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RE: Turn 7 - 11/27/2011 8:49:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Rest of the lines are not that nice... Smolensk encirclement held:





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RE: Turn 7 - 11/27/2011 8:56:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		The only bright thing in the south is that next turn (fingers crossed) I should evacuate the rest of the troops from the marshes... I could not do anything with the encirclement, so I decided not to commit troops... Hope Dnepr will hold for few turns, though most armaments from the region are already evacuated...




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Turn 8 - 12/1/2011 7:37:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		I forgot to take screens at the end of the turn, so I only have the initial position... Some comments added though...

In the north, I decided to stop the advance to the east, so I put a strong defensive stacks there, hoping for difficulties with freeing the tank... West of Leningrad, just moved to the Luga line...




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RE: Turn 8 - 12/1/2011 7:40:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Around Smolensk, I pulled a bit... And reinforced defences to the south...

Again, situation before any of my moves below:




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RE: Turn 8 - 12/1/2011 7:45:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		And in the south I managed to evacuate almost all units from the marshes... will pull back from Kiev area in next 2 turns...

Again, situation before any of my moves below...

Next week, already known as a prelude to grand mistake of '41 summer will come shortly...




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Turn 9: Prelude to disaster - 12/3/2011 5:53:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Before opening the turn, I got a message directly from OKH: I'm sorry but Kharkov is taken... And indeed it was... Alongside with the factory of T34; Armaments were evacuated beforehand...

The final battle was a bit unlucky, but probably guys just did not have enough ammo with them... The attack was very brave though.

The situation before any of my moves below:




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RE: Turn 9: Prelude to disaster - 12/3/2011 7:24:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		So, what were your moves?

Well, I wanted to make sure that tanks around Kharkov will not move too far, so I chocked the supply... And I started evacuating the Kiev salient; I could not evacuate it fully as the units on the other side of the river got stuck...

Besides, I evacuated Leningrad KV (just 1 tank) and some armaments in Stalino and Leningrad.

Concerns?

Attack on Stalino seems inevitable. OKH must get some ARM points or they are going to have troubles...

Any other issues?

Just want to stall the advance towards Moscow as much as possible, giving away ground slowly. And defend Leningrad as long as possible...

Situation after my moves, with some additional comments, below:




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Turn 10: 21st of August '41 - 12/4/2011 1:19:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Stavka meeting this particular August evening will be long remember.

Two front commanders could not attend as they were encircled east of Kiev, alongside with maybe 700000 troops

Than Zhukov... When asked about the situation, he explained:

General_Mayor Georgy Zakharov just told me that those tanks were too quick. Too quick to shot at. They just went past through his forces, guys could not do anything... Just too quick...

And finally Timoshenko (Northwest Front) said that his forces tactically withdrew a little bit , but losses are manageable...

Which was countered by Markian Popov from Northern front, saying that all the rail supplies to Leningrad has been cut and they have to rely on trucks... which we do not have in excess and which cannot supply the whole front... He summed that chances of holding Leningrad for longer than few turns may be not that high.

It was a very remarkable meeting indeed...

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RE: Turn 10: 21st of August '41 - 12/4/2011 2:06:40 AM   
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RE: Turn 10: 21st of August '41 - 12/4/2011 5:43:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		North... I just isolated the tanks and consolidated defense... One thing is sure, I cannot afford to have another front surrounded...




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RE: Turn 10: 21st of August '41 - 12/4/2011 5:46:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		In Moscow, not much could have been done, but one motorised infantry got isolated:




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RE: Turn 10: 21st of August '41 - 12/4/2011 5:51:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think he just lost a Panzer division up north.

He is all in on that big right hook by Leningrad. If you stop that hes in trouble.

You need to brake open that huge pocket in center and just run back, delay as best you can.

If you stop the right hook and brake pocket open Mikes in trouble and might not take Leningrad or Moscow.

Game is very much on a knifes edge.

Good luck.

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RE: Turn 10: 21st of August '41 - 12/4/2011 5:57:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		And in the south... well, bad reckon for me - the southern edge was held by Romanian troops, I probably could cut him off there... Still, some parts of the ring won't get any supplies...




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RE: Turn 10: 21st of August '41 - 12/4/2011 6:11:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Pelton

I think he just lost a Panzer division up north.

He is all in on that big right hook by Leningrad. If you stop that hes in trouble.

You need to brake open that huge pocket in center and just run back, delay as best you can.

If you stop the right hook and brake pocket open Mikes in trouble and might not take Leningrad or Moscow.

Game is very much on a knifes edge.

Good luck.

Pelton



Never, never underestimate Mike ;)

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RE: Turn 10: 21st of August '41 - 12/4/2011 6:18:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Before last turn you had the upper hand and was doing better then normal from north to south.

Turns 1-7 are the flashy turns, but the money turns are from 10-13.

Pelton

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Turn 11: 28th Aug '41 - 12/8/2011 10:42:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		As it was, Mike did manage to connect to all overextended forces...

