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-29B Superfort bombing from 8000 feet *
City Attack: 18 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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TF 77 encounters mine field at Shimonoseki (104,57)

Japanese Ships
AMc Ma 4, Mine hits 1, heavy damage

36 mines cleared

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR June 9, 45 - MORNING
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Morning Air attack on Okayama , at 108,58

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 49 NM, estimated altitude 37,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 15
A6M5b Zero x 27
A7M2 Sam x 7
J2M3 Jack x 22
N1K1 Rex x 6
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 20
Ki-100-I Tony x 53
Ki-102b Randy x 14

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 2 destroyed
A6M5b Zero: 2 destroyed
J2M3 Jack: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 2 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 2 destroyed
Ki-102b Randy: 2 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x P-47N Thunderbolt sweeping at 32000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Okayama , at 108,58

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 10
A6M5b Zero x 19
A7M2 Sam x 6
J2M3 Jack x 14
N1K1 Rex x 3
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 17
Ki-100-I Tony x 44
Ki-102b Randy x 8

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-2 Privateer x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y-2 Privateer: 4 destroyed, 12 damaged
PB4Y-2 Privateer: 1 destroyed by flak



Aircraft Attacking:
8 x PB4Y-2 Privateer bombing from 12000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Banzai! - Inokuchi V. in a Ki-43-IV Oscar rams a PB4Y-2 Privateer for the Emperor

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Morning Air attack on Okayama , at 108,58

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 8
A6M5b Zero x 17
A7M2 Sam x 4
J2M3 Jack x 9
N1K1 Rex x 3
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 12
Ki-100-I Tony x 36
Ki-102b Randy x 6

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-2 Privateer x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M3 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y-2 Privateer: 3 destroyed, 5 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x PB4Y-2 Privateer bombing from 12000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Banzai! - Gyuba U. in a Ki-43-IV Oscar rams a PB4Y-2 Privateer for the Emperor

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Morning Air attack on 108th Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 99,55 (Saishu To)

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 3
B-17E Fortress x 5
B-17F Fortress x 10
B-24D Liberator x 5
B-24D1 Liberator x 15
B-24J Liberator x 146
B-25J11 Mitchell x 5
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 9

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
908 casualties reported
Squads: 69 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 68 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 8 destroyed, 6 disabled
Guns lost 25 (18 destroyed, 7 disabled)
Seriously. Why land? Just bomb until the troops are gone and let the rowboat corps take it!

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Okayama , at 108,58

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 9 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 8
A6M5b Zero x 11
A7M2 Sam x 1
J2M3 Jack x 6
N1K1 Rex x 3
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 7
Ki-100-I Tony x 33
Ki-102b Randy x 4

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-2 Privateer x 8

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y-2 Privateer: 5 damaged

A7M2 Sam factory hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x PB4Y-2 Privateer bombing from 12000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Okayama , at 108,58

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 5
A6M5b Zero x 9
J2M3 Jack x 6
N1K1 Rex x 3
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 6
Ki-100-I Tony x 32
Ki-102b Randy x 4

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-2 Privateer x 8

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y-2 Privateer: 2 destroyed, 5 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x PB4Y-2 Privateer bombing from 12000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Okayama , at 108,58

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 4
A6M5b Zero x 6
J2M3 Jack x 5
N1K1 Rex x 2
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 3
Ki-100-I Tony x 25
Ki-102b Randy x 3

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-2 Privateer x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
A6M5b Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y-2 Privateer: 8 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x PB4Y-2 Privateer bombing from 12000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Banzai! - Hirata T. in a A6M5 Zero rams a PB4Y-2 Privateer for the Emperor

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Morning Air attack on Okayama , at 108,58

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 3
A6M5b Zero x 3
J2M3 Jack x 3
N1K1 Rex x 2
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 3
Ki-100-I Tony x 15
Ki-102b Randy x 1

Allied aircraft
A-26B Invader x 43
P-51D Mustang x 50

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5b Zero: 1 destroyed
N1K1 Rex: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 2 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
A-26B Invader: 2 destroyed, 11 damaged

A7M2 Sam factory hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x A-26B Invader bombing from 12000 feet *
City Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Kumamoto , at 102,59

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 75 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5b Zero x 8
A7M2 Sam x 3
J2M5 Jack x 25
N1K2-J George x 24
Ki-84r Frank x 13

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.VI x 46
Liberator GR.VI x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.VI: 3 destroyed, 13 damaged
Liberator B.VI: 1 destroyed by flak
Liberator GR.VI: 4 destroyed, 9 damaged


Light Industry hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Liberator B.VI bombing from 9000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Kumamoto , at 102,59

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5b Zero x 5
A7M2 Sam x 2
J2M5 Jack x 15
N1K2-J George x 10
Ki-84r Frank x 8

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.VI x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.VI: 1 destroyed, 8 damaged
Liberator B.VI: 1 destroyed by flak


Light Industry hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Liberator B.VI bombing from 9000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Kumamoto , at 102,59

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 77 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5b Zero x 2
A7M2 Sam x 1
J2M5 Jack x 8
N1K2-J George x 6
Ki-84r Frank x 7

Allied aircraft
P-38L Lightning x 10
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5b Zero: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-38L Lightning: 1 destroyed
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed


Aircraft Attacking:
5 x P-47D25 Thunderbolt sweeping at 32000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Okayama , at 108,58

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 21 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 2
A6M5b Zero x 2
J2M3 Jack x 3
N1K1 Rex x 1
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 3
Ki-100-I Tony x 10

Allied aircraft
A-26B Invader x 23
P-38L Lightning x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5b Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
A-26B Invader: 3 destroyed, 2 damaged

A7M2 Sam factory hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x A-26B Invader bombing from 12000 feet *
City Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Okayama , at 108,58

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 2
A6M5b Zero x 1
J2M3 Jack x 1
N1K1 Rex x 1
Ki-100-I Tony x 3

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 88 Glad these didn't come in first!!

