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Eastern Europe in Flames - GC 41-45 1.05 Beta - sj80 (A... - 11/15/2011 11:56:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is my second game against a human opponent. Bigbaba is a very experienced WITE player which has played much more multiplayer games. The game has processed to turn 11 now and I will soon add more turns to the AAR. But I will stay 2-3 turns behind because bigbaba will read (and hopefully comment) this thread.

His major targets in 1941 are evacuating all industry and saving the Red Army. So it is hard for me to inflict heavy losses to the Red Army. In the areas where he is expecting the major german assaults he is concentrating his forces. Unimportend areas are complete empty with no defending units. His concentrated defense strategy offers some nice flanking opportunities for my Panzer Corps and is making the game very interesting.

The first 3 turns were almost standard. Here is an overview of the end of Axis turn 4.




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RE: Eastern Europe in Flames - GC 41-45 1.05 Beta - sj8... - 11/15/2011 3:43:13 PM   
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RE: Eastern Europe in Flames - GC 41-45 1.05 Beta - sj8... - 11/15/2011 4:33:08 PM   
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RE: Eastern Europe in Flames - GC 41-45 1.05 Beta - sj8... - 11/16/2011 1:47:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the responses. Here is the update for turn 5. German advance at all fronts but I failed to create a large pocket around Smolensk.




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RE: Eastern Europe in Flames - GC 41-45 1.05 Beta - sj8... - 11/25/2011 4:47:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		After one week of vacation here is the next update.




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RE: Eastern Europe in Flames - GC 41-45 1.05 Beta - sj8... - 11/25/2011 8:20:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Update for Axis turn 7. Heavy fighting all over the front line.




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RE: Eastern Europe in Flames - GC 41-45 1.05 Beta - sj8... - 11/26/2011 8:40:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 8 was the most successful German turn, more than 35 Sovjet units could be encircled.




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RE: Eastern Europe in Flames - GC 41-45 1.05 Beta - sj8... - 11/26/2011 9:03:40 PM   
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Status: online 		hi all,

i am sj80´s opponent and we are in turn 15 now. very intense game with a great axis opponent.

dont want to be a spoiler but the situation around leningrad and moscow is very bad for russians in turn 15.

my loses on the other hand are around 2.7 mio. and a lot of factories (tank and most armament) was evacuated. sj got however around 50-55 ARM so far.

i bag for mud and then the blizzard to do some payback to this nasty german opponent.:)

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RE: Eastern Europe in Flames - GC 41-45 1.05 Beta - sj8... - 11/27/2011 12:43:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi bigbaba,

thanks for your comments. I really enjoy this game too. I think we both are playing on the same level and the game is very challenging for me as Axis.

Here is the update for Axis turn 9.




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RE: Eastern Europe in Flames - GC 41-45 1.05 Beta - sj8... - 11/27/2011 5:32:29 PM   
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RE: Eastern Europe in Flames - GC 41-45 1.05 Beta - sj8... - 11/27/2011 7:13:26 PM   
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< Message edited by Pelton -- 11/27/2011 7:23:00 PM >

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RE: Eastern Europe in Flames - GC 41-45 1.05 Beta - sj8... - 11/27/2011 7:48:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		@Vorsteher: Schade, dass der Sowjet AAR nicht fortgesetzt wird. Danke für dein Interesse, es wird langsam spannend für Moskau.

@Pelton: Regarding to the discussion about 1.05 is a "wet dream for Axis player". My opinion is that the game is now very good balanced in 1941 for Leningrad and Moscow.
I think the Wehrmacht could have captured Leningrad in 1941, but this was the plan of OKW. The plan was to encircle Leningrad and starve out most inhabitants. It was planned to establish Russia as "Kornkammer" (granary) of the Reich. The German plan was simple and deadly ... starve 1/3 of Sovjet population to ensure that more corn can be delivered into the Reich.
The capture of Moscow in WITE depends mainly on how fast the Axis player can cross the northern Dnepr and capture Smolensk. If you are fast and you have the support of 4. PzGroup then Moscow is in real danger. Attacking and defending Moscow are now both challenging, this is pretty good I think.