The turn as I got it:




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RE: Turn 11: 28th Aug '41 - 12/8/2011 11:01:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Start evacuate Leningrad. The eastern way is open, but the german spearhead could close next turn.

Around Moscow start building a defensive line, and attach several construction brigade to the front HQ-s. However, you will lose the city before the mud will arrive.



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RE: Turn 11: 28th Aug '41 - 12/8/2011 11:09:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		28th of August... Very, very challenging time. The forces around Leningrad were withdrew to the city; Maybe it was mistake, but at least they will fight for the city...

The big encirclement in the south hold this time...

Moscow defended by a weak line... On the other hand I am rather happy Mike went for Kalinin instead of attacking Moscow immediately... This turn he should not have any fuel there ...

Situation after my moves below:

[sorry for white strip in the middle; I do not have any other screenshot to fix it...]




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RE: Turn 11: 28th Aug '41 - 12/8/2011 11:19:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		Callistrid, thanks for your suggestions...

Well, I moved the units around Leningrad; maybe it was just too cautious, I still don't know... As for evacuation of factories, there are 8 ARM there... and those are lost as the rail is cut ;) As for Leningrad itself, I want to fight a bit more... sure, it will fall, but every turn I hold Leningrad is the turn those infantry around is not going towards Moscow.

As for Moscow, well, line (kind of) is there. And reinforcements are coming to make a heroic defense...

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RE: Turn 11: 28th Aug '41 - 12/8/2011 11:22:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		I belive would be better to give up Leningrad when you can do that.

On south why you concentrate a big number of soviet div west from Dnepropetrovsk? They are unusefull there.

Don't concentrate 3 division on Kharkov.

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RE: Turn 11: 28th Aug '41 - 12/8/2011 11:28:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		On the german side I start move the div's to the Moscow front, and protect the line with some german regt. The future of Leningrad will be determined on the forest of east Leningrad. If the german pz could capture the Onega way he won the battle.

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RE: Turn 11: 28th Aug '41 - 12/8/2011 12:27:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for AAR. Very interesting and dramatic game. I am sure it should be long.

Regarding Kalinin - i simply forgot to move this division back at 4 squares, the initial target was to loot Kalinin and go to take briges of Lama river. They had enough movement points. Of course division commander was executed.

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RE: Turn 11: 28th Aug '41 - 12/8/2011 9:39:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Also thanks for advice Callistrid. As you may know, this AAR posted with delay of some turns, so I will not run before the locomotive as we say in Russia. Regarding AGN I just want to say that reaching Onega is a good idea but complicated and expensive to do, especially taking into consideration difficult terrain and heroic defense under command of Toidi. My basic target is just to broke railway as far from Piter as I will be able.

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Turn 12: 4th Sep '41 - 12/9/2011 7:55:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		So, the September came... The month of hope for Soviet Union, after tragic August...

The situation before my moves below:







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RE: Turn 12: 4th Sep '41 - 12/9/2011 8:23:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		In September '41 I realised that the scenario I was most worried about, which includes, but is not limited to knocking on the door in the early morning and farewell from JS may actually not happen the next day...

Anyway, Moscow defense starts shaping up, Leningrad will hold for few more turns, armies in the north will not get surrounded... only I did not manage to open the pocket. My fault, not enough bombing on the unit - I had the delusional idea of air supplying the encirclement, which was, of course not possible (the encirclement is still too large).

Nevertheless, things are looking better than even a week ago...




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RE: Turn 12: 4th Sep '41 - 12/9/2011 1:32:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Its going to be really hard for you to recover from the big pockets he got in the center.

If you lose Leningrad and Moscow I think your blizzard O will be weak which will lead to a really good summer for Mike in 42.

Good Luck.

Pelton

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RE: Turn 12: 4th Sep '41 - 12/9/2011 10:14:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		I kind of agree with you. However, on the other hand in the south there is a lot of manpower to compensate a little bit. It is turn 12 and I am still in Dnetropetrovsk & Zaporozhye... There is some manpower in Doneck and Rostov (not that much but still) to compensate a little bit. Of course, *if* I somehow manage to hold those...


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Turn 13: 9th Sep '41 - 12/10/2011 4:39:37 AM   
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Situation in Leningrad worsened a bit... Still, the attack on Pushkin was quite brave, I would say.

On the other hand, suspiciously quiet in the north of Finland... I guess Mike simply forgot to issue orders there...




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RE: Turn 13: 9th Sep '41 - 12/10/2011 4:53:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		And the general picture Stavka obtained is below...

Germans attacks were held 13 times out of 78 (15 surrenders). This is much better than before...




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RE: Turn 13: 9th Sep '41 - 12/10/2011 5:41:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Stavka decided that some faith needs to be seeded in soldiers minds after failed defense of Pushkin and spreading rumours of immense fall of Leningrad. Therefore, we counter-attacked. After multiple bombing attacks the Red Army encircled and routed enemy tank division close to Moscow!





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