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
N1K1 Rex: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x P-51D Mustang sweeping at 32000 feet
24 x P-51D Mustang sweeping at 32000 feet
19 x P-51D Mustang sweeping at 32000 feet
19 x P-51D Mustang sweeping at 32000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Okayama , at 108,58

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 40

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x P-51D Mustang sweeping at 32000 feet
20 x P-51D Mustang sweeping at 32000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Kumamoto , at 102,59

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 1
J2M5 Jack x 3
N1K2-J George x 1
Ki-84r Frank x 2

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 35

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 2 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x P-47D25 Thunderbolt sweeping at 32000 feet
11 x P-47D25 Thunderbolt sweeping at 32000 feet
6 x P-47D25 Thunderbolt sweeping at 32000 feet
6 x P-47D25 Thunderbolt sweeping at 32000 feet
2 x P-47D25 Thunderbolt sweeping at 32000 feet

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR June 9, 45 - AFTERNOON
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Amami Oshima at 98,64

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 22 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
E8N2 Dave x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
E8N2 Dave: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
AP Gen. R.L.Howze, Kamikaze hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x E8N2 Dave flying as kamikaze *
Kamikaze: 2 x 30 kg GP Bomb

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR June 9, 45 - GROUND
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Ground combat at Tsuyung (68,46)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 42705 troops, 870 guns, 538 vehicles, Assault Value = 836

Defending force 22917 troops, 307 guns, 78 vehicles, Assault Value = 506

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 0

Allied adjusted assault: 962

Japanese adjusted defense: 607

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1402 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 68 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 21 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 22 disabled
Guns lost 20 (3 destroyed, 17 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
787 casualties reported
Squads: 23 destroyed, 49 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 32 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 23 disabled


Assaulting units:
7th Indian Division
23rd Indian Division
25th Indian Division
8th New Chinese Corps
23rd AA Bde
3rd West African AA Regiment
2nd West African AA Regiment
1st Burma Auxiliary AA Regiment
56th Heavy Regiment
88th Medium Regiment
117th RAF Base Force
104th RAF Base Force
4th West African AA Regiment
2nd HK&S Heavy AA Regiment

Defending units:
104th Division
40th Division
37th Division
9th Ind.Mixed Brigade
23rd JAAF AF Bn

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 2/19/2014 8:27:35 PM   
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR June 9, 45 - AFTERNOON
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Amami Oshima at 98,64

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 22 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
E8N2 Dave x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
E8N2 Dave: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
AP Gen. R.L.Howze, Kamikaze hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x E8N2 Dave flying as kamikaze *
Kamikaze: 2 x 30 kg GP Bomb


100% success rate

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 2/19/2014 10:12:57 PM   
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This ship means business! I haven't looked recently, but I wonder what the experience levels are for the BBS and other surface ships that have been around since the beginning?


No doubt grossly overrated. IRL the performance of the IJN BBs was pretty close to abysmal in all their engagements. Not one of them had ever fired a shot in anger on 12/07/1941 and such practice engagements as any of them fought subsequently do nothing whatever to justify any especially high experience level. ISE and HYUGA both suffered significant non-combat materiel casualties in early 42. Mutsu blew up spontaneously in 43. Yamashiro and Fuso's only engagement does little to inspire anything positive. KIRISHIMA and HIEI beat a USN cruiser TF but failed to complete their mission (not mention that HIEI subsequently became "a source of infinite pride for the Emperor"). Of course the KIRISHIMA did the same a few nights later in its second engagement. And then there is the Battle off Samar" wherein 4 IJN BBs had their ultimate chance for glory and failed miserably (unless ont thinks that trading 3 of their screening cruisers for a CVE, a DE and a couple of DDs was worth it).

IRL the practice that the IJN CAs/CLs/DDs had in night combat exercises pre-war does seemingly justify a higher experience level for those IJN ship types vs corresponding American types. It should be noted however that no significant proportion of the IJN crews and captains of any type had actually "seen the elephant" when they went to war. IJN doctrine caused the IJN light ships to take a more aggressive role against the "enemy" (US) battleline in night combat as exemplified in the Solomons while US doctrine emphasized screening said battleline in those same engagements.

(The Brits and their Commonwealth Allies' ships had for the most part seen real (not exercise) combat. With England stretched thin strategically those ships had mostly "seen the elephant" in multiple ways and on multiple occasions.)

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 2/19/2014 10:19:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: spence

quote:

This ship means business! I haven't looked recently, but I wonder what the experience levels are for the BBS and other surface ships that have been around since the beginning?


No doubt grossly overrated. IRL the performance of the IJN BBs was pretty close to abysmal in all their engagements. Not one of them had ever fired a shot in anger on 12/07/1941 and such practice engagements as any of them fought subsequently do nothing whatever to justify any especially high experience level. ISE and HYUGA both suffered significant non-combat materiel casualties in early 42. Mutsu blew up spontaneously in 43. Yamashiro and Fuso's only engagement does little to inspire anything positive. KIRISHIMA and HIEI beat a USN cruiser TF but failed to complete their mission (not mention that HIEI subsequently became "a source of infinite pride for the Emperor"). Of course the KIRISHIMA did the same a few nights later in its second engagement. And then there is the Battle off Samar" wherein 4 IJN BBs had their ultimate chance for glory and failed miserably (unless ont thinks that trading 3 of their screening cruisers for a CVE, a DE and a couple of DDs was worth it).

IRL the practice that the IJN CAs/CLs/DDs had in night combat exercises pre-war does seemingly justify a higher experience level for those IJN ship types vs corresponding American types. It should be noted however that no significant proportion of the IJN crews and captains of any type had actually "seen the elephant" when they went to war. IJN doctrine caused the IJN light ships to take a more aggressive role against the "enemy" (US) battleline in night combat as exemplified in the Solomons while US doctrine emphasized screening said battleline in those same engagements.

(The Brits and their Commonwealth Allies' ships had for the most part seen real (not exercise) combat. With England stretched thin strategically those ships had mostly "seen the elephant" in multiple ways and on multiple occasions.)