Here is the update for turn 10.




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RE: Eastern Europe in Flames - GC 41-45 1.05 Beta - sj8... - 11/28/2011 5:08:20 PM   
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@Vorsteher: Schade, dass der Sowjet AAR nicht fortgesetzt wird. Danke für dein Interesse, es wird langsam spannend für Moskau.



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ORIGINAL: sj80

@Vorsteher: Schade, dass der Sowjet AAR nicht fortgesetzt wird. Danke für dein Interesse, es wird langsam spannend für Moskau.



Nee, ein anderer läuft hier weiter : http://si-games.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22971&page=1


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RE: Eastern Europe in Flames - GC 41-45 1.05 Beta - sj8... - 11/29/2011 9:18:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		@Vorsteher: Ich werde den AAR Thread verfolgen.

Here is the update for German Turn 11 (only some noted because the turn was not so much interesting) and German Turn 12. The Axis side started the battle of Moscow this week.




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RE: Eastern Europe in Flames - GC 41-45 1.05 Beta - sj8... - 11/29/2011 5:56:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Soviet lsses are not low -almost 200K per turn which is an excellent result. In addition he's lost L+M manpower factories which will hurt him.

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RE: Eastern Europe in Flames - GC 41-45 1.05 Beta - sj8... - 11/30/2011 6:46:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		@Sillyflower: I hope that the lost of so many manpower centers will hurt him in the long way very much. I can only "pray" that his strategy with saving red army but losing manpower centers is the wrong way in 1941.

Here is a short update for turn 13 in Moscow area.




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RE: Eastern Europe in Flames - GC 41-45 1.05 Beta - sj8... - 12/2/2011 9:56:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 14 update as complete map from north to south. Don't hesitate, feel free and comment.




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RE: Eastern Europe in Flames - GC 41-45 1.05 Beta - sj8... - 12/2/2011 10:45:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		What is your armament totals?

You hit him very hard in manpower.

His loses are so so but with the lose of Moscow and his airplane factorys he is hurting badly.

As long as you have a good blizzard you should be able to finish him of basicly in 42 and have another offensive summer in 43.

Very good job and he had a few major screw ups of which you made him pay.

Pelton

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RE: Eastern Europe in Flames - GC 41-45 1.05 Beta - sj8... - 12/2/2011 12:04:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		@Pelton: Thanks for your comments. I've noticed the following List of destroyed Armament Industry while capturing the cities:

*3 Arm Krivo Rog
*3 Arm Kramastrokaya
*3 Arm Mogilev
*4 Arm Minsk
*3 Arm Kalinin
*2 Arm Taganrog
*6 Arm Moscow
*18 Arm Stalino
*15 Arm Kharkov
*2 Arm Kerch
*3 Arm Rostov

*0-4 Arm Kremenchug ?
*3-5 Arm Bryansk + neighbor town ?

So I should have destroyed around 65 up to 71 Arm Industry points in 1941. But maybe Bigbabba can specify the number more excatly.
@Bigbabba: Is my calculation right?

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RE: Eastern Europe in Flames - GC 41-45 1.05 Beta - sj8... - 12/2/2011 8:25:39 PM   
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Status: online 		i am down to 305 operating armament centers. some get repaird but it takes time.

good thing is that the tank production is excelent. 100 T- 34 and 54 KV 1 are on their way to the front each turn.

3 turns more and the russian bear will unleash its power.:)




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RE: Eastern Europe in Flames - GC 41-45 1.05 Beta - sj8... - 12/2/2011 9:00:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		65 which is a good number.