It is worth noting that the IJN had been on a war-footing since 1938 with the invasion of China. While they didn't exactly see much action against the Chinese Navy, the demands of a genuine war would probably drive experince up above their peacetime USN counter-parts, and both would be outshadowed by the British and Commonwealth ships (which had seen a real war with action).

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 2/19/2014 10:59:49 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: spence

quote:

This ship means business! I haven't looked recently, but I wonder what the experience levels are for the BBS and other surface ships that have been around since the beginning?


No doubt grossly overrated. IRL the performance of the IJN BBs was pretty close to abysmal in all their engagements. Not one of them had ever fired a shot in anger on 12/07/1941 and such practice engagements as any of them fought subsequently do nothing whatever to justify any especially high experience level. ISE and HYUGA both suffered significant non-combat materiel casualties in early 42. Mutsu blew up spontaneously in 43. Yamashiro and Fuso's only engagement does little to inspire anything positive. KIRISHIMA and HIEI beat a USN cruiser TF but failed to complete their mission (not mention that HIEI subsequently became "a source of infinite pride for the Emperor"). Of course the KIRISHIMA did the same a few nights later in its second engagement. And then there is the Battle off Samar" wherein 4 IJN BBs had their ultimate chance for glory and failed miserably (unless ont thinks that trading 3 of their screening cruisers for a CVE, a DE and a couple of DDs was worth it).

IRL the practice that the IJN CAs/CLs/DDs had in night combat exercises pre-war does seemingly justify a higher experience level for those IJN ship types vs corresponding American types. It should be noted however that no significant proportion of the IJN crews and captains of any type had actually "seen the elephant" when they went to war. IJN doctrine caused the IJN light ships to take a more aggressive role against the "enemy" (US) battleline in night combat as exemplified in the Solomons while US doctrine emphasized screening said battleline in those same engagements.

(The Brits and their Commonwealth Allies' ships had for the most part seen real (not exercise) combat. With England stretched thin strategically those ships had mostly "seen the elephant" in multiple ways and on multiple occasions.)




It is worth noting that the IJN had been on a war-footing since 1938 with the invasion of China. While they didn't exactly see much action against the Chinese Navy, the demands of a genuine war would probably drive experince up above their peacetime USN counter-parts, and both would be outshadowed by the British and Commonwealth ships (which had seen a real war with action).


This, plus the older IJN crew (who would be on the BBs...) saw action against Russia in 1905. That's where Yamamoto lost his fingers. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that there were still over IJN careerists who were veterans of that battle.

Does anybody have a source for how intense IJN training was? I know how intense their pilot training was. I wouldn't be surprised if they trained up their other branches in a similar fashion.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 2/19/2014 11:12:43 PM   
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This ship means business! I haven't looked recently, but I wonder what the experience levels are for the BBS and other surface ships that have been around since the beginning?


No doubt grossly overrated. IRL the performance of the IJN BBs was pretty close to abysmal in all their engagements. Not one of them had ever fired a shot in anger on 12/07/1941 and such practice engagements as any of them fought subsequently do nothing whatever to justify any especially high experience level. ISE and HYUGA both suffered significant non-combat materiel casualties in early 42. Mutsu blew up spontaneously in 43. Yamashiro and Fuso's only engagement does little to inspire anything positive. KIRISHIMA and HIEI beat a USN cruiser TF but failed to complete their mission (not mention that HIEI subsequently became "a source of infinite pride for the Emperor"). Of course the KIRISHIMA did the same a few nights later in its second engagement. And then there is the Battle off Samar" wherein 4 IJN BBs had their ultimate chance for glory and failed miserably (unless ont thinks that trading 3 of their screening cruisers for a CVE, a DE and a couple of DDs was worth it).

IRL the practice that the IJN CAs/CLs/DDs had in night combat exercises pre-war does seemingly justify a higher experience level for those IJN ship types vs corresponding American types. It should be noted however that no significant proportion of the IJN crews and captains of any type had actually "seen the elephant" when they went to war. IJN doctrine caused the IJN light ships to take a more aggressive role against the "enemy" (US) battleline in night combat as exemplified in the Solomons while US doctrine emphasized screening said battleline in those same engagements.

(The Brits and their Commonwealth Allies' ships had for the most part seen real (not exercise) combat. With England stretched thin strategically those ships had mostly "seen the elephant" in multiple ways and on multiple occasions.)




It is worth noting that the IJN had been on a war-footing since 1938 with the invasion of China. While they didn't exactly see much action against the Chinese Navy, the demands of a genuine war would probably drive experince up above their peacetime USN counter-parts, and both would be outshadowed by the British and Commonwealth ships (which had seen a real war with action).


This, plus the older IJN crew (who would be on the BBs...) saw action against Russia in 1905. That's where Yamamoto lost his fingers. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that there were still over IJN careerists who were veterans of that battle.


To be fair, Yamamoto was in his twenties at Tsushima, and well in his fities by Pearl Harbour.

While this would be a nice age bracket for the more senior officers (in game terms, ship captains and TF commanders) it's not an ideal bracket for the ships crews themselves.

Sure, there would be some old-salts scattered amongst the IJN, but they wouldn't be as prolific as combat veterans from the RN or Commonwealth ships.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 2/19/2014 11:49:39 PM   
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This, plus the older IJN crew (who would be on the BBs...) saw action against Russia in 1905. That's where Yamamoto lost his fingers. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that there were still over IJN careerists who were veterans of that battle.


36 years is quite a reach for any but the most senior officers like Yamamoto. It is also perhaps notable that after Tsushima both naval armament and tactics had undergone a revolution with the advent of the dreadnaught type battleship Excepting the Kongo Class IJN BBs practiced daylight long range engagements a la Jutland. Such limited gunnery practice as they may have had in unfavorable weather did little to make itself apparent in their single daylight action (Samar).

(Gunnery practice was most assuredly limited too since each and every round fired through large caliber weapon changes the diameter of the bore and hence changes the ballistics of each subsequent round. Not exactly the same thing as plinking with a .22. It is expensive to change out the barrel liner of a 14/16/18" gun and it means taking the ship out of the OOB for a goodly while.)

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(Gunnery practice was most assuredly limited too since each and every round fired through large caliber weapon changes the diameter of the bore and hence changes the ballistics of each subsequent round. Not exactly the same thing as plinking with a .22. It is expensive to change out the barrel liner of a 14/16/18" gun and it means taking the ship out of the OOB for a goodly while.)


This inability to continually use these big guns day after day for months while bombarding and fighting major sea battles is not really modeled into the game. It would be really interesting if it were. It would slow the pace for both sides in naval engagements, and keep some ships heading back to the Home Islands or the West coast instead of being able to be fixed locally in many areas. That would be more fun for me, as then after some major battles you'd know certain ships might not be around for a while for either side, and would increase strategic planning to keep some big guns available in hard fought areas.

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The idea of "THE Decisive Battle" which was a feature of the thinking of the "Battleship Admirals" of all navies might then be a bit of doctrine that players would tend to think about and more importantly act on. Bombardments just for the fun of it would certainly go by the wayside.

I might add that it is curious that pilots gain skills in everything from dropping bombs to brushing their teeth but ships' crews have a universal experience level no matter what they practice, train for, engage in or survive.

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... I might add that it is curious that pilots gain skills in everything from dropping bombs to brushing their teeth but ships' crews have a universal experience level no matter what they practice, train for, engage in or survive.


Ship crew experience does go up and down depending on the activity the ship is engaged on.

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In game ship crews lose experience when they suffer casualties. I have documented this in my AAR.

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(Gunnery practice was most assuredly limited too since each and every round fired through large caliber weapon changes the diameter of the bore and hence changes the ballistics of each subsequent round. Not exactly the same thing as plinking with a .22. It is expensive to change out the barrel liner of a 14/16/18" gun and it means taking the ship out of the OOB for a goodly while.)


This inability to continually use these big guns day after day for months while bombarding and fighting major sea battles is not really modeled into the game. It would be really interesting if it were. It would slow the pace for both sides in naval engagements, and keep some ships heading back to the Home Islands or the West coast instead of being able to be fixed locally in many areas. That would be more fun for me, as then after some major battles you'd know certain ships might not be around for a while for either side, and would increase strategic planning to keep some big guns available in hard fought areas.


I whined a great deal about this in the early days of AE-just too many surface fights and bombardments in the game. But the reality is that AE players tend to love surface battles (me included) and to have the ships act historically would curtail many of those bloody night fights that we all seem to love. The other effect would to increase the importance of air power over that of surface ships which was more to the tune of historical reality as well. However, after five years I have grown to accept the trade off of more action at a cost of reality. Night naval battles are so much more fun than carrier battles.


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(Gunnery practice was most assuredly limited too since each and every round fired through large caliber weapon changes the diameter of the bore and hence changes the ballistics of each subsequent round. Not exactly the same thing as plinking with a .22. It is expensive to change out the barrel liner of a 14/16/18" gun and it means taking the ship out of the OOB for a goodly while.)


This inability to continually use these big guns day after day for months while bombarding and fighting major sea battles is not really modeled into the game. It would be really interesting if it were. It would slow the pace for both sides in naval engagements, and keep some ships heading back to the Home Islands or the West coast instead of being able to be fixed locally in many areas. That would be more fun for me, as then after some major battles you'd know certain ships might not be around for a while for either side, and would increase strategic planning to keep some big guns available in hard fought areas.


I whined a great deal about this in the early days of AE-just too many surface fights and bombardments in the game. But the reality is that AE players tend to love surface battles (me included) and to have the ships act historically would curtail many of those bloody night fights that we all seem to love. The other effect would to increase the importance of air power over that of surface ships which was more to the tune of historical reality as well. However, after five years I have grown to accept the trade off of more action at a cost of reality. Night naval battles are so much more fun than carrier battles.



I love the battles, but I think I'd love the strategy of having to be concerned with overuse of the big gun tubes as well. Anything to slow the pace is good, and since naval bombardments (equally, for both sides) are a tad too strong limiting them seems like it would be a good thing. How often do you see players for either side use naval air power to hit airfields and ports, except the occasional surprise? Yet this was the most important weapon of the war against all targets for the Allies especially.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 2/24/2014 11:40:50 AM   
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Got back from OZ yesterday after a mammoth 35 hour journey. A delay hit us in Brunei and we spent 8 extra hours there between flights. Didn't get to see much unfortunately. Home now and a bit shattered, but the war resumes with a relatively quiet turn.

KOREA: More troops heading in to Gunzan to shore the defenses up there. The Allies move to within one hex and should have their entire army in the hex in 3-4 days if they chose to.

STRAT BOMBING: Nothing today.

HOME ISLANDS: Big sweeps hit Kumamoto, but no bombers. i wonder if this was intentional or if they were rained out. The first Corsair sweep crushed the CAP, and still the small P-47 groups coming later didn't do well. On the day it looks like 40 of ours lost for 25 of theirs. Only 15 pilots KIA though, so a good day there.

Groups are still recovering all over the HI, and it will be 3-4 days before the defenses are really at their best performance.

CHINA: Changsha falls. Sucks. Without supply here it's tough to do much.