Looks like in other games come March 42

Armament pts destoryed
35ish = 300,000 - 400,000 in pool
50ish = 200,000ish in pool
70+ = 100,000 in pool

The hurt comes for Russian during summer 42 if you do good and then again when he starts the steam roller.

I think 50 which is basicly historical will not hurt much if any. 60+ will help the german down road.

Now manpower is the bottleneck coupled with a good 42.

You have taken Leningrad and Moscow, plus a good number of armaments so unless you really screw up during blizzard you have the upper hand come 42.

Put in a nice 42 summer and your in the drivers set with it being your game to lose at that point.

Nice job so far.

The pressure is now on your enemy to score some pts during blizzard.

Pelton

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RE: Eastern Europe in Flames - GC 41-45 1.05 Beta - sj8... - 12/6/2011 10:08:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		The game is progressing very fast. Here is the next update.
Turn 17 - the last summer turn in 1941.




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Mud and Snow Turns - 12/7/2011 9:17:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Almost no action during mud turns. Unfortunatly some divs around Rostov were out of supply including one PzCorps. I dropped supply by air, it seems they lost no morale.

Action returned on Snow turns, Germany has launched "Unternehmen Wintergewitter".




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RE: Mud and Snow Turns - 12/7/2011 9:00:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Really excellent and surprising as well. Keep up the good work!

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Blizzard preparations - 12/7/2011 9:05:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		We played the last days 3 turns the day ... which is definitely too much, but game is progressing very fast.

Here is the information about Axis blizzard preparations and planned actions. Feel free to comment.




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Wehrmacht statistics - 12/8/2011 8:39:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		@AZ Gung Ho: Thanks for your comment. Of course I will continue with updating the AAR.




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RE: Wehrmacht statistics - 12/8/2011 6:54:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		SJ, have you faced the new 1.05 blizzard yet?  IMO you probably could put your armor forces away for the winter, its kinda weak now.  That being said you'll probably need them on the front 

But I doubt he'll be able to reach your third defensive line if you use a semi-elastic defense.  I use one on Red, granted it was limited by HR's , but his main thrust was only able to get to a max of 10 hexes.  The only down side was I had most of my divisions at 40-50% TOE.  I was able to rebuild 2 Armies and have all my panzer forces fresh for my spring/summer offensive.

Still, I'm interested to see the results of your defense, may you keep your forces intact!

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RE: Wehrmacht statistics - 12/8/2011 8:56:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey CarnageINC, keeping my forces intact is one of my primary targets. I can abandon so much empty territory to minimize Sovjet attacks in the first weeks. But at Moscow Germany will stand and fight.
At beginning of blizzard I was very afraid about Sovjet strength. Bigbaba has a strong Red Army and he knows how to handle the refit mechanism to build his attack armies.
We have no house rules regarding to blizzard.
Here is the update for turn 27 (third blizzard turn) ... everything goes as planned so far.




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Moscow situation - 12/11/2011 7:09:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here is the next update for Turn 28 (last turn in 1941). The most interesting area is Moscow because the OKH ordered to defend Moscow at all costs and the Sovjets are pressing hard to capture Moscow. At Moscow the main body of the Wehrmacht is located to fulfill the defense order.
All Moscow front line hex fields are at least double stacked. Both Mountain divs are splitted. I'm using the Panzer and Mot divs in the Moscow frontline, this will help to stabilize it but inflicts heavy morale losses becaue not all units can be placed in level 2+ towns. Counter attacks are not possible against 3-stack Sovjet divs in rough terrain. The Sovjet Army seems to be having real problems to break the strong German defense lines in rough terrain.

In all other areas the Axis forces are following the plan ... retreat in the area from Tulo down to Kharkov and defend Stalino.




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RE: Moscow situation - 12/11/2011 8:45:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		you should be able to hold moscow no problem through blizzard at the cost of some casualties, well worth it i think considering the terrain is good defensive ground and taking it back is not easy,, the terrain in the south howver is good to surrender becaseu its ideal for counter attacking next season, GL

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