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Morning Air attack on Kumamoto , at 102,59

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 17 NM, estimated altitude 36,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5b Zero x 7
A6M8 Zero x 7
A7M2 Sam x 17
J2M5 Jack x 8
N1K2-J George x 10
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 5
Ki-84r Frank x 12
Ki-100-I Tony x 11

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 41

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5b Zero: 2 destroyed
A6M8 Zero: 3 destroyed
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 2 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x F4U-1D Corsair sweeping at 32000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Kumamoto , at 102,59

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 15 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5b Zero x 2
A6M8 Zero x 3
A7M2 Sam x 14
J2M5 Jack x 6
N1K2-J George x 6
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 1
Ki-84r Frank x 9
Ki-100-I Tony x 6

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 2 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 4 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Kumamoto , at 102,59

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 28 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 2
A7M2 Sam x 6
J2M5 Jack x 3
N1K2-J George x 4
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 1
Ki-84r Frank x 8
Ki-100-I Tony x 3

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x P-47D25 Thunderbolt sweeping at 32000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Kumamoto , at 102,59

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 48 NM, estimated altitude 37,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 1
A7M2 Sam x 3
J2M5 Jack x 1
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 1
Ki-84r Frank x 3

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x P-47D25 Thunderbolt sweeping at 32000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Saishu To , at 99,55

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
P1Y2 Frances x 35

No Japanese losses

Port hits 4
Port supply hits 1


Aircraft Attacking:
35 x P1Y2 Frances bombing from 10000 feet
Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Kumamoto , at 102,59

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 63 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Allied aircraft
F-6D Mustang x 25
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 70

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x P-47D25 Thunderbolt sweeping at 32000 feet
22 x P-47D25 Thunderbolt sweeping at 32000 feet
25 x F-6D Mustang sweeping at 32000 feet *
23 x P-47D25 Thunderbolt sweeping at 32000 feet
4 x P-47D25 Thunderbolt sweeping at 32000 feet

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Ground combat at Changsha (82,52)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 60859 troops, 1027 guns, 2246 vehicles, Assault Value = 2704

Defending force 28419 troops, 280 guns, 31 vehicles, Assault Value = 558

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 3

Allied adjusted assault: 2083

Japanese adjusted defense: 285

Allied assault odds: 7 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied forces CAPTURE Changsha !!!

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-46-III Dinah: 4 destroyed

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), disruption(-)
experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
9629 casualties reported
Squads: 254 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 465 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 70 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 127 (127 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 24 (24 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Units retreated 10

Allied ground losses:
658 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 104 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 32 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 12 disabled
Vehicles lost 33 (2 destroyed, 31 disabled)


Assaulting units:
Guides Cavalry Regiment
Provisionl Tank Brigade
50th Tank Brigade
254th Armoured Brigade
Gardner's Horse Regiment
3rd Cavalry Regiment
19th Motorised Division
6th Australian Division
18th Cavalry Regiment
17th Motorised Division
255th Indian Tank Brigade
11th PAVO Regiment
9th Australian Division
14th Army
2/9th Field Regiment
2/11th Field Regiment
2/13th Field Regiment

Defending units:
65th Brigade
63rd Division
32nd Division
5th Ind.Mixed Brigade
51st Division
58th Infantry Regiment
13th RGC Temp./B Division
35th Division
56th Const Co
8th Ind. Field Artillery Battalion
54th JAAF AF Bn

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Ground combat at Tsuyung (68,46)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 42222 troops, 870 guns, 538 vehicles, Assault Value = 792

Defending force 21839 troops, 303 guns, 78 vehicles, Assault Value = 412

Allied adjusted assault: 27

Japanese adjusted defense: 607

Allied assault odds: 1 to 22 (fort level 0)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
254 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 24 disabled

Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled

Allied ground losses:
126 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 29 disabled

Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Assaulting units:
23rd Indian Division
7th Indian Division
25th Indian Division
8th New Chinese Corps
1st Burma Auxiliary AA Regiment
3rd West African AA Regiment
2nd West African AA Regiment
104th RAF Base Force
4th West African AA Regiment
117th RAF Base Force
23rd AA Bde
88th Medium Regiment
56th Heavy Regiment
2nd HK&S Heavy AA Regiment

Defending units:
104th Division
37th Division
40th Division
9th Ind.Mixed Brigade
23rd JAAF AF Bn


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Reinforcements:

234th Shinbu-tai arrives at Osaka/Kyoto
273rd Shinbu-tai arrives at Tokyo
274th Shinbu-tai arrives at Tokyo
60th Field AA Battalion arrives at Tokyo


Losses: none.

Ships Sunk:

DMS Hopkins is reported to have been sunk near Bataan on Jan 02, 1945
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The 11th and 12th both had more action in the air, and it went very well for the IJ. On the 11th Corsairs hit Kagoshima where I'd just moved two very good Frank groups.




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It would have been a stellar day if not for the new Spits that turned up, making it in the end just a good day. These are some tough planes.




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Still, pretty good, and only 5 pilots KIA, which I'm sure is a lot less than for the Allies. These sweeping groups should be some of the best Allied pilots, so every one lost is a huge success.




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The 12th opened with some massive night strikes, hitting Nagasaki with the regular 4Es. The NF coverage was outstanding though, and flak did it's job too. NO HITS were registered on this base!!!




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The B-29Bs went for Okayama, and again the NF showed up in force, downing around 10 of them for few losses and thwarting the strike completely as well!!!




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The Privateers suffered the most. Another smaller strike of B-29-1 went for Hamamatsu, and in spite of only a handful of NF showing up here this strike also achieved zero hits.




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With daylight the big guns came out, a P-47N sweep at Matsuyama. This base had a bunch of fighter training groups, but numbers from Hiroshima and Oita also showed up, making it a bad day for the Allied pilots, especially in the first sweep.

Here 76 planes showed up for the first sweep but about half were from training groups. Still, that was enough to draw a bunch of P-47Ns low and let the good pilots dive in.

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Morning Air attack on Matsuyama , at 105,59

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 33 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5b Zero x 3
A6M8 Zero x 3
A7M2 Sam x 3
J2M5 Jack x 12
N1K2-J George x 4
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 4
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 6
Ki-83 x 5
Ki-84a Frank x 5
Ki-84r Frank x 12
Ki-100-I Tony x 15
Ki-102a Randy x 4

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5b Zero: 1 destroyed
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 2 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed
Ki-102a Randy: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 8 destroyed

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SUBS: All five of the IJN subs remaining are just about finished with repairs. The ASW planes 'HIT' about 3-4 Allied subs a day, so some of those are likely getting actual hits.

KOREA: We should have around 6k AV at Gunzan by tomorrow, some of it just coming out of strat mode. I'll have to take whatever 4E hit comes, as I won't commit fighters here right now. Industry is more important. There is a good amount of AA in the hex, so hopefully that will help. Supply is dire, though, so fingers crossed.

More air support troops are heading across the Tsushima straits and shoring up areas in the HI.

STRAT BOMBING: The strikes on the 12th get exactly zero hits on industry over three targets. The NF are surely a factor, but also the Allied strikes came in higher, at either 12k or 15k, so were likely not as effective for that reason as well. I foresee the next strike will be big, and will be in daylight. It will hit something, so I have to be vigilant in the guessing game, and keep getting the fighters in shape. Some upgrades to Jacks and Franks are keeping 300-400 planes out of the fight for the next 3-4 turns.

HOME ISLANDS: I realized this turn that there is still a lot of fuel scattered around the HI in small ports. I'll try to move that into Tokyo and Osaka by ship to get the HI producing for a week or so. It simply won't move by land which sucks, even from ports with no ships based there and no HI to use it.

The KB will be ready to go in 2-3 days with 5 CVs, and another 2 Unryus will finish needed repairs and join if still viable in 15-20 days. The Taiho and Kaga will take at least 30-35 days to be available in a damaged state, with some flood damage.

RECON: I see eyes looking at the remaining Ki-83 factories in Toyama. Franks and Jacks on watch there, but if he goes big it won't matter.

CHINA: Just waiting here. No movements or actions by the IJA.

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Morning Air attack on Kagoshima , at 102,60

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 22 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84r Frank x 78

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 5 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x F4U-1D Corsair sweeping at 32000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Kagoshima , at 102,60

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 14 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84r Frank x 68

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 36

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x F4U-1D Corsair sweeping at 32000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Kagoshima , at 102,60

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 19 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84r Frank x 64

Allied aircraft
Spitfire F.XIV x 31

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire F.XIV: 1 destroyed


Aircraft Attacking:
21 x Spitfire F.XIV sweeping at 31000 feet *

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Night Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 28
P1Y2-S Frances x 13

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-2 Privateer x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y-2 Privateer: 1 destroyed
PB4Y-2 Privateer: 1 destroyed by flak


Aircraft Attacking:
1 x PB4Y-2 Privateer bombing from 12000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 67 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 26
P1Y2-S Frances x 9

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.VI x 7
Liberator GR.VI x 3
B-24D Liberator x 2
B-24D1 Liberator x 2
B-24J Liberator x 33
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator GR.VI: 2 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 3 damaged


Aircraft Attacking:
6 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 12000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Okayama , at 108,58

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5d-S Zero x 2
J1N1-S Irving x 13
J1N1-Sa Irving x 21
Ki-46-III KAI Dinah x 24

Allied aircraft
B-29B Superfort x 21

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-29B Superfort: 3 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-29B Superfort bombing from 12000 feet *
City Attack: 18 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Hamamatsu , at 111,61

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 46 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-46-III KAI Dinah x 3

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 21

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 15000 feet *
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Matsuyama , at 105,59

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 33 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5b Zero x 3
A6M8 Zero x 3
A7M2 Sam x 3
J2M5 Jack x 12
N1K2-J George x 4
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 4
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 6
Ki-83 x 5
Ki-84a Frank x 5
Ki-84r Frank x 12
Ki-100-I Tony x 15
Ki-102a Randy x 4

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5b Zero: 1 destroyed
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 2 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed
Ki-102a Randy: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 8 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Matsuyama , at 105,59

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 36,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 1
A7M2 Sam x 3
J2M5 Jack x 7
N1K2-J George x 2
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 2
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 2
Ki-83 x 5
Ki-84a Frank x 3
Ki-84r Frank x 10
Ki-100-I Tony x 9
Ki-102a Randy x 2

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 2 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 3 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 2 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x P-47N Thunderbolt sweeping at 32000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Matsuyama , at 105,59

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 24 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 1
J2M5 Jack x 3
Ki-83 x 4
Ki-84a Frank x 2
Ki-84r Frank x 2
Ki-100-I Tony x 3
Ki-102a Randy x 2

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-83: 2 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 2 destroyed
Ki-102a Randy: 1 destroyed


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x P-47N Thunderbolt sweeping at 32000 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on Iki-shima , at 102,57

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 43 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 18

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x P-51D Mustang sweeping at 32000 feet

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Reinforcements:

352nd Shinbu-tai arrives at Iwaki
57th Shinbu-tai arrives at Nagaoka
275th Shinbu-tai arrives at Tokyo
276th Shinbu-tai arrives at Tokyo
13th Ind.Hvy.Art. Regiment arrives at Singapore
277th Shinbu-tai arrives at Tokyo
278th Shinbu-tai arrives at Tokyo


Losses: none.

Ships Sunk:

Previous report of sinking of SS Tigrante incorrect. Intelligence reports ship is still in service
DD Hank is reported to have been sunk near Tokara Retto on Apr 16, 1945

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KOREA: The Allies arrived more quickly than I'd anticipated. All of our major troops arrived as well, which is fortunate. This is another massive Allied army of 5700 AV with a ton of tanks. Good thing we brought the kitchen sink, but at this point with low supply I'm not sure we'll hold. Some arty is still on the way, and I have two more divisions moving just in case. The Allies bombarded and did a bit of damage, but our counter fire also did some damage to vehicles and guns.

Tomorrow I anticipate the 4E strike will be massive. Hopefully it'll be rained out, but if not the AA will have to deal with it as best it can. I have a few 88s with radar and a bunch of 75s in the hex. Plus some DP guns that should give a good account of themselves. In the clear though ...

... below see some results that show what happens to ground units in the clear late in game.

CHINA: The 500+ 2E bombers hit Nanchang today. Unbelievable results. The two units there, a naval guard and a small Chinese garrison unit, were nearly completely obliterated in one turn with 4 forts in the base.

It's pretty funny. It's like the game represents them as standing in a small tight pack in the middle of a field the Allies just happen to be really targeted on, and they are all pummeled into oblivion. I guess only DBB limiting bomb device strength will deal with this at least a little. It's another of those things, though that I'll make a personal note not to do when I play the Allied side. Even in a no HR game I'll restrict myself from things that just don't feel right, and this is certainly one.

Again though, in a larger strategic sense of this game, I'm glad these guys are still pounding over China. This is where I want them, as hard as it is to watch.

STRAT BOMBING: No strikes today.

HOME ISLANDS: Fuel is moving now to Tokyo and Osaka. Hopefully the extra hit can get a few bases out of the red an yellow and prepare for the last push to the finish line.

The Allies continued sweeps over the HI and results were astounding today. The Mustangs came in first and they didn't do well. The smaller groups hit around 100 good Japanese fighters, and I changed my layering a bit to get more diving planes and it worked like a charm. The Allied fighters dove into the strong Frank group at 25k and the tough Ki-100 group at 20k, and both ended up with good kill numbers, but the winners were of course the elite group set to 32k that dove right after them. A few P-47N groups arrived later and got some kills back, but still lost a few of their number, meaning good pilots. It was fun to watch in the replays, and even though we got slightly better than 1:1 the real 'win' on days like this is downing Allied pilots. We lost only 10 KIA with 15 WIA. Most of those were rookies. The ends of groups now have a few too many 45-50 exp pilots recently trained.

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Morning Air attack on 23rd RGC Temp. Division, at 85,54 (Nanchang)

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
A-26B Invader x 40
B-25D1 Mitchell x 18
B-25H Mitchell x 38
B-25J1 Mitchell x 8
B-25J11 Mitchell x 20
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 12
PBJ-1H Mitchell x 11

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
808 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 54 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 63 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 10 (2 destroyed, 8 disabled)


Aircraft Attacking:
12 x PBJ-1D Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 23rd RGC Temp. Division, at 85,54 (Nanchang)

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 27
B-25G Mitchell x 12
B-25J1 Mitchell x 24
B-25J11 Mitchell x 70
PBJ-1J Mitchell x 12

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
336 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 18 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 38 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Aircraft Attacking:
12 x PBJ-1J Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet *
Ground Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Kagoshima , at 102,60

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 35 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 3
Ki-84r Frank x 55
Ki-100-I Tony x 39

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-51D Mustang: 10 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on Kagoshima , at 102,60

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 36,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 3
Ki-84r Frank x 48
Ki-100-I Tony x 35

Allied aircraft
F-6D Mustang x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 4 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F-6D Mustang: 7 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x F-6D Mustang sweeping at 32000 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on Kagoshima , at 102,60

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 19 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 2
Ki-84r Frank x 35
Ki-100-I Tony x 32

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 25

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-51D Mustang: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x P-51D Mustang sweeping at 32000 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on Kagoshima , at 102,60

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 44 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 1
Ki-84r Frank x 32
Ki-100-I Tony x 30

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 25

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-51D Mustang: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x P-51D Mustang sweeping at 32000 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on Kagoshima , at 102,60

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 48 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84r Frank x 23
Ki-100-I Tony x 24

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 2 destroyed


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x P-47N Thunderbolt sweeping at 32000 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on Kagoshima , at 102,60

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 33 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84r Frank x 15
Ki-100-I Tony x 16

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 2 destroyed


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x P-47N Thunderbolt sweeping at 32000 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on Kagoshima , at 102,60

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 74 NM, estimated altitude 36,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 20 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84r Frank x 10
Ki-100-I Tony x 5

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x P-47D25 Thunderbolt sweeping at 32000 feet

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Ground combat at Gunzan (102,52)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1080 troops, 75 guns, 101 vehicles, Assault Value = 5706

Defending force 178449 troops, 2259 guns, 1008 vehicles, Assault Value = 6709

Japanese ground losses:
155 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 2 disabled

Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 2 disabled

Allied ground losses:
Guns lost 19 (2 destroyed, 17 disabled)
Vehicles lost 27 (3 destroyed, 24 disabled)


Assaulting units:
716th Tank Battalion
32nd Infantry Division
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
CenPac Amphib Tank Brigade
96th Infantry Division
1st Cavalry (Spec) Cavalry Division
632nd Tank Destroyer Battalion
710th Tank Battalion
640th Tank Destroyer Battalion
194th Tank Battalion
637th Tank Destroyer Battalion
713th Flame Tank Battalion
38th Infantry Division
670th Tank Destroyer Battalion
1st USMC Tank Battalion
4th USMC Tank Battalion
706th Tank Battalion
98th Infantry Division
77th Infantry Division
1st Marine Division
193rd Tank Battalion
711th Tank Battalion
4th Marine Division
767th Tank Battalion
671th Tank Destroyer Battalion
192nd Tank Battalion
31st Infantry Division
766th Tank Battalion
762nd Tank Battalion
5th Marine Division
3rd NZ Armoured Sqn
1st Medium Regiment
XI US Corps
15th NZ AA Bde
33rd Medium Regiment

Defending units:
43rd Engineer Regiment
1st Tank Division
128th Division
8th Garrison Unit
10th Division
14th Ind.Infantry Brigade
6th Division
56th Division
83rd Ind.Mixed Brigade
98th Ind.Mixed Brigade
41st Infantry Regiment
24th Division
89th Division
49th Engineer Regiment
14th Garrison Unit
125th Division
4th Division
91st Infantry Regiment
124th Division
23rd Division
9th Division
70th Infantry Brigade
30th Engineer Regiment
29th Division
25th Division
2nd Tank Division
Kwantung Army
17th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
3rd Special Base Force
7th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
20th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
7th Medium Mortar Battalion
8th RF Gun Battalion
45th Ind. AA Battalion
8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
73rd Field AA Battalion
Botanko Hvy Gun Regiment
8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
46th Air Defense AA Battalion
3rd Rocket Gun Battalion
81st Field AA Battalion
12th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
11th RF Gun Battalion
11th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
94th Field AA Battalion
2nd RF Gun Battalion
3rd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
13th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
10th RF Gun Battalion
55th Field AA Battalion
22nd Ind. AA Battalion
10th Mortar AT Gun Regiment
42nd JNAF AF Unit


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Reinforcements:

SC Ch 57 arrives at Hakodate
721 Ku S-1 arrives at Tokyo
289th Shinbu-tai arrives at Tokyo
290th Shinbu-tai arrives at Tokyo
30th Mortar Battalion arrives at Keijo
31st Mortar Battalion arrives at Keijo


Losses: none.

Ships Sunk:

Previous report of sinking of DD Sproston incorrect. Intelligence reports ship is still in service
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Can't get any pilots above 12 kills, but A LOT are getting into golden 80 exp range. After this turn the Ki-100 group at Kagoshima has 5 new golden boys after this turn!
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Here is the shot of the troops at Nanyang after the turn!




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I always hated the fact that the AI will try to put 1000 fuel per port size. Playing Japan, you need every precious drop.

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I always hated the fact that the AI will try to put 1000 fuel per port size. Playing Japan, you need every precious drop.


Yep! I'm going to try to turn on stockpiling to Tokyo and have ships bring it there, get maybe another 2-3 weeks of HI output.

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KOREA: Yeeeouch! Big bombardment here and it's not looking good! Supply is a big issue and finally the Allied quality is showing in big ways. No 4E bombing which was a surprise, but it was heavy clouds. Tomorrow it will likely come after many sweeps. Feel like this will turn out badly.

STRAT BOMBING: Nothing.

HOME ISLANDS: Transport and tankers are moving fuel around and the first will land at Osaka tomorrow. Hopefully it will stay there and run the HI for a week or so. Tokyo should get a shot in 3-4 days.

CHINA: The Allied tanks make Nanyang and will take the base from the remnants of the two units there next turn. I'm shifting troops to the road from there to Shanghai in the hope of getting into the +3 terrain for a short stand.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR June 14, 45
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Morning Air attack on 23rd RGC Temp. Division, at 85,54 (Nanchang)

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 4
B-25G Mitchell x 12
B-25H Mitchell x 8
B-25J1 Mitchell x 44
B-25J11 Mitchell x 43
PBJ-1J Mitchell x 3

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
297 casualties reported
Squads: 23 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 4 disabled

Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 3 (2 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x PBJ-1J Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet *
Ground Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at Gunzan (102,52)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 120386 troops, 2054 guns, 3726 vehicles, Assault Value = 5708

Defending force 188464 troops, 2343 guns, 1008 vehicles, Assault Value = 7058

Japanese ground losses:
2287 casualties reported
Squads: 32 destroyed, 70 disabled

Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 10 destroyed, 32 disabled
Guns lost 20 (6 destroyed, 14 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
227 casualties reported
Squads: 11 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 16 (4 destroyed, 12 disabled)
Vehicles lost 31 (15 destroyed, 16 disabled)


Assaulting units:
193rd Tank Battalion
4th Marine Division
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
CenPac Amphib Tank Brigade
98th Infantry Division
32nd Infantry Division
194th Tank Battalion
762nd Tank Battalion
1st Marine Division
670th Tank Destroyer Battalion
632nd Tank Destroyer Battalion
767th Tank Battalion
710th Tank Battalion
31st Infantry Division
38th Infantry Division
711th Tank Battalion
1st Cavalry (Spec) Cavalry Division
716th Tank Battalion
637th Tank Destroyer Battalion
77th Infantry Division
96th Infantry Division
5th Marine Division
1st USMC Tank Battalion
4th USMC Tank Battalion
671th Tank Destroyer Battalion
706th Tank Battalion
713th Flame Tank Battalion
640th Tank Destroyer Battalion
192nd Tank Battalion
766th Tank Battalion
3rd NZ Armoured Sqn
XI US Corps
15th NZ AA Bde
1st Medium Regiment
33rd Medium Regiment

Defending units:
124th Division
49th Engineer Regiment
8th Garrison Unit
1st Tank Division
6th Division
56th Division
43rd Engineer Regiment
70th Infantry Brigade
89th Division
98th Ind.Mixed Brigade
25th Division
125th Division
29th Division
119th Division
14th Ind.Infantry Brigade
10th Division
4th Division
128th Division
24th Division
14th Garrison Unit
41st Infantry Regiment
23rd Division
30th Engineer Regiment
9th Division
91st Infantry Regiment
83rd Ind.Mixed Brigade
2nd Tank Division
45th Ind. AA Battalion
12th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
7th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
3rd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
7th Medium Mortar Battalion
10th RF Gun Battalion
Botanko Hvy Gun Regiment
17th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
3rd Special Base Force
46th Air Defense AA Battalion
3rd Rocket Gun Battalion
Kwantung Army
22nd Ind. AA Battalion
94th Field AA Battalion
55th Field AA Battalion
10th Mortar AT Gun Regiment
13th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
2nd RF Gun Battalion
81st Field AA Battalion
73rd Field AA Battalion
20th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
8th RF Gun Battalion
8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
11th RF Gun Battalion
11th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
42nd JNAF AF Unit
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Reinforcements:

183rd Shinbu-tai arrives at Matsuyama
184th Shinbu-tai arrives at Matsuyama
DD Yaezakura arrives at Yokohama/Yokosuka
E No.80 arrives at Tokyo
E No.89 arrives at Tokyo
E No.223 arrives at Tokyo
E No.227 arrives at Tokyo


Losses:



Ships Sunk:

SS Scamp is reported to have been sunk near Samah on Jan 09, 1945
LST-469 is reported to have been sunk near Palembang on May 13, 1945
xAK Trevince is reported to have been sunk near Tavoy on Oct 09, 1944
Previous report of sinking of SS Piranha incorrect. Intelligence reports ship is still in service
Previous report of sinking of SS Sea Owl incorrect. Intelligence reports ship is still in service

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I wonder how many of these guys made it to Korea a few years early? Tomorrow could be bad.
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